Lifted Up

I just dont have any profound words to start this off with, but I thought it was time to get a rememberance going this morning. Something of course that is above politics; i.e. all the who was to blame, what should we have done to prevent it, what should we have done following, can be left for discussion in the political forum for anyone who desires. Of course, I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when I heard...like 11/22/63.

Dunno...but I don't think Jesus ever borrowed David's nice warm barclava and lost it on LEAD like I did.

In the case of the deprogrammings from TWI that I know about, I don't think there is any DESIRE to "break' someone. The cause is noble...we are paralyzed by mind control, therefore we need to be held against our will until we are freed of the mind control and can think for ourselves. In my case, I was not deprived of sleep or bathroom privileges or food. It was more like two or more on one (never one on one) reasoning sessions to "help" me see how I couldn't think for myself as long as I was in TWI. Still, yes, I was kidnapped and held...no option to leave. It "succeeded" to the point where i stayed out of TWI...but only because I was basically afraid to do anything in my life. But I could never accept in my mind what they were "telling" me during that time.

It's nice to see someone (Scott Lewis) pitch 8 innings of 3-hit shutout baseball in his ML debut, especially if it's for your team.

I don't know if there is too much of a "group" of us around these days, at least on GS. And I don't know if there is anyone (besides you) around with much interest in hearing my (or anyone else's) story any more. But, I will go into it for you, either here or privately, before too long when I hit the right combination of mood and time. I 'll say a thing or two here now... If you have stuff shoved down your throat, as I had, you develop a mistrust for what was shoved, and a mistrust of those responsible for doing the shoving, whether or not the stuff that was shoved is true. In short, it is not the way to leave. This view is not unanimous with those who have gone through the experience; there are those who were thankful for being "rescued"... But to me it would have much better had I been allowed to make my own decisions about TWI. I know the moderator of a busy anti cult forum has the same view I do after having gone through a deprogramming (not from TWI). I was told that my deprogramming was needed because neither I nor anyone else could ever leave TWI on their own, as we were so controlled. That has of course been proven false by the many who have left on their own. Yet, we are each different and had different experiences. When I read Kristen's account, I know it took an awfully strong love to help get her out without the deprogramming route. How life would have turned out for her has that been attempted is not up to me to speculate. But if that is what it would have taken to get her out after the hell she went through, I would have had no problem accepting that. BTW, I myself lament the lack of others who have gone through a deprogramming to talk or e-talk with, no matter what their past or current view of their experience. Several years ago I made an attempt to contact Barrie Hill (her name then), with whom I remember a very brief but interesting encounter at my last ROA, but that was unsuccessful.

Yes, I'd say it is a personal choice. Though someone else may or may not choose to reveal him/her self, I see it is very important to you at this point, and I congratulate you!

Well, Vicki, I'll have to think about that one. I have done everything BUT reveal myself publically. I use my name in all private messages, I post my e-mail on my profile, and a couple people have called me by my first name in chat, which is fine with me. I CAN see how some other people would have much bigger concerns than mine about revealing. For myself, I am totally delighted at knowing you or anyone else as a real person. For anyone else, since I have of late tried to find out more about the abuse people in TWI have suffered, I am very careful at not expecting anyone to reveal themselves, even if I give my name first in private messages.

Dunno, seems all we have so far are questions. Oops, my mistake, there is one who, after admitting not knowing anything about it, explains how bad it is.

I look at this a little different way. If I am not convinced someone is telling the truth about abuse, it means I don't know either way. And that is why I have generally kept any doubts to myself; there have been a few exceptions, but mostly I keep them in private messages. Why? Because even if I don't know for sure, I don't want to risk hurting someone by advertising my doubts. UNLESS...if I have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that people were NOT abused...then I don't risk hurting someone by expressing my doubts. Maybe that should be our question. Do you have proof that the abuse did NOT happen? then why risk hurting people...even one person...by emphasizing so often and emphatically that abuse hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Meanwhile, a lot of my doubts have been recently removed.

Since I somehow missed this until I happened to see him online today and went to his profile and saw what I missed... YES!!!!!!!!!!!! that makes his the longest birthday in history.

