Seth R.

This is pretty much off the cuff. My mission in life right now is to be a messenger of the coming paradigm shift from a global to a planetary society. What that means is that this new world order people are talking about and fearing is only going to be a flash in the pan that ignites the transition to a planetary society that values human effort above all material things. The time is coming when we will no longer need to work to make a living or work to live, but we will live to work. The HPP or Human Planetary Product like the Gross National Product will be reflected in how many human minutes are required to supply the planet with the 3 necessities of life, food, clothing, shelter. As we advance the time it takes for humans to fill the basic needs quota will be less and less. I'm inspired by Jacques Fresco and his work on the Venus Project, and Future by Design, and his ideas about the monetary system and the resource based economy. I started thinking how do we get the neigh sayers to get in line for this new paradigm? They say no money? Where's the incentive? So I have a plan for a system that will generate incentive, and the best kind, satisfaction. There is no greater incentive then the feeling of satisfaction of a job well done, otherwise this world would crumble because there are thankless jobs that people do because it gives them pleasure that they are helping people. So here is the plan. First we have to agree that everyone world wide, EVERYONE, gets paid the same, zero, zip, zilch. But everyone is provided food, clothing and shelter. All debts are forgiven, all current assets people own will stay theirs unless they want to share. Money will not be needed everything will be free, so if a trucker needs to deliver a load he doesn't need to pay for fuel, anything he needs along the way no charge, hotels, food whatever. The factories need raw materials to build the cars and trucks and anything that's needed they don't pay for materials. The power needed is free, farmers get all they need to farm, their laborers are taken care of with homes and food and all the necessities of life. As this is happening the scientists and engineers are working with unlimited resources and facilites to develop automated systems that take the place of laborers. Medical research is unfettered by profit motive and breakthroughs are available to everyone. All patents are opened to every company, no longer is there wasted human effort in reverse engineering inventions to avoid patent infringement. All engineers are free to design smart roads that stay warm in the winter to melt snow and ice, illuminate at night so everything on the road is seen. People who want to live in the country can and not need to be hooked up to any municipal water sewage electricity system. We have the technology to build fully integrated houses that generate their own energy, and process the sewage, collect and filter water. Even build "roaming" homes that move slowly over a landscape based on weather conditions or need for resources. Let's say we have a smart roaming home that uses organic matter to power it's systems, so it's a giant lawnmower in the summer, in the fall it's a leaf collector. The incentive comes as we progress on a planetary scale in automation and health and sustainability that the value of the Human Planetary Product starts going up. This is reflected in how many human minutes it takes in a year to fill the Basic Needs Quota or the BNQ. Let's say right now it takes 18,000,000,000,000 Human Minutes per Year or HMY to sustain the status quo. In order to raise the value of the HPP we need to lower the HMY it takes to fill the BNQ. So we shift to the resource based economy and say Human Minutes are the highest thing we value. We look at the worlds 6 billion plus people and we say that every one of their minutes wasted doing menial labor and mind numbingly repetitive work when those jobs can and should be automated is devaluing the HPP. So how do we tackle these problems? Look at the video game craze, it's not a fad, people like doing challenging mind twisting things, simulating danger or risk. Massively Multi Player Online Games bring people together to adventure and team up and solve puzzles. What if we cybernated manufacturing and delivery using game like interfaces, we can have a massively redundant system that people log into and let's say remotely assemble a car, but what they are really doing is quality control, because the over all system will not allow the operator to go beyond the parameters of the default settings, however if the human operators do a better faster more accurate job they get rewarded and the program controlling the assembly is enhanced. Passenger aircraft can benefit from a few extra eyes to help fly the plane and make safe landings even if the pilots aren't able. Also these cybernated systems having the benefit of regular human interaction fine tunes the systems, and enables a tighter manufacturing process or a safer transportation system or a more accurate shipping system. As things advance and the value of the HPP goes up instead of spending 8 hours on the job, we only need 6. Then more advances happen and we only need 4 hour work days, and all the way down to 1 hour work days. Eventually everything will be so automated and cybernated that just living your daily life will supply the work necessary to keep things going. I don't know how all this is going to happen, but I'm sure it will, and not to far in the future. The day will come when one Human Minute will be so valuable that a ton of Gold couldn't buy it, because theres a whole world in a minute, and this is what people have lost. We have lost the value of our own time and the time of others, and life has become so cheap that we don't have the means necessary to prevent deaths from floods, tornadoes, drought, earthquakes. Famine? We should be ashamed that famine is even possible in this world, because the abundance is there, the technology is there, what stops it is politics and money, two evils that need to be eradicated. We need to wake up and wake others up to the wholesale fraud of the monetary system, and the political system and the religious system (abrahamic monotheism) and every system that has a ruling class. I hope to live to see the day when everyone has a home and food and clothing without money or fear of loosing what they have.

