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Hmmm. Are you sure it wasn't a jelly-"baby"? EXTERMINATE!------EXTERMINATE!

Hi, WG There were actually two of these events.(That I remember) One, as you say, was "off-site" and a one day event. I think this may be the one you remember. I believe you are correct about the handcuffing also. I think there might have also been something with a blindfold, but I'm fuzzy on that part. It was pretty vicious. No, I take that back, it was sadistic. I don't recall the name of the guy you are referring to but, I too, can picture him as well as his wife. The purpose of it, in my opinion, was to break you of your individualism and make you a team member. (esprit de corps) The other one was an event where we were locked inside the BRC after Friday night supper(unannounced) and then put through a weekend long breaking session. I suppose it was somewhat similar to the accounts I've heard about deprogramming. This one was REAL bad. Doors were locked except at break. You were warned that if you left at break(as if you could just walk away in the middle of Podunk, USA) you would be toast, spiritually if not physically. You would not be welcome anywhere in the entire state or anywhere for that matter. This one might have been during the year I went back in for a third year.(After you graduated.) One of our FLO sisters had what I now realize was a nervous breakdown. I know that's not the correct medical term but I think it best conveys what happened. Not sure at which one of these it took place. I can definitely understand why Mr. Garden may have blocked this memory. I was one of the ones who was dressed down and blasted for insubordination just because I used the phrase "I think". It was nasty. Special note for those who wax nostalgic for "the good old days". This was in the mid 1970s. edited---Just remembered that third one where we got called out to limb in the middle of the night and were told the program was canceled. Then, at AM fellowship, we were given a second chance if we agreed to obey leadership implicitly.

C4 is quite effective, also. Doesn't leave much nest, though, or a place to display it.

I didn't know VP personally. I only met him a few times. Each time he was cold and aloof. He seemed to be "full of himself". (Stories about these but maybe some other time.) I don't think my respect was for him so much as it was for the office he supposedly held. He was never my idol. He was, though, someone I looked to in expectation that he would set an example for me to follow. Glad I never did.(Follow his example)

Hmmmm. Is it obscene because it is showing or because you can see it? Just funnin' with ya.

Hi there, hmh Welcome to GSC. "Time in" is really irrelevant. If they affected your life, you belong here.

Forget for a moment that we are talking about Wierwille here. Suppose you read or heard on the news that there was a guy in, let's say Nebraska or New Jersey, who was running a cheerleader summer camp as a pretense for such activities. Would you be inclined to say,"Oh, he was trying to 'loosen them up' so they could perform their cheers better."? Geeze Louise!---The guy committed premeditated sexual predation. Most rational thinking people would be embarrassed to admit they knew him and rode around on a motorcycle with him, much less come to his defense when the evidence appeared so damning. Is there really any legal difference here between a guy who does this as part of a secular activity and one who does it as part of a religious activity? Please note that I have removed the "spiritual" aspect from the question. The man has been dead for 20 years and yet he is still spiritually raping those who pledge their allegiance to him and blindly defend his "ministry". I don't feel anger toward these guys. I feel sympathy. They have been slipped a "mickey" and don't even realize it.

Unless I'm mistaken, that's Charles Brown. Either Johnny or Oscar Moore on guitar(Maybe both.) Don't remember the bass players name. Williams, I think, was his last name. I think he had a whole album of "road" songs. Was this one part of it? Interesting guy, Charles Brown. Before his musical career took off, he was a pharmacist. edited to note that Charles Brown was the guy who wrote Merry Christmas, Baby, Driftin' Blues and Stepped in Quicksand

It was definately a "synch" job. But that was pretty much accepted back then. These guys were from the East-Side of Cleveland. (I am from the West-Side.) Clevelanders identify themselves as either East or West-siders. It's mostly about which side of the Cuyahoga River Valley you are on. You may also remember Sonny as the lead singer for Climax, who had a big hit with Precious And Few. I just figured I would give the next one to Tom since he seemed to know the answer. (As long as there are no objections)

I think Tom has it.Time Wont Let Me ---The Outsiders (ft. Sonny Geraci)

"Kick the Can" and "Stickball". Hmmmm. Maybe it was a Cleveland thing. :)

Can't you see I've waited too long? To love you To hold you in my arms?

I can't wait forever Even though you want me to I can't wait forever Just to know if you'll be true.

Rick Last I heard, D.B. was in the Cols. area(Dublin or Hilliard, don't recall) and ran a fellowship. I think it might be an offshoot or derivative of an offshoot. I ran the class he was in when I was a FLO.(please don't hate me ) Don't know if that helps.

