WordWolf

Is this "On the Waterfront"?

Ok, next one. "Did the table do something wrong?" "No." "I'm glad you weren't that hard on Ensign Lopez." "He made a mistake. The duty roster was inaccurate." "Would you like to talk about what's bothering you? Or would you like to break some more furniture?"

Who was the psychopath- Liquidator Brunt?

So, let's see if I can put together a profile of what happened, as someone who missed all the real persecution, based entirely on the posts at the GSC, and some elementary Psychology and Sociology: First, the young and impressionable are sent off to twi's locations for 4 years. There, they learn blind obedience to the mog and moglets. They learn to snap out answers to questions based on twi books, and that success comes from confrontation, and keeping your boot on someone's neck, ruling by fear, and that inculcated by someone "finding problems" in your life, even if they had to INFLICT those problems or make them up. They learn that higher-ups demand menial labour from lower-downs. They're also taught that leadership consists of wearing a suit, flourishing a title, pretending to know it all and covering up ignorance with shouting and attacking any witnesses using the fear principles, and otherwise giving orders to be obeyed unquestioningly like THEY did, and receiving the Chief Seats and perks of office. Upon graduation, Mr Leader then is sent to some location with humans. There, he arrives and begins barking orders. His attempts to get to know people have NOTHING to do with service, but rather with establishing his rulership- either by establishing who's boss, or with "finding" problems and intimidating people into agreeing he found problems and solved them. He enjoys the perks of his office- which consist of demanding menial labour from others- babysitting, household chores, all kinds of stuff. Refusal to perform manual labour when "asked"/ordered is dealt with by use of intimidation and the fear principles. Either locals cooperate, or they do not. If they cooperate, everything plays into their plans. If they do not, then locals either leave and are slandered, or punishment is attempted to get them to fall in line. Those who accept it and fall in line serve as examples of what happens to those who don't, who are socialized to avoid confronting these scum. Those who refuse it are kicked out, and are slandered. This is then used as examples of what happens to those who didn't rebel, and who are socialized to avoid confronting these scum. Sound familiar? I bet some of you have specific incidents and names that sprang to mind. Evil performed in God's name is hardly new or revolutionary, but the SPECIFIC names change continually throughout all of recorded history.

Let's see, child, moron, failure, psychopath, as viewed by someone else... Ensign Nog, Engineer Rom, Quark?, but I forget who the psychopath would be.... Was this the episode where a handful of them tried to rescue Grand Negus Zek from the Jem'Hadar?

Thanks kindly. I knew I was just looking in the wrong place...

Moderators, where do I find the "block poster" setting? I know we've had the setting for years, but I've never run into a poster who was completely devoid of content in their posts before, who kept posting, and I'd like to read around them and read the content of the other posters. Please remind me where the control for that is- I didn't find it just now when I was looking...

"Plenty of girls and bands and slogans and lots of hoopla, but remember, no politics. Issues confuse people!" "I'm called Little... Buttercup... Poor Little... Buttercup... Though I could... never tell... why..." "Let's make tracks!" "The only tracks you'll be making are straight to the penitentiary!" "For the 2nd time, let's make tracks!" "The only tracks you'll be making are straight to the penitentiary!" "Some sort of delayed echo in here?" "Belgravia's such a small country. We'd beat them in a few hours." "Yes, and then we'd have to support them for years." "No thank you. I never use tobacco in any form." "That's the first time I've ever heard a cat purr in French." " 'Ghoti' is 'fish'? "See here. English phonetics. GH becomes F, as in 'tough' or 'laugh'. O becomes I as in 'women'. TI becomes SH as in 'ration' or the word 'nation'." "Boy! That was our closest call ever! I have to admit that I was pretty scared!" "I wasn't scared in the least." "Not at all?" "Haven't you noticed how we always escape the vicious ensnarements of our enemies?" "Yeah, because we're smarter than they are!" "I like to think it's because our hearts are pure." "Gosh, Economics is sure a dull subject." "Oh, you must be jesting, Dick. Economics dull? The glamour, the romance of commerce... Hmm. It's the very lifeblood of our country's society."

I think I know the team, but I'm trying to remember why they teamed.... I'm sure I'll remember soon....

