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I could be mistaken (on account of I'm an old guy now and my memory ain't what it used to be) but I seem to recall that particular version being part of CF&S.

I was looking for a replacement for my lost PLAF book and stumbbled in the door.

Here's my metaphysical thought for the day: Suppose God really talks to us in ways that transcend "language" as we know it. Wouldn't that make The Way and all it's intricate studies of specific "words" a rather diabolical twist of irony?

Out of respect, we should probably retire this thread, now that he has passed on. Just a thought.

When I took PLAF (The Wonder Class), it was 13 sessions long. After session 12, you were officially a grad but eligible for session 13. That session was supposed to be like the hidden track on a CD or something. The 13th session consisted of another hour or so of audio taped teaching regarding SIT, TIP and Prophecy. It was really like a less energetic version of sessions 11 and 12 combined. No, there were no examples of Wierwille showcasing his product. It was just straightforward teaching fare. Looking back, I believe it was probably material that had been cut from the main body of the class because it didn't follow the emotional pattern of the rest of it. After that extra hour or so, the class broke up into small participatory groups that later became known as excellor sessions That session came to be known as the T.I.P. session. I think the whole thing lasted 2-3 hours tops. (with refreshments) Later, it got extended to the full blown, three session, Intermediate Class. Still not much more teaching. Lots of added excellor session activity. If you wanted to take the AC, you had to pay for and take the Intermediate even if you had sat through T.I.P. That kind of fried me at the time because I had done all three mannies before I ever took the PLAF class. But, being a good wayfer kind of guy, I kept my mouth shut and followed orders. I guess that's a 'round about way of saying that I never heard him do much of anything beyond what was in those classes. edited to add: When I was in Fellow Laborers, it was pretty rare to hear a limb leader or any high ranking "mucky muck" speak in tongues and interpret. In fact, it was seen as somewhat of an imposition on them to do TIP. You were never supposed to call on them in a believer's meeting. If anything, they would sometimes give a "word of prophesy" if they were running the show. There was some kind of rationalization that prophesy was heavier stuff or something.

Ever think about how amazing evolution is? Not the kind where man evolved from an amoeba. No, what I'm talking about is the millions of seemingly independent examples that don't seem to be related in the least bit. Like how certain types of algae have evolved to produce pigments that will block out specific wavelengths of light that could endanger their future. Or how the common housefly has developed the ability to synthesize an anti-freeze like substance to fill it's circulatory system so it can survive the brutality of winter and knows exactly when to put the whole shebang in motion. Maybe there's some kind of lesson in all this. I'm not sure. Seems to me, though, like it can't be summed up into some nice, neat little lesson to be expounded from a pulpit on Sunday morning. (or night)

HeeHee They were probably too consumed with wondering if you thought God was talking to THEM.

If those things (and more) that you experience during those events are God talking to you, TIP in twig fellowship ain't chopped liver!

Ditto

That depends on what you mean by "talking to you". Maybe He's talking to you when you see the miracle of a child being born or hold someone's hand as they take their last breath. Was it ever promised He would "speak" to us in words? Maybe his "voice" is shouting out loud in the symbolism of the wonders of nature. Maybe he doesn't even need words or language to "speak" to us.

Hey, What's that behind you?? HaHa--made ya look, made ya look.

How about this one from the AC? "Speaking in tongues much daily is prerequisite to revelation."

"Fear is sand in the machinery of life"---E. Stanley Jones Wierwille took it and used it to make us afraid of fear. A major component of the law of believing formula

That may be true, but I think it was used to fuel a heightened sense of urgency that affected our daily lives.

Interesting observation.

Yeah, that one tied in with the revelation stuff. Always lookin' for heavy revvy, ya know?

The Law of Believing!!

Yup---that definitely had an effect on our daily lifestyle.

Peachy keen! :) Yeah, I don't know why I forgot about that trinity thing----not just disbelief in it but a fear of it and disdain for all who professed it. I guess that played a big part of the stuff we believed, too

In the interest of keeping this on topic, here's a thread about miracles and such: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...c=16327&hl=

Recently, I had a conversation with someone who wanted to know what our core beliefs were back in the day. Now, I'm not talking about 4 crucified, Eli, Eli----, etc. What I'm talking about are the beliefs that governed our behavior and day-to-day living. The best I could come up with was devil spirits, manifestations and the hedge of protection. :( Any thoughts?

Oh, I'm not so sure about that. When I took the AC in 1973, it was already plenty weird regarding devil spirits.

I can't remember if it was Raf or Jerry B., but someone has done work on this. It's here somewhere, I just don't know where.