Penworks! Another TEDster, I love TED. Karen Armstrong is now on my list of most beautiful people in the world, she definitely is Buddha, and makes complete sense to this Atheist. The current state of "religion" is political, shallow, and dilute of meaning. All the 3 Abrahamic religions are merely poorly repeating the Mystery Schools. Infinite compassion, infinite love, infinite joy, that is our birthright and what we can live now, waiting for another life is futile, and wasteful. Stop being consumers and start being Creators. You have it in your power to create the world you desire, to deny that is the greatest evil man can do. Seth

Yeah I wouldn't mess with those Jesuits, they should read Dune before making any moves against them.

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They ended the witch hunts? They just renamed witches, the current name is terrorists. I agree though, closed mindedness breeds closed societies, and in a closed society the potential for cult mind control is overwhelming. People should be educating them selves on "The Great Transition" what most christians fear the most, one world globalization. Not one world government, or one world bank or one world army, or an emperor, just a global community, built on a resource based economy. http://www.tellus.org/ Seth

Thanks WW for that insightful post. My Mom always told me that one of the guys who started D&D was a cop out, and that the game started out as a Way Corps training tool, but I never believed that. I might just get into it now it sounds like a really fun social setting. Seth

I am a Utopian dreamer. I am a Realistic worker. I am a Hopeful skeptic. I am a Social healer. To dream, to see beyond the fragile manufactured temporal existence we call life, into the true nature of reality. To realize, our existence is of cause and effect, we do not exist independent or sustain our existence by being dependent. Our highest goal is to live interdependently, the only truly sustainable life is one that lives skillfully neither independent or dependent but interdependent, in reality that I do not survive alone even on a desert island. Incongruity, inequality, discomfort in the apparent disparity of life between what we dream and what we see and observe as life. The discomfort of change, comes from the new disharmony of a new broken chord. Dissatisfaction, unrest, apathy, violence, death. The impermanent nature of reality, and the desire for lasting permanence in physical existence. Cease suffering, cease disparity, cease discomfort, cease inequality, cease disharmony, cease permanence, cease existence. One, we are, singularity, harmonic, essential, reality, unity.

It took 28 years to get the World Title again but it was worth the wait! Go Phils! Seth

This explains a lot, but then again it is disappointing because this is an attitude we should have grown out of by adulthood. I mean every one wants to be right, but the question is for me, what's more important to be right or happy? It's seems through a series of events his *need* to be right didn't get filled by his father or his coaches. He found TWI and people who were all about being "right" he climbed the ladder proving he was "right" then once on top with not many above him to tell him he was "right" he made sure he was. He started changing things, and making it his idea of right, but as with all action that is taken out of ignorance the satisfaction was temporary. Being right isn't all it's cracked up to be, most of the time now I hate being right, because it feeds the thing I don't want to get fat - my ego. I work with people in varying stages of recovery from drugs and alcohol, most of them are obsessed with being right and perfection until they start doing the work on self that identifies the causes and conditions of their illness mentally. The right brand the perfect buzz, these are all powerful obsessions that usually don't go away without finding and facing their pattern, and understanding the source of the suffering. A chronic obsession with being right usually ends with surrender or madness. In TWI it was all about being "right on" and attaining perfection, boy what a mind freak. Rightly divided, perfection in christ blah blah blah, whatever. Seth

You think that's great, forget money I have booty! That's right a whole village of young sexy virgins in Ghana want to make me their Husband/King. LOL