Next time you see the movie, make a note of the names of the boxers mentioned in the begining. DD's dad was Battlin' Jack Murdock, and he was a small-time boxer who got in trouble when some criminals wanted him to throw a fight, and he didn't. Anyway, there's a number of boxers mentioned in the beginning- they're all names of Marvel comics staffers. The marquee also shows the match between John Romita and Jack Murdock. John Romita- both Jr and Sr- were longtime artists at Marvel, and fairly well-known. Back in the 80s, artists occasionally snuck into the art in Iron Man, t-shirts for the "JR Jr Fan Club." In the scene when that stick is being examined (I think it's that scene), one of the characters is named Quesada- no relation to Joe Quesada, current Editor-in-Chief (and head windbag, second only to DC's own Dan DiDio in empty bluster and talentless self-promotion.) Stan Lee's "Where's Waldo" moment comes when young Matt Murdock stops someone from crossing the street against the light- that was Stan Lee with the newspaper. My one complaint was Matt Murdock-with superenhanced hearing- comes home and blasts his radio. Shouldn't that be the same as someone with normal hearing with one of those huge concert speakers up to the ceiling, and turning THAT up? The story- Elektra & Bullseye especially- was taken from when Frank Miller wrote DD, and that's the best DD, IMHO, ever written (early 80s, and all DD is compared to that.) They even had Bullseye recite the line "You're good, but me? I'm magic" before dealing the fatal blow.

You got me. It drew from the best source material available, with one exception, it was pretty faithful to it, had a good script, good casting, successful action scenes, and a good soundtrack. Despite my own reticence on adaptations, I thought it was great. I'll pass along the inside joke they snuck in once the movie's named.

I thought this bore repeating.

Want to give them one more line, or should I go for it?

Glad you won't spoil the fun.... " Most Americans don't realize what we owe to the ancient Incas. Very few appreciate they gave us the white potato and many varieties of Indian corn." "Now whenever I eat mashed potatoes, I for one will think of the Incas." "Am I ever glad I take good care of my teeth!" "True. You owe your life to dental hygiene." "He's from Philadelphia." "How did you know?" "You dipped your diphthong. People from Philadelphia are known for that." "Would you like to come in for a glass of milk and cookies?" "I'm afraid it's rather late. Why, it's 10:30!" "What is it that no one wants to have yet no one wants to lose?" "A lawsuit!" "Correct!" "Did you hear about Greta Garbo? She dreamed one night she sprinkled 6 boxes of grass seed in her hair, and woke up moaning: "I vant to be a lawn!" "...give yourself up. We can get help for you... medical help!" "In prison? This, I do not believe. No, you must PAY for what you did to me, for forcing me to live like this: never again to know the warmth of a summer breeze, never to feel the heat of burning logs in vintertime! Revenge. That is what I need! Revenge! I will have revenge!" "The junior prom's coming up, isn't it?" "Yes, but... " "Well, we don't want you to be a wallflower, do we? Dancing is an integral part of every young man's education." "Where do you come from? Where do you go? What is your scene? Baby, we just gotta know!" "Are you a chick who fell in from outer space, Or are you real with a tender warm embrace? Yeah, whose baby are you?"

Well, I couldn't find any good quotes for the Banana Splits, so here's something else. " Most Americans don't realize what we owe to the ancient Incas. Very few appreciate they gave us the white potato and many varieties of Indian corn." "Now whenever I eat mashed potatoes, I for one will think of the Incas." "Am I ever glad I take good care of my teeth!" "True. You owe your life to dental hygiene." "He's from Philadelphia." "How did you know?" "You dipped your diphthong. People from Philadelphia are known for that." "Would you like to come in for a glass of milk and cookies?" "I'm afraid it's rather late. Why, it's 10:30!" Knowing this set of posters, I imagine someone's already got it! (Although I'm confident I'd need another set if I were guessing.)

And I say that to say to disregard the conscience categorically is a foolish thing and makes no more sense than to feel physical pain and to disregard that.. (And don't tell me some people weren't told to disregard THAT at twi- that's the kind of nonsense that someone, somewhere, was espousing. "You're confessing negatives, that you're not healed...") And the OTHER idea-that a conscience is simply a noise, a distraction, something to be disregarded and IGNORED is a dangerous doctrine, designed to leave one open for any "convincing-sounding argument"- like how God wants you to ignore your conscience completely, and obey the leader when HE says one thing and your conscience says something other (rather than evaluating both positions logically.) This idea that the only 2 possible positions are 1) trust your conscience 100% and ignore logic and 2) ignore your conscience and trust only logic is a False Dilemma. The truth of the matter is that the conscience is a warning indicator, to point out dangers and pitfalls. Can the conscience mis-identify? Sure. That's why you add THINKING to the system. Not adding thinking is just plain silly. DISMISSING the conscience and only going by logic- and, to be honest, external arguments- is to deny one warning system that alerts even when a threat hasn't been fully articulated. Without it, you're prey to any convincing-sounding argument.

