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Thanks for summing that up for us Sunesis. I totally agree.

moony3424, Thank you for posting on this subject and since you do work in a hospice, have you witnessed how people go when they are denied food AND water? If so, would you be able to answer this: 1) Are they in pain? 2) Would you describe anyone you've seen in this condition as "peaceful"? 3) How can you tell if the patient is conscious? Just to clarify, these are general questions, not about Mrs. Schiavo.

moony, I appreciate your position, but would you be willing or able to answer questions in the PT's? WB

I wouldn't want to live that way either, but they could have at least given her some water. Sigh.

Boy, this is a strange occurrence. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/31/station.d...y.ap/index.html

These people have a ministry to people in comatose state and say when patients "wake up" they could hear and understand everything that went on: http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/artic...art.html?ID=404

Galen, was Ginger still with twi a few yrs. ago?

ok. i'm all ears

Mr. P-Mosh, thems strong words, son!

Interesting article--Neurologists say autopsy won't prove or disprove vegetative state: http://www.medpagetoday.com//tbindex.cfm?tbid=789 If you click on "Neurology" on the left side, the article will pull up at the top, but apparently you have to login now to read it. Sorry.

Ex70's, I did not mean to make light of your feelings. I understand them very well and totally appreciate your commitment and sentiments. I'm not advocating that you should threaten her with divorce, only that you find someway to establish your boundaries. Is there anyway for you to open up a dialogue and tell her "This is the way I feel about fill-in-the-blank?" That way you let her know how you feel about your issues and the ball is in her court to respond. Apparently, from what I've been taught from a qualified Christian counselor, "I feel" statements are not threatening to the other person and you can even say "You don't have to say anything. I just would appreciate it if you would listen to my feelings on this subject." The ladies in my network group say this really helps to diffuse tension just to throw it out there and tell them how you feel in non-threatening language (e.g. "When you do or don't do this, it makes me feel unappreciated or whatever your feelings are.") Anyway, hope this helps.

Ex70's, If you answer these questions, it would help me to understand the situation better: 1. Do you both work full-time jobs? 2. Who normally does most of the cooking/cleaning/grocery shopping/handling the bills (getting them paid on time)/laundry/childcare, etc? I mean, does she sit at home all day watching soap operas, you work all day, then you always do all of the housework too? If so, I'd be really po'd too. Or, does she work a full-time job, usually does all of #2 by herself, but you did it all this time?

Ex70's, Hi. I agree with the above posters. Many times when we talk things out, we discover our spouse doesn't think the way we thought they thought after they express their thoughts and feelings. Much can be hidden from those we love when we hold things in. For example, she may be upset about something that you don't know about because of a false impression she may have about how you think about issue. Maybe it's the other way around. These are just possibilities that come out in counseling sometimes. Also, I disagree that Jesus has put us under the law in this or any other area. If you're feeling like you are, maybe there is another voice from twi days still in your head. It takes time to distinguish between them sometimes. But, if you're feeling like you have no options and you're boxed in, chances are that's coming from some left-over stuff from them.

Exactly right, Oeno. I agree with all you have said. Good thread!

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You have to copy and paste in the formula to highlight something.[/font] OK. Now I know what I did wrong. I left in the #. You have to delete the # also along with the Fs and 0s and then type in your highlight color that you want.[/font]

Raf, can you do another color?. It's not working for me so far when I type in "pink" in place of the fs and 0s. Ok. I'm changing "background color" for turquoise instead of the fs and 0s. Here goes: didn't work I can only get it to work in yellow so far[/font]

Something like this? hello[/font] or this?[/font] How do I get it to highlight in Steve!'s turquoise?

Paw, where is the highlight icon???????

YES!!! 'tis it! I like the blue one Steve! did, also. Cool.

Mr. P. I'm with ya brotha! I'm thinking about the same. WB

Kit, I saw that yesterday and I have been praying for her before and after seeing what he wrote. I think it is significant that so many people don't see anything wrong with someone subjected to inhumane treatment in this day and age. In someways, we are witnessing the backlash of medical advancement--we can keep her alive indefinitely, but we don't have good answers for what to do with someone in her semi-conscious state. I agree with Pres. Bush--let us err on the side of life. No one would let their sick semi-conscious dog die like that. No one! As BOWtwi said, who is the only eyewitness on this board, Terri did feel pain every month during her periods because she groaned and everyone knew why. This is a very hard case--to say whether she should live shouldn't be up to someone who, for all intents and purposes, has another wife/family and will benefit by her death, IMHO. She is dying of thirst as well as hunger. Gee, what a way to go and in America, no less (my dog already ate twice this morning just because I couldn't remember if I'd fed her or not). mj, I do have a will which includes a living will. I am now questioning my husband carefully about what he would do if I were in such a state. I do know, it is not my wish to be starved to death.

Thank you, Paw, for Greasespot Cafe. It has changed my life in someways and I appreciate[/font] what you continue to do very much. How about adding a *yellow highlight* icon that we can use when we are posting things? That's all I can think of right now. Like this? yellow[/font]

How cute, Tom! Hey, Happy Easter everyone!!!!!

Thanks, TheEvan!