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This may well go the way of wierwille's insistence that Jesus had his Bar Mitzva at the age of 12 instead of 13, despite the fact that Bar Mitzva ceremonies didn't exist in Biblical times. Though I haven't looked at this in any depth, it would initially appear that Wierwille's Sanhedrin "requirements" are along the lines of what we, today, might call an urban legend. Even if he was a member of the Sanhedren,though, it's no secret that, even today, homosexual people enter into heterosexual marriages for a variety of reasons. (Meaning he could have been married AND gay.) But, he does state that at the time of his writings he was not married. And don't forget, during that period of time, homosexuality could be punishable by death. That in itself would be good reason for Paul to live a life of conflicted allegiances.

Interesting stuff, Roy....Hope ya got your flame-proof undies on.

Yeah, that's it....must be devil spirits.

Opera Buff was assigned to the town I had just left, which had 2 rather large, established branches. In fact, he was 2 blocks away from the very house I lived in for the first 10 years of my life.

"People are noticing the junkies in the area now, but they’ve always been here." Yes, the seedy side of TWI was always there. We just couldn't see it through our idealism coated glasses......everyone needs a new prescription, eventually.

I never put anyone on ignore. If you prefer, though, I can simply not respond to your posts.

I don't know if you realize this, but you've changed the subject from the Bible contradicting itself to God contradicting Himself.

Well, then, another W.O.W. success story....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSypkn3r27o&feature=related

Yes, the product Wierwille ultimately sought to peddle was ABS.....the gift giver that keeps on giving.

Psst! Keep this under your hat. The original W.O.W. program was designed with one purpose in mind----sell PFAL. Page 2 Witnessing and Undershepherding...© 1974/The Way International 1.The basic reason we witness is to help people into the classes on Power for Abundant Living...

Here's where I think some people miss the boat. They think that if it's NOT inerrant, it must not hold anything of value. These are writings, observations, stories, parables that have been passed down for generations, hundreds of years, thousands of years. They have stood the test of time. Why? Because there are great lessons, great insights into the human condition, great wisdom regarding day to day living, contained in those pages. How unfortunate some would dismiss those lessons in toto simply because they may be shown to hold imperfections.

You are correct to point out that it didn't happen "all the time". It did, however, happen. Even one time is enough to dispel the myth that they made assignments based on "revelation". Sorry, I just can't see how, in this era of information overload, V2P2 could be oblivious to his family history.

Re: off-topic Obtuse, maybe, but not really off-topic. It's analogous. When The Rite of Spring was written, music and dance were experiencing their own period of "inerrancy" that the great masters of "times gone by" had "etched in stone", so to speak. Stravinsky thumbed his nose at all that and defied convention. His variation from musical "inerrancy" resulted in reactions that were violent and unprecedented. But, because he was willing to explore new territory, the course of musical history, as well as dance, was irreversibly changed. Re: What is "spiritual enlightenment", anyway? I don't know. Does anyone? So, suppose we take the word "spiritual" out and just talk about enlightenment in general. Enlightenment, on any subject, is not fostered by rigid adherence to an attitude of "inerrancy". Enlightenment comes with exploration, experimentation, reconsideration, expanding ones vistas of learning. Wierwille said, in PFAL, "You can never go beyond what you are taught." That's utter nonsense. If it were so, man would still be banging two rocks together and wondering what to do with the resultant sparks.

Yes. That has been documented and corroborated by eyewitnesses here on GSC.

I guess I really shouldn't laugh. It's just that it's kinda like watching a murder mystery when you already know "who done it".

Time is running out. Only a couple months left to sign up. If not now, when? If not you, who? CLICK (I wonder if they're going to throw darts at the map like they did in the original program. LOL)

I would never suggest you stop posting. I have neither the desire nor authority to do so. And, no, I'm not the discussion police. I'm not now a moderator and never have been. You've stated your position on this issue and I've stated mine. We don't agree. So what? Let's smoke a peace pipe and move on to the next discussion.

Geisha, you've had a burr under your saddle ever since the "Thus Saith Paul" thread. It's time to let it go. You say you asked a direct question, but, what you really did, in a back-handed way, was question my character and use that to devalue my position. That's an ad hominem, whether you realize it or not. I'm not offended by it. I do think, however, that you may want to recognize that you do this sort of thing quite a lot. It doesn't strengthen the position of whatever particular point you are trying to make..... I'm just sayin'.

It's irrelevant because you should judge the post on the basis of the points that were raised, not on who raised them.

Totally irrelevant. See: (RED HERRING.)....(GENETIC FALLACY)

I don't think it was intentional, Geisha, but, the arguments you presented are of the straw-man variety. (ie: No one ever said those things are NOT heinous.) Acceptance of inerrancy, though, is VERY high on the list because it opens the door for a limitless array of misrepresentation of the intended message. Some of those misrepresentations are what facilitate the sorts of behaviors you referenced.

It's Mr. Moonlight----FREE POST!

All roads eventually lead back to inerrancy, don't they?... "It all has to fit or the whole thing will fall apart."...Spend the rest of our lives trying to put square pegs in round holes...."No private interpretation"...Oh, heavens, don't you dare find any symbolism that isn't expressly stated.... Where would the fine arts be if everything always had to "fit", I wonder...."Oh, sorry, Mr. Stravinsky, we simply can not allow for this vile dissonance that defies current musical theory. It simply doesn't fit." Who wrote this fiendish Rite of Spring, What right had he to write the thing, Against our helpless ears to fling Its crash, clash, cling, clang, bing, bang, bing? And then to call it Rite of Spring, The season when on joyous wing The birds melodious carols sing And harmony's in everything! He who could write the Rite of Spring, If I be right, by right should swing! (Boston Herald, 1924) ............................................................................. Inerrancy is the scourge of spiritual enlightenment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGwDYBWEDSc