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Ten Years Ago -- July 1998

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Ten years ago, in early July of 1998........the advanced class was running at twi's hq. To help oversee the new students, inresidence corps were brought in from camp gunnison as branch coordinators. As twi events go, this one had all the same standard procedures and pecking order as usual.

Except for one glitch........

At this event, martindale set his sights on a corps woman, a married woman whose husband and children were back at camp gunnison, and this sexual encounter brought extreme confusion, hurt, and emotional distraught to this corps woman. As this *damage* spilled over to her corps brother, who took it upon himself to personally CONFRONT CRAIG.......the damage control liasons of twi, the gun-totting guys, were unleashed to get this corps guy packing and on a bus within the hour.

Others know much more of these details than me.......but it later involved a Colorado Court Case.

As the phones began ringing.....and word spread of this sexcapade involving martindale and this married corps woman, it left little doubt that THINGS WERE ROTTEN AT THE WAY INTERNATIONAL. For indeed, some of us truly believed that martindale and howard and don were sincerely committed to *cleaning up the way international* and taking this *prevailing word* (cough, cough) to all who wanted deliverance. Like his predecessor wierwille, here martindale had "a secret life of lust" and was preying on the young corps women......a married woman, no less.

MY FUTURE CHANGED.......with the knowledge of this!!!!!

IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE TWI.

Sure, I heard Cgeer's poop paper back in the day (of the power grab) .......but honestly, it was filled with SO MUCH pomp and arrogance of cgeer's "wisdom and accomplishments" that I could barely hear what he was saying. And then, with Schoenhxxt's adultery paper, the firings, the shenanigans of geer's now-you-see-me-now-you-don't.........I just wasn't ready to "jump ship" when that loyalty letter came out.

WHY NOW?? WHY THE CHANGE??.............Well, for one thing, I was ten years older and had plenty of time to assimilate the geer-martindale-offshoots splintering and all that. Plus, the homo purge and the micro-management and the "promised land of the prevailing word" brought MORE and MORE LEGALISM INTO TWI. So, when this martindale sexcapade event spilled out.....at the advanced class, no less.......with a MARRIED corps woman......and hearing subsequent information from others as this information opened insider information of twi......THE SCALES FELL FROM MY EYES.

So.............TEN YEARS LATER, what have I learned. Well.....Martindale was ousted two years after I left -- in 2000. And, Rosalie has done her best to squelch any information or anyone who want to resolve twi's dark issues. Plus, without a charismatic leader anymore........twi has resorted to *bringing back from the dead wierwille-idolatry and the over-the-top adulation of emeritus trustees. The Multi-Level Marketing administration is firmly in place and "business as usual" has gained residency once again.......as well as the "serf system," the corps program.

Notwithstanding that twi's sunday teachings are SO BORING, AND DULL, AND READ FROM THE LECTURN each week........imo, it gives rock-solid proof that the twi religion is dead.

Looking at life......TEN YEARS LATER......and life is so very good.

Fresh air and skying high.

skyrider

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I wonder about all the toadies that went out with guns drawn to chase off Loyboy's "attacker".

Gawd, what do they think NOW? Are they still proud of themselves for threatening and ousting a guy whose only crime was

defending a woman against a serial rapist? Really, what do these clowns think when they look themselves in the mirror?

The plagiarism, the lying and denegrating of anyone outside of the pack, the unabashed profiteering, the forced servitude, the sexual predation, and the shameless exploitation of virtually everyone that got involved, gee, wasn't it all just swell?

And we thought we were onto something so holy. Gawd, the irony...

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What I wonder.. when will the PTSD rear it's ugly head and these poor women eventually come out by the droves to finish loyboy and crew off..

I don't think loy will have quite the following, support, and "enforcers" to keep them off his back.

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I wonder about all the toadies that went out with guns drawn to chase off Loyboy's "attacker".

Gawd, what do they think NOW? Are they still proud of themselves for threatening and ousting a guy whose only crime was

defending a woman against a serial rapist? Really, what do these clowns think when they look themselves in the mirror?

The plagiarism, the lying and denegrating of anyone outside of the pack, the unabashed profiteering, the forced servitude, the sexual predation, and the shameless exploitation of virtually everyone that got involved, gee, wasn't it all just swell?

And we thought we were onto something so holy. Gawd, the irony...

