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Maybe we're not thinking in the right direction. Maybe a clue instead of a quote would help....

Meanwhile, I'll take a wild swing on your show. "Family Affair"?

"I have a friend at Starfleet Intelligence. And she has a friend who has a cousin who's married to the assistant of one of the members of the Federation Medical Council." "Really?" "And according to my friend, her friend heard something from his cousin that his wife heard from this council member that I thought you might find interesting." "Which is?" "Doctor Wade is not going to win the Carrington." " 'If they want their money back, give it to them.' " "Rom! I have got a plan." "Does it involve me brother?" "Not really." "Ah... I like it." "Rom, do you know what this means?" "Yes. It means we're going to have to memorize a whole new set of Rules." "So I told her where she could get all the stem bolts she needed... at wholesale." "So how does it feel to be the youngest nominee in the history of the Carrington award?"

Closest I can find is "Do you live near a graveyard?" http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...ountain++waters

My guess is that he requested such a song. We know he was at least slightly involved, since he introduces the album. Tom, meanwhile, doesn't play that song anymore, but he does play others, like "Lord may I always be true to that call, I want to be part of your story, And Lord may I serve you with all of my all, Till I stand before you in glory."

With that one very notable exception, the other themes, according to vpw and Bullinger both, are all written in the stars. The idea that the stars were placed by God precisely where He wanted them (and I dare you to say He did otherwise), and then later He ascribed meaning to the constellations already in place, or reshuffled the stars into new constellations, to me smacks of trying very hard to defend odd theologies while trying to justify verses that contradict it. (That includes theologies that limit God's knowledge.) Which changes the design HOW? God designed for what He thought would be good, including what He thought would be needed. Since He's All-Knowing, I trust Him to design for things that didn't exist yet. This idea that the only 2 possible positions are 1) trust your conscience 100% and ignore logic and 2) ignore your conscience and trust only logic is a False Dilemma. The truth of the matter is that the conscience is a warning indicator, to point out dangers and pitfalls. Can the conscience mis-identify? Sure. That's why you add THINKING to the system. Not adding thinking is just plain silly. DISMISSING the conscience and only going by logic- and, to be honest, external arguments- is to deny one warning system that alerts even when a threat hasn't been fully articulated. Without it, you're prey to any convincing-sounding argument.

My earliest memory of Dr Who on PBS was Who3- Jon Pertwee, the guy with the white curly hair, lace collar, and sci-fi car. Patrick Traughton was the guy with the flute and the bowl haircut like Moe from the Three Stooges. Was there really a time when he was the Doctor and it was popular in the US? Wow.

"Van Helsing"??

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know there were 2 different places. The Fine Arts and Historical Center was set up in that big house as a museum. That one I visited.

So, you don't believe the doctrines of vpw and Bullinger that God wrote His Word in the stars? If so, all the themes were already written, whether or not Man had been TOLD their contents. I also missed the complete relevance of Adam and Eve to this thread, please clarify.

In 1988, Acts 29's FOURTH album was in the twi bookstore, and was almost certainly released in the past 2 years. If it was released in 1988, and they had released all 4 one a year, the first would have been released in 1985. I suspect it was released a little earlier. The albums are, in order: "Acts 29", by Bob Stanley, "Ready for Anything", by Bob Stanley and Acts 29, "It's Hot", by Acts 29. "God First," by Acts 29. I never got a 5th album from them, and am unsure there WAS a 5th album. I know there were newer songs, or at least 1: "Real Life." It may never have been released on an album. The first album had as much of a country feel as a folk rock feel. The second was soft rock-folk rock. The last 2 were rock through and through. (I can still hear the opening guitar riff on the song "It's Hot".) Breakthrough had released their third about 1989-1990, and, AFAIK, it was carried at Gartmore but not at hq. Their list was "Breakthrough", "A Thought Away", and "On Track". When hq did their music challenge, the title track "A Thought Away" was one of the songs entered. Of course, there were also LOTS of musicians who released albums while in the ministry, and you could buy them at an ROA if you kept your eyes open while walking around. I bought a BUNCH of those. That's how I got Tom Burke's second album, "A Fistful of Scriptures." ("Chuck Norris, Clint Eastwood, Sylvester Stallone....") One of our corps posters said vpw told them once that he'd originally considered three fields of endeavour to enter: ministry music/entertainment business It was also commented that he managed to shoehorn in all 3 eventually. Since vpw was a musician in high school, and could play a guitar, he apparently felt qualified to run the musical arm of twi. He had already learned, back in his radio show days (if Mrs W's book "Born Again to Serve" can be believed) that youngsters doing music could interest other youngsters, at least a little.