Must be. To Quark's horror and Rom's delight. No, you forgot to account for the title. Grand-Negus Zek got ahold of one of the Bajoran Orbs of the Prophets. When he tried to see the future, the Prophets saw into him, didn't like what they saw, and "improved" him, making him a generous Ferengi.

Whiteside's book (which I still have SOMEWHERE) was more about visual art than about written compositions of any format, page for page. Whiteside's book was also about how to evaluate art to make sure it lined up with twi theology. That's why it included an example: a piece of art, and a critique of why it was considered spiritually "off"- the rigidity of the lines (the dancers' legs, and how they boxed in the violinist) and the darkened eyes (the violinist's eyes were done in black)- and how that makes a difference spiritually. I believe I bought that in 1988. ====== That book, BTW, was the apex of twi's foray into determining good and evil in art, from an intellectual perspective. It all goes downhill from there. For example, at ROA '89, after 4/5 of all twi members walked, there was a twi seminar on "the Word and writing". Was it an exposition on this very subject? No-it was entirely about "how to submit articles for the way magazine." Some people may consider it a complete coincidence that nearly the entire research staff of twi had just left, and twi was now pushing for all literate members to send in articles for printing. Some people may also consider it a complete coincidence that the "gmir" articles (the actual study items) had ended, and articles now had LOTS of BIG graphics and many pictures, almost as if they needed to stretch out the articles to fill an issue. Some of us would NOT consider those complete coincidences.

That's how I'm seeing it. I might say it, though, as "Too much grace without discipline is licentiousness, and too much discipline without grace is legalism. In balance, it is good."

"I have a friend at Starfleet Intelligence. And she has a friend who has a cousin who's married to the assistant of one of the members of the Federation Medical Council." "Really?" "And according to my friend, her friend heard something from his cousin that his wife heard from this council member that I thought you might find interesting." "Which is?" "Doctor Wade is not going to win the Carrington." " 'If they want their money back, give it to them.' " "Rom! I have got a plan." "Does it involve me brother?" "Not really." "Ah... I like it." "Rom, do you know what this means?" "Yes. It means we're going to have to memorize a whole new set of Rules." "So I told her where she could get all the stem bolts she needed... at wholesale." "So how does it feel to be the youngest nominee in the history of the Carrington award?" "You're about to read the shining triumph of my life. The one thing I'll always be remembered for." "Never place profit before friendship." "Latinum tarnishes, but family is forever." "Money can never replace dignity."

Obviously. Which surprises me, since I could have gotten it by now.

Ok, tragic replacement. That's 3 shows I can think of. 90's- that eliminates one show. The other two were both set in NYC, which your initial quote suggested. I was going to go with one, but on reflection I'm going with the other. "NEWSRADIO."

Now THAT was a memorable line! I'm going to wait a bit and see if any new faces peek in and see this, and can identify it.

You presuppose this means there WAS no conscience. So, they either were missing any internal warning system, or did not HEED any internal warning system, and fell victim to the "convincing-sounding argument" the serpent used, and thought what they were doing was acceptable. I agree. And I think this is a GREAT example of how that process works- which explains why it was so successful when vpw said to ignore the conscience. Bravo.

That's the logical fallacy "argument from silence", or "argumentum e silentio". "Argument from Silence is an informal logical fallacy where a positive conclusion is drawn from someone's silence. For example, if one's opponent in a debate does not respond to an argument, it would be a fallacy to conclude that he or she cannot counter the argument." "The argument from silence (also called argumentum a silentio in Latin) is generally a conclusion based on silence or lack of contrary evidence. In the field of classical studies, it often refers to the deduction from the lack of references to a subject in the available writings of an author to the conclusion that he was ignorant of it." Under your reasoning, we can make an equally strong case that the church fathers never went to the bathroom, since there's no writing or record of one of the church fathers doing so. The rest of your argument is that none of them would ever die for a heretic, because I see no reason for them to die for a heretic, therefore they wouldn't see a reason to, either. You're assuming they thought exactly like you think now. You SUPPOSE they wouldn't because if you were them, YOU would not. Which is a lot like saying "I wouldn't abuse my offfice if I were in charge of a large group of Christians, therefore that leader would never have done so!" But a number have, because they're not you....