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Just a wild guess-----If it's not a contraction and it's not possessive, does it need an apostrophe? Why not "Seminars for Seniors"?

It's not my thread, but thanks. I don't remember if the Gary Allen materials were "required" or "recommended" in FLO.

Maybe he just said, "Wow! That smarts!" (With an air of gravity, of course)

Oh, I can just hear VP saying something like this.-------followed by, "You'll just have to trust me on this."

I don't know. Sounds a bit like TWI was back in the early 1970's. We met in parks, bars, basements or any other place that was available. We also met quite often spontaneously without any pre-planning.

I wouldn't even go as far as saying he was teaching "The Word". What he was "teaching" was his own private, twisted philosophy with a Biblical veneer to feign credibility..

YEAH!!!! We have a winner!! All You Need Is Love-----The Beatles

Did you notice one of the required reading books was "How to enjoy the Bible" If you've been paying attention you would have noticed that the requirements constantly changed. In fact, when I took Keys to Research live in 1974, we were told to buy "How To--"in the bookstore but to only read the parts that agreed with PFAL.---"The rest is off." I don't really care how many women he screwed Would you feel differently if your sister or mother or wife had been one of them? And it's not only the women he, himself, abused but the women who were abused by his proteges as well. or what he plagiarized. You should. It's illegal, unethical and speaks loudly about the sinister side of his character. Look closely at how, in introducing this "sermon", he leads you to assume he is the author. He could have easily given a tip-of-the-hat to Oral Roberts. no one else thought you were worth reaching. That's a mighty big presumption on your part. what are you doing now? Well, I'm NOT wasting my time building a defense for a substance abusing, sexual predator who thought he was above the laws of the land. I probably signed up 5 people for the class because of those teachings and I'm proud I did. Have you actually spent any time examining any of the discussions of the materials offered here, such as "Actual Errors in PFAL"?

There's nothing you can do that can't be done. Nothing you can sing that can't be sung. Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game. It's easy.

I don't think it's so much about doctrines (4 crucified, dechomai/lambano, etc.) as it is about the kind of crazy lifestyle we lived.

Willie said they have wings. That's good enough for me!

Actually, it changed to "G.O.D. spells Gaaawd."

Well, bless your little old beauuuuuuutiful heart!! (I get your point---totally.)

Isn't God supposed to be omnipresent? Look for him somewhere other than the Bible, someplace other than the church or books about religion. Look for him in a sunset or the changing seasons. Listen for Him in a songbird's melody or a child's laughter. Drink in the flavor of crisp autumn air or inhale the fragrance of newly mowed hay. Feel His presence in the soft texture of a newborn's skin. Look for him by yourself, independently, without someone pointing you to the place they think you might find Him. Look for Him.

Here's my theory. I think that The Way was a scam from the very beginning. Wierwille, over a period of several years, logically, systematically and methodically built an organization that was essentially an MLM hiding behind a religious facade. In my opinion, Wierwille was fully aware of the true nature of the business. But, in later years, I think he may have actually come to believe the organization was really what he had been purporting it to be. Maybe his delusions were the result of chronic alcohol abuse. Maybe he suffered from late stage syphilis. Maybe there was some pathological abnormality, such as a brain tumor, causing his irrational behavior. Or maybe something entirely different, such as mental illness, was the cause. I simply don't know. If I had allowed myself to consider these issues with a logical and independent approach, I might not have fallen into the "likemindedness" trap that was so vital to the success of The Way. Shame on me.

Gee, you don't have to call me "ignorant". Not that it bothers me all that much. I've certainly been called much worse. And now, because I asked you to show how these scriptures can be harmonized, you've decided to take your ball and go home. I'm not sure how that will solve anything but at least you'll still have your ball.

Dare To Discipline was another one we read. I think we read Life Is Tremendous and The Greatest Salesman in the World, also, but I'm not sure the last two were required. *************************************** The important thing to note here is that, in addition to our Fellow Laborer duties, we were also required to work full time secular jobs where we were supposed to witness and then turn names over to local believers for follow-up. That left very little free time to do any serious reading.

