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Surely SOMEONE knows how to get in touch with Liz. We were really good friends for a LONG time and then we got out of the way and lost each other's address. If you have her email address, please let me know (or phone). THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKS! WB

Pat, Please check your pts. I sent you a couple of msgs. WB

Oldies quote: I would watch putting all of those adjectives together, if I were you. Some of them may apply to yourself (because you also were in the way). Just an observation... WB

I know what Valerie means about trying to share your life with people you have befriended. It just doesn't work with some people for me because a lot of the people I befriend are people who look like they NEED someone (I'm trying to get over that) so I try to "help." To accept that some people are sick emotionally or mentally or whatever it is for them is one of my new lessons. They just are not capable of non-selfish behavior at this stage in their lives. Another lesson is accepting that I will never get fill-in-the-blank from certain significant people in my life. Why? They just don't have it to give. For example, I would LIKE to be able to TRUST certain (or ANY) relatives to believe in me and to pray for me when I tell them things, but you know what, at this stage in my life I have none. Accepting that helps me. And, it's not easy to accept. I have very few friends I confide in but somehow there is alway at least ONE when I REALLY need to talk. And, I can't talk to all of them about the same things. Then, there are times when I can only talk to Jesus about certain things. That's not bad either. But, I know what some of you mean about WANTING a friend, a pal, and not feeling like you have that most of the time or being transparent and people using that against you. It hurts. WB

Sunesis, I've thought the same thing since I've been going to Al Anon. I truly believe anyone who wants to be delivered from the self destructive thinking that we either learned or had reinforced in the way would benefit from going to those meetings. We do not give each other pity, but rather study Al Anon literature and share how we have apply the 12 steps in our lives and how that leads to the way out of co dependent thinking and into sanity. Everyone doesn't share everytime. A lot of times I just listen and learn. I'm improving. WB

Sweetie, Radar said it better than I could, so I decided not to copy her whole post, but that's the best advice I could offer (what she said). No, I don't ever think of them when I think of healing. They're in opposite categories of my mind. Love you, WB

Thanks for bringing this up. I missed the post by Ala on this subject but have been thinking the same thing recently. I think most of us do or did have co dependent characteristics who were in the way. Also, in Beattie's book, she mentions that no two co dependents have all of the same characteristics but if you have a lot of them, you probably are. Here's another one, Imbus, that comes to mind often: If it's to be it's up to me. That used to take me down a very self-destructive path. I'm so very happy that now I've learned to LET the Lord arrange things and work situations out in his own time and way. Sometimes, many times, the most spiritual thing we can do is to pray about something and then leave it alone. Here's one I like better and try to remember: Get out of the way!! So true, and the little play on words ALSO so true! Wb

I'm a really big fan of Jennifer Anniston's but in the award night photo above, did she velcrow those things to her dress to keep them from sliding out, do ya think??? Just curious. I know, probably inappropriate.... Sorry ( ). WB

THANK YOU!!!! Same to you, sweet sister! WB

What books would you like, Glad?

I like him because he stayed faithful to his wife. Having said that, I'd have to be in JUST the right mood for it not to bother me if he disturbed my sleep (e.g. only on a week end or night before vacation at home). LOL. WB

Imbus, I'm gonna try yours with the non msg brats!

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This is a hoot: McCartney Disturbs Residents WB

Yum, Krys and DM, sounds DEElicious! E.W. Bullinger, DO TELL us how you make it. Love, WB

Cute, dm!

Everything sounds soooo gooood, everyone...and I KNEEEEEEEW I was gonna have to post this recipe, so here goes (and am happy to do so): Waterbuffalo's Chicken Divan 2 (10oz) pkg. frozen broccoli spears, thawed (the kind in butter is good but not a necessity) 6-8 cooked, boned chicken breasts 1 (10 oz.) can cream of chicken soup 1/2 c. mayo 1 8 oz. carton sour cream Large chunk of parmesan cheese (about 10 oz.) 2 t. lemon juice 2 t. curry powder 1/2 t. dry mustard 1/3 c. chicken broth pepper 1/3 cup milk Cook chicken breasts in water about 45 minutes (reserve broth). Make sauce by mixing sour cream, cream of chicken soup, mayonnaise, broth and add seasonings except the pepper. Grate the cheese. Dot the broccoli with butter if not using the kind in butter packet. Layer broccoli/parmesan/chicken/parmesan/sauce/parmesan. Sprinkle pepper over sauce. Sprinkle top layer with paprika. Bake 350 degrees for 35-45 minutes. Yum. WB

I know this may not be the appropriate place for this discussion, but was just wondering what you all fix as your FAVORITE company dish? Mine is Chicken Divan and it is sooooooooo good and everyone loves it. So, I just wondered, what do you cook as your special or trademark meal for guests? Also, I have a coconut cake recipe to LIVE for. What do you like to fix for dessert that's scrumptious and is also easy to fix (a necessity for me)? Wanta trade recipes? WB

Agreed. They would be sorta like "dry alcoholics" (people who grow up with alcoholic parents and take on their characteristics but they don't drink). LOL!!!!

Ohmygosh! Friends had the perfect ending!

Yeah, what did that one say, again????

Sounds like the fox in the hen house senerio to moi.

On second thought, this could apply to a lot of people. LOL!

Well, VERY interesting comments, all. Getting back to the alcoholic personality, let's see if any of these characteristics fit anyone we used to know to a tee: 1)Irritable most of the time 2)Argumentative 3)Flies off the handle at the most insignificant things 4)Always right 5)Snappy and cutting answers when none are called for 6)Misunderstands other people's motives 7)Forgets lots of things and says they were never told about this or forgets things that they did or said 8)Accuses others often When in a close relationship with an alcoholic, finding that you defend yourself quite often or that you can never please them is common. These are just a few of the characteristics I've noticed from my observations and studies (I go to Al Anon and it is GREAT). WB

...she was a Christian woman with kids and grandkids...I don't think it was about money...