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Is it possible there are people who will never experience that sense of relief that comes with admitting they were duped? That feeling that comes from realizing you're not "tripped out" just because you left a destructive cult? I would have to say,"yes".

Thanks. DWBH I was not aware the confidentiality issue extended beyond the person's demise, especially since the cause of death is listed on a death certificate, which is public record. I had no reason to even think about looking at Dr. Wierwille's DC until I came here. But, I'm pretty naive about such legal matters. And, after all, it's not like they had to provide intimate details, just a simple "cause of death" statement would have spoken volumes to the details that would have probably been of greatest interest to Wayfers. I don't mean to sound as if I'm minimizing his suffering. It must have been a horrible way to die. I'm just saying that I think they "hush-hush-ed" it to avoid the appearance of doctrinal discrepancies.

Light Through An Eastern Window Chapter 8 "Plants and Trees" Page 100 "I have seen the clever little pieces of jewelry which were made with mustard seeds, and I wish to say that the seeds of the East are really about one-tenth of the size of the ones which grow in America and Europe. They are truly the smallest of seeds and the plants they produce grow as large as trees. I want to verify that fact, since I fear that Westerners may visualize a small shrub when they read this verse. This mustard seed represents Spirit which we receive into ourselves when we believe.-------------This speck of Spirit is ours to nourish and cause to grow until we indeed flourish like the mustard plant which rises up into a tree so large that the birds nest in it!" Hmmmm? Is there a botanist in the house?

I find it particularly disturbing that Watered Garden, who knew Dr. F. W. quite well, was kept in the dark on such an important matter. Maybe the chronology doesn't fit. I don't know. Still, it seems to me like something was being swept under the carpet. All I'm saying is that it surprised me that even someone close to FW( like WG) was kept in the dark.

Geeze, youse guys! Don't youse remember nuttin'? If you say somebody is a liar, that's a metaphor. If you say somebody is like a liar, that's a similie. If you address them directly and say,"Liar!", that's hypocatastasis. See the difference? HaHaHaHaHa! ME NEITHER!!!

Perhaps you missed my post in the "My friend Liz" thread. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ When I was quite new "in The Word", I had a childhood friend who was diagnosed as schizophrenic. He was doing fairly well(but not great) with the clinical treatments he was receiving which included very heavy duty pharmaceuticals. One of the "lovely" young ladies in our branch(who went on to much bigger and "better" things with TWI) was kind enough to tell him his problems probably stemmed from the fact that he was "born of the wrong seed". Not long after that, I found myself being asked by his father to be a pall bearer at his funeral. He left me a note saying that he had learned something about himself that he could not bear to live with. It was me who insisted he come with me to twig because I thought it could help him. It was me who had to find his lifeless body that cool Autumn night. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ditto This is the first I knew of it, too.

http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...8/the_tower.php The Tower

Wouldn't be much of a doctor if he/she let you continue taking meds that made you sick. At least that's my opinion. "course that doesn't really change the fact that the syllabus I have here clearly shows that Dr. Wierwille did teach that cancer is possession. Now, if you could somehow round up all the syllabi that are not the "final" version and replace them with the one that you have--------- -Nah! --------------Still wouldn't be able to change history.

"Music hath charms to soothe the savage breast, to soften rocks, or to bend a knotted oak." Wm. Congreve-----1670-1729 Excerpted from The Morning Bride -----act1/scene 1 Still, it really has little, if anything, to do with the topic of this thread which is "A life of its own".

Thanks for looking that up, MIKE. Apparently Wierwille did, in fact, teach along those lines. Now the question that remains is."Was he accurate in his presentation of this idea?" You say "yes". I say "no". I'm ok with that. Still, it would be the icing on the cake, so to speak, if you could substantiate this from scripture. Yeah, I know you won't find the actual word, "aspirin" in the Bible. I'm talking about this idea of chemicals(pharmacia) being able to elicit these effects.