Yes it is, making this your move, natch. (Me, I'm just frustrated- I should have named "Sultans of Swing", and just didn't check in time to catch "Smugglers Blues.")

It is not.

I thought these were the quotes that would to start ringing a bell. "So you're my replacements. A dandy and a clown!" During "the Three Doctors", when all 3 Doctors were crossed in time, this was what the First said to the other 2. William Hartnell died shortly after this special. They rewrote the script so he could participate. He was supposed to be a full adventurer, but he was suffering from dementia at times, wasn't up to the running around, and his memory often clicked off. So they rewrote the script so he was able to fill his scenes seated, with cue cards right next to the camera, and he sounded perfectly intelligent as he advised the other 2 Doctors. There was also one scene filmed of him in his garden. The other Doctors rehearsed to respond to the prefilmed Hartnell scenes so it seemed they were all on together. The promotional pics showed them all standing together, which he was able to do. Mrs Hartnell said he was delighted to participate, and it meant a lot to him to do so. "When I say, 'run', run. RUN!" The Second Doctor said that a LOT. "... If you are him it should fit. That settles it!" "I'd like to see a butterfly fit into a chrysalis case after it spreads its wings." The Doctor after a "regeneration." For those unfamiliar with Doctor Who, The Doctor (no other name) is a TimeLord from Gallifrey. The TimeLords travel through time and space in their craft. The Doctor's first companion named his craft TARDIS-Time And Relative Dimensions In Space- since it's bigger on the inside than the outside. When a Gallifreyan is fatally wounded, he/she goes into hibernation, and leaves hibernation looking completely different. (This happened every time a different actor was going to play The Doctor.) "Oh, I see you've re-decorated, I don't like it. You haven't been trying to play this have you?" "The Three Doctors", 2nd Doctor to 3rd Doctor, upon viewing the TARDIS control room and his own recorder flute. “The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” "“First things first, but not necessarily in that order.” ""What are we going to do now?" "Keep it confused, feed it with useless information. I wonder if I have a television set handy?" The second (funnier) Doctor, during the crisis in "the Three Doctors". ""Nothing to do with you surprises me any more." "Thank you for the compliment." "The Brig" of UNIT, upon discussion with both Doctors he knew, "the Three Doctors." ""So why don't you consult those all-powerful superiors of yours?" "Oh, right now they're far from superior. That's why they left it up to me and me and me." "The Brig", again, addressing the Doctor. He was referring to the TimeLords, who resorted to a desperate tactic by bringing the Doctor's other selves from their own times. "The Three Doctors" was a really famous story in Doctor Who. I vaguely recall seeing part of it when it aired in the US originally. (Very vaguely, I didn't have an introduction to him and couldn't follow the story without one.) I was getting ready to post quotes from the Fourth Doctor, the one with the scarf.

You watched the black-and-white Dr Who episodes with the First Doctor???? I wasn't sure they aired them in the US.....

That's what we're here for, Listener. (Despite the claims of some people who just show up and attack the posters.)

Did you mean "Is VPW a Doctor"? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...7&hl=doctor Or "the grifters"? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...amp;hl=grifters Or "Who was Victor Paul Wierwille"? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...mp;hl=wierwille Or "VP's Basketball Career"? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...p;hl=basketball Or " "Dr" Wierwille, phoney as a 3-dollar bill"? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...mp;hl=wierwille Or the one I THINK you meant- "Superman? Green Lantern?" http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...amp;hl=superman Or another one?

"So you're my replacements. A dandy and a clown!" "When I say, 'run', run. RUN!" "... If you are him it should fit. That settles it!" "I'd like to see a butterfly fit into a chrysalis case after it spreads its wings." "Oh, I see you've re-decorated, I don't like it. You haven't been trying to play this have you?" “The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” "“First things first, but not necessarily in that order.” ""What are we going to do now?" "Keep it confused, feed it with useless information. I wonder if I have a television set handy?" ""Nothing to do with you surprises me any more." "Thank you for the compliment." ""So why don't you consult those all-powerful superiors of yours?" "Oh, right now they're far from superior. That's why they left it up to me and me and me."

"I have a friend at Starfleet Intelligence. And she has a friend who has a cousin who's married to the assistant of one of the members of the Federation Medical Council." "Really?" "And according to my friend, her friend heard something from his cousin that his wife heard from this council member that I thought you might find interesting." "Which is?" "Doctor Wade is not going to win the Carrington." " 'If a customer asks for his money back, give it to him.' " "Rom! I have got a plan." "Does it involve me brother?" "Not really." "Ah... I like it."