No, I didn't memorize it. It's from the link I posted. But, did you notice that in the introduction to the teaching, he slyly allows the audience to believe it's his work they are hearing? Sorry----I seem to have derailed this thread.

********************************************************* Take your Bibles and turn to the book of Colossians, Chapter 1. Tonight I'd like to open The Word with you. And, if I were to give this a topic or a title of what I have in my heart to share with you tonight, I would call it "The Red Thread." You find him everywhere in The Word. In Genesis he is the promised seed of the woman. In Exodus he is the Passover lamb. In Leviticus he is the High Priest. In Numbers he is the star to rise out of Jacob. In Deuteronomy he is the two laws: Love God and love your neighbor. In Joshua he is the captain of the Lord of Hosts. In Judges he is the covenant angel named Wonderful. In Ruth he is the kinsman redeemer. In Samuel he is the root and offspring of David. In Kings he is the greater than the Temple. In Chronicles he is the King's son. In Ezra-Nehemiah he is the rebuilder. In Esther he is the savior of God's people. In Job he is the daysman. In Psalms he is the song. In Proverbs he is the wisdom of God. In Ecclesiastes he is the one among a thousand. In The Song of Solomon he is the bridegroom of the bride. In Isaiah he is Jacob's branch. In Jeremiah he is our righteousness. In Lamentations he is the unbelievers' judgement. In Ezekiel he is the true shepherd. In Daniel he is the stone that became the head of the corner. In Hosea he is the latter rain. In Joel he is God's dwelling in Zion. In Amos he is the raiser of David's tabernacle. In Obadiah he is the deliverer on Mount Zion. In Jonah he is our salvation. In Micah he is the Lord of kings. In Nahum he is the stronghold in the time of trouble. In Habakkuk he is our joy and confidence. In Zephaniah he is our mighty Lord. In Haggai he is the desire of the nations. In Zechariah he is our servant The Branch. In Malachi he is the son of Righteousness. This is the go-thrum, the red thread. You find him everywhere throughout the Word. In Matthew he is Jehovah's Messiah. In Mark he is Jehovah's servant. In Luke he is Jehovah's man. And in John he is Jehovah's Son. In Acts he is the gift of holy spirit. In Romans he is the believers' justification. In Corinthians he is the believers' sanctification. In Galatians he is the believers' righteousness. In Ephesians he is the believers' heavenly standing. In Philippians he is the believers' self-adequacy. And in Colossians he is the believers' completeness. And in Thessalonians he is the believers' soon-glorification. In Timothy he is the faithful men. In Titus he is the fellowlaborer. In Philemon he is the love of a believer. In Hebrews he is the High Priest for sin. In James he is the royal law. In Peter he is the pastor. In John he is as we are. In Jude he is the beloved. And in Revelation he is the King of kings and the Lord of lords. Who is this Jesus Christ? Yes, who is this Jesus Christ? He is the Red Thread that binds together the Word from Genesis to Revelation. http://www.biblicalresearchjournal.org/brj-pages_pdf/002_1978-07_the_red_thread.pdf ************************************************************************************** (Perhaps I missed it, but nowhere in this transcript do I see him acknowledge that this particular interpretation of "The Red Thread" actually originated with Oral Roberts, though I did hear him say that at the AC. Here, he makes it sound like this was his idea. The phrase itself, "Red Thread" is quite old and has been used by a multitude of people.)

I think, in some ways, The Way may have been more dangerous because it was able to maintain a facade of normalcy to the casual observer. (Just my opinion.)

I was never in the WC but required reading in Fellow Laborers of Ohio included Your Rugged Constitution, The Hiding Place, and God's Smuggler. I think we were supposed to have read the other stuff, like The Myth, Babylon, Challenging Counterfeit, Angels of Light etc. before we could be accepted. That's off the top of my head. It was a long time ago. :P Oops! Almost forgot----- Christian Etiquette.

I'm curious how you reconcile this with the scripture that says God is not a respecter of persons. (ie: treats everyone equally). I really don't believe your interpretation of that passage is accurate. What you've stated is a Calvinist approach to pre-destiny

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There's nothing you can make that can't be made. No one you can save that can't be saved. Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time It's easy.