Jim I do listen, and very deeply, and I understand this, if you would go on the premise that the technology exists today to do everything thing that is talked about in these videos, and money is not a factor because we shifted to a resource based economy. Then the question needs to be asked, why aren't we doing it, or more to the point what's stopping us or blocking us as a society from doing it? The monetary system is what is stopping us, money makes everything scarce because without money you can't buy the resources needed to do the job. What if we as a society said, let's get rid of the money system, which is truly what is misleading here, not the videos. So we get rid of the money system, and say everyone who has technology that can get the job done will be provided for, free food, housing, clothing, and the necessities of life. With all those things taken care of then we will be free to build a world of our dreams. Then we only need to become a resource based economy, where we say to the people we need the resources from you can have any of our resources and they in turn say agreed you can have any of our resources. All we need is people inspired to do it. The world is full of technicians who currently work for money to pay their bills, but who if they knew their families and houses were safe, because they don't have to pay for things, they knew that any food they need is provided they would still work at the job, and maybe better. You see it takes vision to see the full potential of humans, and it will take a re-engineering of our culture, economy and education in order for this to happen. It takes real vision to make the Quantum leap into a way of life that is so alien to what we have right now that it looks like science fiction. What we need is a system that frees people from the mundane work-a-day world of 9 to 5 and make all repetitive work automated, reduce the work day and work week, give people all that they need to live well, take personal profit motive out of it. See it seems you are like most people, you believe that the current system is the only way it can be done, barter and trade is a concept that is thousands of years old, and served a purpose at one time, when there were less people and the technology to find and harvest or mine resources and manufacture goods and ship those goods and resources was not like it is today. The current system should have died 30 years ago, but here we are limping along on and antiquated unsustainable system. A system based on scarcity, and economic debt, rather then abundance and truly FREE trade. If resources cost nothing except to go to the place and get them then everyone who had an idea and a desire to make something could do it, no doubt, no worry about can I afford it, just do it. No more scarcity, because who ever needs anything can get it, no strings no debts no worries. We have systems today that can automate anything, burger king could totally automate their restaurants, you plug in what you want and the machine cranks it out. There are millions of people in this country alone who if given an unlimited supply of hardware and shop equipment would build anything they needed, and for their friends and so on. What limits us is the artificial scarcity created by the monetary system. Money, politics, military, laws these are all now obsolete, and either people like you are going to have to wake up to that fact, or we go into a global civil war and another dark ages or make the long over due quantum leap into what man has evolved to be. Free Now back to your point, if underground sewer pipe cost no money, only the resources to build it which are only dependent on the time it takes to get the materials and the people and the machines to do it. I ask you is it so absurd? Financial analysis is not needed because money is not a factor in a resource based economy and the only thing that is deceptive is the current system of money, politics, military and scarcity. We live on a planet of abundance, if managed correctly and used wisely. Peace, Seth

Fresh Garlic cut the clove and rub it on the acne. Plus find out if he's regular, skin conditions are often linked to digestive problems. Seth

Regardless of scripture VPW certainly wasn't the original in many of his views. Alistair Crowley: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley Frank Buchman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Buchman

More information and solutions: Tellus Institute - For a Great Transition

Owned

Did you watch the movie? It is not human nature to be violent, there is no human nature, there is human behavior, and human behavior is influenced by environment. The superstition that there is an ethereal battle being waged between god and the devil and we humans are caught in the middle is just part of the over all story your owners want you to believe. Laws have never influenced human behavior in a healthy way, laws are put in place to bind people by the owners of this world. The current environment cannot support love on a widespread basis. You are right, nothing changes if nothing changes, the current environment is unsustainable and will have to collapse, The Venus Project is offering a re-engineering of our society in that inevitable occurrence. If we open our minds to the possibilities and get started now with these ideas we will be in a better place when this society does collapse, and it's sooner then you think. I'm raising the alarm not to monger fear, but give information to people so they can decide for themselves and see that the monetary economy is no longer a sustainable viable means to provide for a healthy and peaceful society. Well the monetary system was never designed for healthy or peaceful existence anyway, but that's a topic for another time. What is needed is a resource based economy where everyone is given truly equal opportunity to create the life they want, without the fear of scarcity and limited resources. There is over abundance in this world, scarcity is an illusion a story told by the owners of this world, if you buy into it you are owned. The difference between people like you and people like me is I know I'm owned, and who owns me and I act accordingly I stay awakened to the fact and look for a way out to escape monetary slavery. "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe It's like Albert Einstein once said. "The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe." Love and Peace, Seth

Did any of you watch it all the way through?