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Without a LOT of digging into the life of any one of them, I could not even make an EDUCATED GUESS whether they would or not. I'd say the same of you. Your guess is not an educated one. (And even an educated guess is no guarantee.) I think it's a good question, though. I also think it's a good question to wonder how many of the heretics would have died for a more orthodox Christian.

I agree, but I also think a secondary consideration was that ROAs provided a free flow of information before the internet was popular. You could meet face-to-face and ask how things were going with friends from other places. That's bad for twi- they have to control all information in order to pretend they make sense. But yes, I believe the main reason was money. lcm's stated reason was something that went back to the 70s and was never fixed, so the sudden outrage 20 years later-without a lawsuit- was obviously a smokescreen. And anyone know about the "Way Fine Arts and Historical Center"? I only visited the thing once.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4772653.html May 3, 2007, 2:35PM Skywalkers in Korea cross Han solo By BO-MI LIM Associated Press Writer © 2007 The Associated Press SEOUL, South Korea — They came from all over the world, poles in hand, and feet ready to inch more than half a mile across a high wire strung over the Han River in a spine-tingling battle of balance, speed and high anxiety. As part of its annual city festival, the South Korean capital staged Thursday what was billed as the world's first high-wire championship, drawing 18 contestants from nine countries for three days of supreme feats of concentration. Each acrobat must navigate the 1.2-inch-thick wire that spans the river, with the top prize of $15,000 going to the person crossing it fastest. The contestants — 14 men and four women — include such masters of the high wire as Jade Kindar-Martin of Shelburne, Vt., a former Cirque du Soleil performer who once crossed London's River Thames at a height of 150 feet, and Colombia's Alan Martinez, who ambled across the Amazon. They will face Adili Wuxiuer of China — the world record-holder for distance who walked on a wire nearly a half-mile across the Chongqing Cliff at a height of 2,250 feet in 2003. Organizers in Seoul said stringing the wire across the Han made it the longest-ever such high wire, meaning anyone making it across will break the record for distance. The iron cable was supported by 72-foot-high towers on either bank of the river. A safety net was deployed under the sections of the wire over the riverbanks; otherwise the walkers faced a plunge into the swirling gray water. Alexey Marchenko of Russia was one of two competitors who lost his balance and fell into the river Thursday with only 164 feet to go. Some in the crowd screamed as he splashed loudly into the Han, followed about a second later by his pole. Damp and disqualified, Marchenko appeared unhurt as he chatted with rescuers in a motor boat that had scooped him from the water. All the contestants wore life vests. The main wire — with yellow flags every 82 feet — was supported by stabilizing lines to keep it from swaying sideways, but it sagged under its weight across the middle of the river, meaning the drop to the water was actually much lower. Thursday's first competitor — Kwon Won-tae of South Korea — glided across the wire to the cheers and applause of hundreds of people on each bank of the river that bisects Seoul. Kwon, a famous tightrope walker in South Korea, flinched when his balance was disrupted by the wind and birds before completing the walk in 17 minutes and 7 seconds. South Korea has a tradition of tightrope walking going back centuries, but the skill has recently experienced a renaissance after last year's hit film "King and the Clown," which featured a troupe of entertainers who became court jesters. In the movie, Kwon was a stand-in for the lead actor in tightrope walking scenes. In the Korean tradition, tightrope walkers use fans to maintain balance and also perform jumps and somersaults — while even cracking jokes to amuse their audience. There was no such high-wire high jinks Thursday as Kwon maintained a swiftly controlled pace and look of serious determination. "It's amazing. I am too shaken to speak. I feel like it was myself out there," said Song Won-sun, a businessman watching the event. "I am just worried that the wind will disturb the contestants." Fastest across Thursday was Abdusataer Dujiabudula of China, who seemed to dance over the wire as he finished in about 11 minutes. His loose-fitting red and gold costume fluttered in the breeze, and he high-fived a man on the high platform as he finished. "It feels very good. It feels all right. It was very tight," he said, adding that he got tired about two-thirds of the way across. Pedro Carrillo of Reno, Nev., said it would be "something very big" for him to complete such a distance. The 60-year-old acrobat has been wire-walking for 43 years. "I feel the wind, that's all I worry about," said Carrillo. "But I think I can keep going once I start." And so he did, completing the walk in 17 minutes and 7 seconds — the same time as Kwon. The winner of the competition will be announced Saturday.

It's neither show, and I'm fairly confident neither man appeared on this show, nor were asked to appear on this show.

I wish I'd said that...