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Jonny I'm pretty sure it was well known by hydrologists and geologists what lies beneath the surface in Alaska long before the days of Uncle Harry and VP. The Van Swearingen family is well known in Ohio for their work in geology and drilling as well as their ties to a historic figure known as Blue Jacket. I work in a related field. Drilling is a crap shoot. Sometimes you hit water, sometimes you hit gas, sometimes oil and sometimes you hit the big goose egg. Sometimes you have to drill for one on purpose to find another. There is also a Van Swearingen family( maybe even the same family roots) who are well known as seafaring people. (17th and 18th century) At any rate, if the Alaska story has credence to it, I personally doubt his misfortune was due to not following the orders of the MOG. Just my opinion, brother, everybody's got one. PS-- let's talk harmonicas sometime.

Yeah, you got a point, Patriot. He bragged about God giving him revelation about something that proved, ultimately, not to be so "Godly" after all. Funny,too(not the HaHa kind), that he related ideas similar to those of Hitler from decades previous. Why, it's enough to make you wonder if he didn't maybe do some "research" on Hitler and The Third Reich. Actually, that thing about the adversary having access to it, once you say it, is in the PFAL class. It's that part where he talks about the preacher who pre-planned and wrote out his sermons. Come to think of it, I seem to remember this being in Dealing With The Adversary, also. (The part about "once it's revealed in the senses realm-----")

I was playing in one of those pimply faced garage bands that were so popular when this came out. (You know, Betty Sue's birthday party, school dances and such) Man, if you couldn't play this one and "Get Off My Cloud" you need not even bother plugging in your Silvertone amplifiers. Edited to add "Wipeout". They used to say "Wipe Out or get out." Lucky for us, we had a drummer who knew his instrument much better than we knew ours.

Say it ain't so! I threw out all my Heart issues about a year ago.

That's a good one TS. It's not so easy, though, if you are looking for the original.

Give the man a CEE-gar! You got 'er TS

Hmmm, Hmmm Uh huh,Uh huh And what do YOU think this means, Mr. Socks? Please, please sir. Stop pacing the room and lie back down on the couch. Now then, what was your childhood like?

I suppose if VP were alive today, he might be claiming the idea for "Supers!ze Me" was his. (In keeping with the McD theme) Would it seem like too much of an oversimplification to simply say I think he may have been delusional?

That's some interesting stuff there, when you consider that the original concept for "interstate" type/ superhighways actually was conceived in the early twentieth century and made into a reality by none other than Adolph Hitler. He built the very first large scale version of this type of highway (The Autobahn, which opened in the early 1930s) Those sound like variations of Hitler's original ideas. The interstate highway system that exists in America today was derived directly from earlier efforts and ideas of Hitler. It's hard to believe that even a monster like Hitler had at least some sort of positive impact on history.

I remember at least part of it, the part about it being his idea. I don't remember the part about the arches. I am pretty sure he used this example during the advanced class to promote the concept that all great ideas originated with revelation. And, he went on to use his failure to act on it as a lesson to us to obey revelation,especially if it was being spoken by a MOG. "When God says 'jump', you don't ask how high." He cited several other examples of how he felt all the major developments of mankind must have come via revelation. He also said that some came as revelation from "the wrong camp". (And I had quit the dreaded pharmacia by that time.) If my recollection is correct, it was presented to hundreds of other listeners in that particular session, as well.

Through the door crashes Clara Pe!!er. Storming determinedly toward the counter she demands to know----------- "Where's the Greek?"

I'm lovin' it!

Charles Brown--------I Stepped In Quicksand

People around every corner They seem to smile and say "We don't care what your name is, boy, We'll never turn you away".

Midnight Rider----------Allman Brothers PS---That's a sweet lookin' Les Paul in your avatar!

C.A. I find your posts to be insightful and enlightening.

Oh, sure, you never "said" it, but--------------------

Never buy generic caviar! OK--- I'm just goofin' In theory, the generic version should be the same as the name brand, especially with drugs. In reality, though, that is not always the case. I do not take anti-depression drugs but I know people who do. They all tell me that the effects of the generic versions are not the same as the name brand. I'm not a pharmacist. I don't know why that should be. I just know that, that is what they relate to me. That's especially significant because these drugs are not like aspirin wherein you take some and experience the effects shortly after. You might have to take a particular drug for a month or two before it becomes evident if it is going to work for your situation. That's a lot of time to invest in something that may or may not work.

Jonny I just posted behind you on another thread. I'm not stalking you, honest. With all due respect, I think what you are talking about in your post is having faith in God and believing in His ability to delivery what He promised. I think there are probably a lot of folks who share that belief with you, myself included. That is quite different from the "law" of believing that was promoted in The Way. I don't disagree with you. I simply think we are confusing two different things as being the same. TWI's version wasn't about the goodness of God, it was about one's ability to manipulate a formula.

Jonny I see your point, I really do. For the record, I, too, have stated many times that I had lots of good experiences in TWI#1. What I have difficulty understanding is why there are people who insist that, because they saw good things during their involvement, anyone who had contrary experiences must be mistaken. I personally saw some very sweet times and also saw things that were blatantly wrong. I am thankful for the good things I saw yet I'm not so naive and oblivious as to obscure the memories I have of events that were clearly not in alignment with what I understand to be God's Word. I, for one, have no problem with someone cherishing their fond memories. I know I cherish mine. I think it is wrong, however, to insist that their experiences must represent the true nature of the organization. Well, that's just my opinion.

Ever wonder why people who extol the virtues of cliches such as "it's the word, the word and nothing but the word" and "the integrity of the word is at stake" and "having done all, STAND!." seem to have a stubborn reluctance to look at information that is readily available here at GSC? Could it be because one of the "big things they learned in PFAL" was to never allow themselves to question or doubt? I mean, hey--------That's how the devil was able to trick Eve,right? (Or so we were told in PFAL.) Man, that was one powerful lesson!

It was a dark and dreary night and the Captain said to Pedro"---------------------------------------- No offense, D. , but what does any of that have to do with the fact that what was represented in PFAL as being "The Word, etc." was , in many places, inaccurate and exemplified Private Interpretation? It was a catchy phrase, no doubt. But, is was designed to rally the sales force to go out and push the product(ie: PFAL). Go back and read the information on "actual errors in PFAL" and the tell me why it is you think it (PFAL) represented "The Word, The Word and nothing but The Word".

I peeked, too, Mr. Strange. I can't believe I missed it. This is a really good one!

When I was a kid, I had a nasty accident and fractured my arm in multiple places. But, HEY!----- It was worth it because I got some really good ice cream in the hospital. -----IT'S THE WORD, ETC. ETC.------------ Geeze, Deciderater, have you even taken the time to review some of the information here regarding the PFAL class? Do you not realize that, not only was it lifted from other sources, some of it was downright inaccurate? I mean, if you really believe that stuff about how it's "The Word And Nothing But The Word" it seems like it would have you outraged that the PFAL class(and VPW) fell embarrassingly short of delivering just that. Maybe you could review the article that deals with "actual errors in PFAL" and then comment on specific points that you agree or disagree with. That might be a good starting point for a discussion of the subject. Of course, that's assuming you actually want to discuss it and not insist people accept your opinion blindly.

100% stumped!