waysider

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The basic (scholastic) reason TWI teachings so adamantly promoted the anti-trinitarian line of thought was because of the O.T. reference stating,"Thou shalt have no other Gods before me." ---------IMO--------- Now, you could easily get wrapped up in a discussion of the word "before" , etc., etc. Not my cup of tea. My beliefs about The Trinity are relevant only to me. My beef is with this statement: " If son of God means or equals God the son, then language and words are useless as a tool of communication." ---------VPW---------- Forget about the topic at hand; this statement is jibberish. It sounds very noble----- but---- it really means nothing. How many other catchy phrases are/were there in PFAL(and TWI) that really don't/didn't have any actual meaning in and of themselves? These phrases were designed to evoke a response that was based on emotion, not logic and reason. ( Don't forget----When Eve stopped to *consider*, it marked the beginning of the end for her utopia.) Sarcasm intended. --------IMO-----

I remember r0tch w. from Fellowlaborers. He and his wife P@!$y were FL3/staff. He was in charge of prison outreach and she was in charge of children's fellowship for Ohio and worked on the food co-op(Manna) He was also a twig leader in FLO.(night twig) I can understand how he could physically intimidate someone. Yep---shore do. Most of us had to go straight from morning fellowship (5:30 am) to our mile run, on to breakfast with the house, and then to our day jobs. From our day jobs we went straight to limb hq for dinner and then to evening work detail before going on to night twig (approx. start time 10:00 pm)-----Lights out! at midnight. But not r0tch.-----no,no,no. When HE got off work, he was allowed to go home and lift weights or spend time with his wife until dinner. A lot of us were envious of the free time he was afforded. It would have been nice just to have an hour or two to do something selfish like read The Word, (let alone lift weights or spend time with your spouse.) FL1, 2 and 3 may have good memories of FLO night(Wed.), but for FL4, 5 and 6 it was a night to dread. It was pretty much a 3 hour group *face melt* every week. We used to file in to take our seats and say to each other, "I wonder what we'll find out we screwed up THIS week?" And then there was the time we were confined to the BRC in a weekend lockdown that was designed to break our spirits. That was a 2&1/2 day*face melt*! Of course, the term * face melt* was not actually in usage yet at that time.

I used to get that one, also, though not for a couple of years. They are trying to get your credit card number. You can star 69 (*69) to get the last incoming number to your phone unless they have it blocked. (And they probably will) It will cost you a small fee. You can then report it to authorities if you so choose. BTW---(866) is a toll free area code.

What, in heaven's name, does that have to do with considering whether or not the phrase in question is semantically sound?

Even if they do, how does that render words and language useless as tools of communication?

That's a catchy phrase, alright, except it really makes no sense when you break it down. Where does the Bible say,"The son of God is God the son?" And, if, in fact, it does, why would that make language and words useless as a form of communication?

Cindy Not sure what you are looking for here. Are you looking for someone to write, perform, record or what? Also, what sort of timeline are you dealing with?

I Loved Her First------Heartland

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That's only if it was strictly an "or" scenario. What if it was also an "and" scenario? (Possessed in body and mind.) Quite a dilemma when you think about it. Either we followed the teachings of a *possessed* man or he was wrong about possession, thereby negating his credibility on that issue as well as others.

Cancer would fall into the "or" category. " The spirits may affect or possess mind-------------or-----------body."(VPW)

According to VPW, it's an "and/or" kind of deal.

At least he didn't pose the question, "Who loves ya, baby?"

From the Advanced Class syllabus by VPW-----1971 Page 19 e. All life is spirit, but not all spirit is eternal life spirit. (1.) Any spirit to be manifested, shown forth, must be in a body. (2.) A born-again saved believer may become afflicted with evil spirits. The spirits may affect or possess mind and/or body, but not the spirit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote name='oldiesman' date='Aug 27 2007, 12:36 PM' post='362407'] I agree that VP taught that it was life and "all life is spirit". Disagree that he taught that those who have cancer are possessed. When you think about it, it makes no sense. Possession is in the category of the mind, whereas cancer runs around the body. Unless one literally believes that lung cancer means lung possession, prostate cancer equals prostate possession, breast cancer equals breast possession, throat cancer equals throat possession, etc. etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree------------"It makes no sense."

My apologies also, Shellon. I thought Chas. was toying with a rumor that had floated around for awhile. Sorry, Waysider

Far East Side.

You got 'er George!

I can make the grayest sky blue. I can make it rain whenever I want it to. I can build a castle from a single grain of sand. I can make a ship sail on dry land.

AnotherDan Can I at least tempt you to take a guess?

I think the reason there was a *Way Tr33*, is simply because that was the best environment for their multi-level-marketing(MLM) operation to function. Remember, VPW was first and foremost a businessman. As to the *root locale* image; I think it was all hype to generate mystique and add to Wierwille's need for self importance. Their MLM operation is in a shambles and the Camelot image is long gone. What is the real point of holding on to something that is dragging down the profit margin?

RumRunner My post followed yours so it looked like I was responding to you. I really wasn't. The Census Bureau breaks the demographic down into black, white, and other. The Hmong Highlanders and East Indians that you mentioned, are considered other.(As far as I know.) "Race" is really not a scientific reality so much as a way of social sciences and medical sciences having some sort of way to catalog information. It serves a purpose. While it is true that some groups are more prone to things like high blood pressure, sickle cell anemia, skin cancers, and so on, at the basic DNA level, all humans, regardless of race, are basically the same. Animal fighting is, indeed, associated with various cultures and the moral perceptions of what they(The cultures as a whole) find acceptable. I don't personally see that as being the case with Vick. In my opinion, he is using the cultural explanation to rationalize and justify a behavior he knew was illegal and at cross odds with what the larger culture of American citizens find unacceptable. I think that's what some people used to call "weaseling his way out". Again---Just my 2 cents.

I can fly like a bird in the sky. I can buy anything that money can buy. I can turn a river into a raging fire. I could live forever if I so desired.

According to the U.S. Census in 2004, 13% of the U.S.demographic are "black"(their word). It's totally ridiculous to believe that 13% of the people in this country consider dog fighting a "misunderstood" part of their "culture". The bottom line is that the N@@CP has its own agenda and does not represent all "blacks" in this country. Similar parallels could be drawn if the discussion were centered around "cock fighting" and how it is regarded in the Hispanic community. Torturing animals is NOT "OK". It is, however, a very big money making business with ties to many other forms of corruption. This much I recognize. Just my opinion.