Re: the auditorium Now remember, we must always call it by its full name, "The Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille Auditorium" (or something like that) and never "The VPW Auditorium". <_< My memory is fuzzy on this, but didn't VPW insist, at one point during early construction phases, that the rebar in one particular section had to be stainless steel (instead of regular steel that normal humans would use) because God gave him revelation to that effect? If I recall correctly, a portion of the construction had to be torn out and redone to correct that matter. We had a special offering at the twig I attended, several weeks in a row, to help defray the costs of the corrections. One of my great regrets in life is that I had a "crap-o" job at the time and wasn't able to contribute huge amounts to such a worthwhile project. I could be wrong in my recollection.

Could that be: Living In The City----Stevie Wonder?

Hi, W.G. I just had a wacky thought.(Like that's news or somethin') Remember how, because pets were forbidden in Fellowlaborers, people used to get jade plants and cacti and keep them in their rooms? "Come on, Jadey, time for your walk." Or how about those sponge thingies that came in a plastic "egg" that you put in water and they "grew" overnight into a goldfish? HaHaHaHaHa! Oh yeah----They sold them at The Wayside Truck Stop. I think they were a quarter or fifty cents.

Hiya, Guys! (Oldies, John, WTH, etc.) Just wanted to pass along a little friendly advise. Next time you are out on the town, you may want to keep a close watch on your drink. Correction, make that a VERY close watch. Ya see, this "drug thing" is apparently gaining momentum and being a guy does not make you immune. Do you think being young, strong and athletic puts you at an advantage? (Uhmmm!-- You are all young, strong and athletic, right?) I Trow not! "He was a mean, mean man." ---------Mrs. W.--------------------- I think she may have known his true nature just a bit more intimately than you fellas. Food for thought: http://www.findbrianshaffer.com/ http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=33742

As a mater of clarification, the "response" in my previous post was not mine. It was Oldiesman's

excath. In response to your question: I am 57 years old. Do I ever see a lady in my age bracket and think "Wowzer!!!"? Of course. That's hardly the same thing as practicing predatory behavior to violate young women. Hey! women do it too.( The "Wowzer!!!" thing, that is.) Do I think about harming teenage girls? To tell you the truth, it's hard to look at a lady under 30 or 35 and not think, "Hey, that could be my daughter or granddaughter." Of course, that in itself is kinda weird since I have only male progeny. OK, all kidding aside, It is natural for a man to see an attractive lady and feel a sense of arousal. That's a far cry from what is being promoted as "typical" or "normal" ( Or worse yet, "excusable") by some who post here. For whatever it's worth, that's my opinion.

Shoot a PM over to Eagle, he might know.

QUOTE(doojable @ Oct 22 2007, 08:26 AM) * Show me where Solomon drugged and raped women. Show me where he taught that he'd heal them with his 'manhood.' The issue isn't vp's amount of sexual desire, nor is it the time period that he was born, The issue is HOW he chose to use people - young girls at that - to fulfill his sexual desires. Another issue is manipulation. The very fact that you're so impressed with his amount of sexual desire says more about you than it does about anyone else. The amount isn't evil. The desire isn't evil. Even a GREAT amount isn't evil. Manipulation, drugging, lying and rape are evil. ------------------------------------------------------------ RESPONSE(post#350) I suspect Solomon didn't have to drug women; he was the King and could have any woman he wanted. He was the King and women flocked to him; just like they flocked to Wierwille. Like some kind of a rock star. I don't know why he had to use drugs though; he had all the women without them. That was wrong for sure. But maybe he did it just to loosen them up? You know the uptight ones. I never tried it, but I heard that some of these date rape drugs enhance the sexual desire. Sort of like a sexual aid. BTW most if not all men fantisize about young women. That is a fact of nature and any guy who disputes this is either lying or gay.

Two cats that came to us as kittens(sisters) from a family of feral cats that lived in the woods at a metro park. For about the first two years, you couldn't even pick them up even though we kept them in the house. Now, after ten years, you can't walk or sit anywhere without them clamoring for attention. They still have their wild moments, though, and not a day goes by that they don't break into a full blown scuffle. Also, a tortoise that has lived in a confined area of the backyard for almost 15 years. He just hibernated, in the soft soil I provide, last week. He won't dig his way back out until right around Easter, I always thought the symbolism was kinda cool.

John I believe it is you who owes the entire GSC community an apology for suggesting that a legal technicality involving age makes what VPW did acceptable. Sexual predation is a problem that has no age boundaries. It is especially heinous when it involves someone under aged, yes, but it does not automatically become somehow "OK" if it involves someone of legal consent age. You see, John, the pertinent factor here is not whether the victim was of the age of consent, but that consent was not an option. Stop looking for loopholes and accept reality. RE: John never hit me. Who cares? That's between you and John and God Almighty. It has little, if anything, to do with the subject at hand.