Why is it, though I profess to be halfways knowledgable of old movies, that every old one lately isnt one I've seen? Probably still stunned by the last oldie I knew but had a brain fart when the quote was popped (The Great Escape). Anyway, let 'er fly... ...and why is it I cant seem to make a post lately on any forum without winding up editing some silly typo?

I do remember Vin working some with Jerry Dogget in some of those long ago years. That is, I remember the name well and that he was paired with Vin, but though my memory is a little fuzzy, I don't remember hearing too much from Jerry.

Anyone ever dream about winning a lot of money, say in the lottery? You imagine yourself with all that money and think about the things you would do with it. Maybe you almost see yourself on a vacation at some never-thought-possible vacation spot. Or maybe you feel happy at the big donation you would be able to make to some very vital cause. Anyone ever picture themself being abused? At thinking how horrible and violated you would be to have things done to you, say, as were done to Kristen? Maybe not too many people "dream" about that. But for many of us, more so us men I know, it is the only way to feel a tiny bit of how horrible it is. I don't even know if I do a very good job of it, but I know Kristen did a doggone good job of writing in a way that we could feel her pain, if only just a bit of it. By the way Twinky, your chair tieing proposal won't work, and my remark has no relation to the people you mentioned. It sure didn't work with me in my deprogramming...I wasn't literally tied to a chair but I may as well have been.

One of the oddball little details I remember from my youth...oddball only because I remember it from that many eons ago...was from somewhere around 1960, Don Demeter dropped a fly ball, and Vin employed his listening fans to do him a favor and not be too harsh on Demeter.

He, along with Joe Paterno coaching my Lions, help keep me thinking young, knowing that they were at their current jobs before I was BORN. Which event, BTW, took place in Long Beach CA.

Like I said...

Now THERE'S a name from my old Dodger past! The shortest "out of the park" home run I ever saw was one I hit. In my lower teens, when visiting relatives in Erie, PA, I used to play with one of my cousins and his friends at a cemetary. Anything onto or over the roads was a home run. Well, it so happened the road in right was doggone close...I'm thinking a hundred feet or so...and I popped a few over. I think it was druing my interim corps year as a Philly WOW that I watched the Phillies and Cubs on TV play at Wrigley (The one in Chicago of course). It was a game that went into extra inning tied at 21. During that game there were come afully weakly hit popups that did go the distance, but only because they were carried by a strong wind blowing out. I'm sure that's happened at other times though. yea, I took a little time off from witnessing once in a while that year!

I would like to be optimistc, but if they are bumping Kristen off for tomorrow for that reason, Ike is going to be bigger news later this week. I'd send Fox a note about it if I hadn't already sent them one yesterday; they should get my idea from that (if anyone there ever reads the note in the first place). Anyway, thanks Kristen and Paw for letting us know, it is kind of a big operation at that time of morning right in the middle of getting our two remaining high schoolers ready, so at least this time I wont be trying to squeeze it in then discover it isn't on.

My Indians lost to KC tonight, but Cliff Lee should get number 21 tomorrow.

The local meadia, especially the Washington Post, would often refer to the Senators as the "Nats" anyway. I rememebr headlines such as "Indians spoil Nats' operner with four in ninth"... and "Nats 'lose' after three out in ninth" (refered to a lost third strike) (and both were games I was at) Anyway, ref my little reply to you in the political forum; the air is much more livable here!

Let's get Rocky on this thread. We'll make him admit that FoXNews DOES have something good on once in a while!!!!!!! :)

I make pretty good calls, but still not everyone can hear them. On the theory that everyone, including the outfielders, shouls be able to know the count if they want (and the fact we dont have ball and strike scoreboards), I flash the count after every pitch...using, of course, the INDEX finger if i am indicating one ball or one strike, or, when asked, one out... :)

I just checked the score. Have you turned it off yet???

By the brief time we were together at HQ, I was long past my real Dodger fan days...I had gone to the Indians and through the Senators...but I was still seething slightly (and still am) at Bob Short for moving our team away...hear that, mr. Tom???

Poor guy. But I bet you are choosing to suffer the torture rather than leave it off. You glutton for punishment, you.