Just visit this web site. The Zeitgeist Movement I'm very saddened that so far you have missed the point. Seth

For me the First Zeitgeist movie was moving and awesome. It left me hanging though, with a question of what's next? It was clear that the same paradigm that I grew up with was not the answer. A new evolution needs to happen. We are about to move into a Planetary Civilization, and if the transition is successful life for our children and grandchildren and onward will be unlike anything we ever dreamed of. It's going to take willingness to change, and a lot of courage because the last century resisted the transition. We are on the cusp of a collapse of the old civilization, the end of the world for some but the beginning of a new society for me and millions and billions of people. Some aren't going to go with out a fight, but the enlightened will welcome it. So without further adieu, Zeitgeist: Addendum

The 2 drink minimum, er-uh limit, was also for WOW's and I did my best to have no more then 2 40 ounce beers on Sunday doing my laundry... :) On a more serious note, for an alcoholic 2 drinks is an annoyance it's more trouble then it's worth. Looking back it's a wonder how I stayed dry on the WOW field it was serious torture, every other Friday Sam would come over with a 6 pack of Micky's big mouth and I got two he got two and Mark got two. Just enough for a little buzz, but it took a lot of effort to keep me from walking to the circle K across the street, and buying more. So for non-alcoholics it's easy to stop at 2. But then again why even have a rule? Rules are just for breaking anyway. Maybe that was the point. Seth

I do not take that as a contradiction or disrespect, it's just more information. Usually "the present truth" is just the spin on the past truth. So what I was told I completely accept as being wrong information, after all it is TWI we are talking about. Thanks for the update, Seth

Enron? You can go further back then that, almost 100 years ago when stock market speculation was in it's heyday, in the 1920's where people were making millions (today would be hundreds of millions) on a 10% margin. The JP Morgan's and Rothschild's and Rockefeller's, big money and bankers used the collapse of the small banks to buy up the debt and consolidate more of the wealth into less hands. They might be seen as competitors but they were all friends and even family, this kind of thing has been happening through out history, but in particular within the last 100 years we can see an escalation in occurrences. It is not surprising to me what's happening, and as we approach the teens and twenties of this century I can't help but think we are headed for a 1929 style collapse again. Why? Because the grand children of the people who engineered the 1929 collapse are in the same position to do the same thing. Again. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Seth

The Bottom line is we need to get rid of the Federal Reserve which is a private bank cartel that makes "money" or Fiat Currency from debt. We need to get back to a value based currency and not the current debt based currency. Prices aren't going up, the value of the dollar is going down. Believe it or not if we were still on the Gold Standard a barrel of Crude Oil would be about $4, a Gallon of Gas about 10 cents, and the Bailout for these banks, well it would have never been needed, but if so only $15 billion. This is based on the price of gold in 1920 which was around $20 an ounce. Seth

Yes I understand, it makes sense. Something I noticed in the real world is that anyone can have any of these symptoms but not be involved with an abusive group. So comes the question, does the cult induce these, or attract people with these. From my experience I would have to say about 50/50, certainly as outreach and witnesses we wanted to get and help anyone, some of the folks I worked with during my WOW year needed psych meds more then Jesus. Which brings me to my next topic/question. Have you worked with people who on reflecting realize they weren't searching for anything until they were told that something was missing? As I look back the need to search was manufactured for me, and the illusion of needing to find God and get saved were made worse by everyone opposing my desire to find what I didn't know I needed until I was told I did. The problem of cults specifically and religion in general is they make up a product or a story about the product I call that the Big Story, and then in order to sell the Big Story they need to convince you that you are a character in that story, that you need the product. If I don't accept the story, they tell me another story for free, it's a short story but it's about what happens to those who don't buy the Big Story it's a commercial. I mean it's like laundry soap commercials, I use whatever I buy on sale that doesn't make me itch, but if I watch a laundry soap commercial I might find out that my clothes are 10% dingier then clothes washed with XYZ brand. So now I have a need I didn't know I had, now I need to find this XYZ brand because I don't want to go to laundry hell. I suspect people are more likely to research different laundry soaps more then they research the religion they are involved with or are about to get involved with and do the comparison. Hardly anyone I know has taken time to actually do some comparative religion and see how similar they all are, most only know what their Pastor or Priest tell them. Most people raised in religion are taught to believe in God, Jesus and Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Faerie one by one they stop believing in them except for God and Jesus. My question is why? How is the story of Jesus any more valid then Santa Clause? I have yet to have anyone answer sanely and authoritatively certainly they have no references outside of the scripture. Why? Sorry for the slight derail. Seth