Gee I thought they were awards for spelling and grammar. Hey, if everybody gets 5 stars, the teacher said we can have a Pizza Party!

I must concur with Outfield.(regarding oppression, depression and possession.) Page 21 i. Spirits affecting the mind (2) Spirit of Oppression---Generates feelings of persecution from external sources. ("everything is closing in".) (3)Spirit of Depression----Has internal implications. So, to answer your question, MIKE, the difference between possession and oppression is that possession is a state of being, whereas oppression(in the context of the information taught in the Advanced Class) is a spiritual entity. Re: the statement about aspirin. A scriptural reference would be nice but I will accept a syllabus reference of proof that he taught it. We know he could not have gotten this by direct revelation because there are countless teachings that state that revelation can not contradict the Word. The Word says spirits are cast out in the name of Jesus Christ therefore, saying they are cast out by ingestion of aspirin is a contradiction of God's Word. Hence, It does not appear that Wierwille could have reached this conclusion by either direct revelation or scriptural reference. If, in fact, you do know where the scriptures would substantiate this or can refer to a specific section from the AC syllabus, by all means, feel free to do so.

MIKE My post is not based on "memory" or "extrapolation". What Wierwille taught is right there in black and white for you to see. There's more, too, but somehow I think it would be fruitless to direct your attention to it. Wierwille wouldn't have known "God's Voice" if it was screaming in his ear. He was nothing more than a pompous arse with serious psychological and behavioral problems, not to mention a criminal that just so happened to stay one step ahead of the law. Peace

I distinctly remember that teaching. I think it was about 1973 or 1974. In retrospect, I think that teaching was just a way to cover their butts. In that same teaching, Dr. W. related an incident involving how his children were not allowed to start school until they had their proper shots. According to Dr. W., he fought the policy very strongly and said his kids were covered by believing. He said he was concerned the shots could make them sick. Then, according to him, he suddenly realized he could have the kids get their shots and thus believe that the shots would not harm them. Looking back, it's just old fashioned rationalization. He said if you are on meds, you should continue until it's the meds that make you sick because you no longer need them. I can't believe I actually fell for this cr@p.

Re; Breaking Bread I think choice is the operative word here. When I was in Fellowlaborers, we ate breakfast every morning in our "houses" with the same 5 other people. At supper, all 50 of us ate together but we were still seated with our "houses". You had no choice. It was mandated. It rarely varied unless we had a visitor. We had to follow strict rules of etiquette about every little detail. Yes, we ate together, but more often than not, it was drudgery and an exercise in table manner "minutia". It's not what I would like to think "breaking bread" is really all about. I'm not sure how that ties in with making friends except that those were situations where we should have been able to hone our socializing skills and instead we were stifled. There were people I would have liked to have gotten to know better but the choice was limited by legalism.

http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...nts_to_li_1.php Here's another one.

You Betcha! I posted this in response to someone's insistence, not long ago, that these things were not taught by VPW.

Dooj At the top are some search boxes. Click on site resourses. At the bottom are some options that will take you to another story.

http://www.thewritingmachine.net/archives/...ntula_attac.php Has anyone been to this web site? It's a memoir and collection of writings by a young man who grew up in The Way. The last time I saw him he was just a tiny tot with long golden hair, whose boundless energy had him bouncing off the walls of Mason's Hall while we adults chanted choruses of What A Friend We Have In Jesus. If you go, be sure to read his bio.

Ahhhh! Mr. Natural,himself. Keep on truckin'!

You are correct sir. It is also part of the soundtrack for The Big Fish, a quirky but entertaining movie from a couple years ago. It was done originally by The Vogues. I think it was recorded in about 1965 or thereabouts.

Up every mornin just to keep my job I gotta fight my way through the hustling mob Sounds of the city poundin in my brain While another day goes down the drain

HaHaHaHa! You heard it here first. MIKE admits to being a "trinitarian".

Is it What's Goin' On? ------------Marvin Gaye?