Not sure about "all the toadies"......BUT at least six or seven Region Coordinators have exited twi's doors when the martindale "admission of an affair" and subsequent lawsuits came on the horizon.

Two guys, L@lly and P@n@rello,.......did stints as the Trunk Coordinator so guess that they hit the exit doors after martindale was ousted in 2000. But then, from what I've heard of these two.... LP still holds to twi teachings, doctrine, etc. for the most part.

Just seems like very few SHOUT FROM THE HOUSETOPS the twisting of scripture, the deceitful doctrines, the lewd behavior, the secret agendas, the wierwille idolatry, the pyramid of power, the raping and abortions, the wholesale plagiarism, the cult mentality and isolation, the use and abuse of way corps, the grooming of lcm/geer in the image of wierwille, etc..

How many splinter groups/ wierwille-imposters are there nowadays, anyway>??????

Geeez

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Ten years ago, in early July of 1998........the advanced class was running at twi's hq. To help oversee the new students, inresidence corps were brought in from camp gunnison as branch coordinators. As twi events go, this one had all the same standard procedures and pecking order as usual.

Except for one glitch........

At this event, martindale set his sights on a corps woman, a married woman whose husband and children were back at camp gunnison, and this sexual encounter brought extreme confusion, hurt, and emotional distraught to this corps woman. As this *damage* spilled over to her corps brother, who took it upon himself to personally CONFRONT CRAIG.......the damage control liasons of twi, the gun-totting guys, were unleashed to get this corps guy packing and on a bus within the hour.

Others know much more of these details than me.......but it later involved a Colorado Court Case.

As the phones began ringing.....and word spread of this sexcapade involving martindale and this married corps woman, it left little doubt that THINGS WERE ROTTEN AT THE WAY INTERNATIONAL. For indeed, some of us truly believed that martindale and howard and don were sincerely committed to *cleaning up the way international* and taking this *prevailing word* (cough, cough) to all who wanted deliverance. Like his predecessor wierwille, here martindale had "a secret life of lust" and was preying on the young corps women......a married woman, no less.

MY FUTURE CHANGED.......with the knowledge of this!!!!!

IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE TWI.

Sure, I heard Cgeer's poop paper back in the day (of the power grab) .......but honestly, it was filled with SO MUCH pomp and arrogance of cgeer's "wisdom and accomplishments" that I could barely hear what he was saying. And then, with Schoenhxxt's adultery paper, the firings, the shenanigans of geer's now-you-see-me-now-you-don't.........I just wasn't ready to "jump ship" when that loyalty letter came out.

WHY NOW?? WHY THE CHANGE??.............Well, for one thing, I was ten years older and had plenty of time to assimilate the geer-martindale-offshoots splintering and all that. Plus, the homo purge and the micro-management and the "promised land of the prevailing word" brought MORE and MORE LEGALISM INTO TWI. So, when this martindale sexcapade event spilled out.....at the advanced class, no less.......with a MARRIED corps woman......and hearing subsequent information from others as this information opened insider information of twi......THE SCALES FELL FROM MY EYES.

So.............TEN YEARS LATER, what have I learned. Well.....Martindale was ousted two years after I left -- in 2000. And, Rosalie has done her best to squelch any information or anyone who want to resolve twi's dark issues. Plus, without a charismatic leader anymore........twi has resorted to *bringing back from the dead wierwille-idolatry and the over-the-top adulation of emeritus trustees. The Multi-Level Marketing administration is firmly in place and "business as usual" has gained residency once again.......as well as the "serf system," the corps program.

Notwithstanding that twi's sunday teachings are SO BORING, AND DULL, AND READ FROM THE LECTURN each week........imo, it gives rock-solid proof that the twi religion is dead.

Looking at life......TEN YEARS LATER......and life is so very good.

Fresh air and skying high.

skyrider

Hey Skyrider,

I appreciate your perspective on this...

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When this all broke, a top leader at headquarters did some investigation and research finding 9 women that admitted to the “sexual ministering” of LCM. A couple of these women were very close to home. Not like those that went before; the ones that kept on salary while writing letters and traveled the country accepting money in the name of TWI to take the message through the back door and publicly declare the evils; this man went right to LCM. He and his were escorted off of grounds immediately! He knew the risk, but did what was right because that is the kind of man he is. He also testified in the custody hearing of what is known as the Colorado Lawsuit. Friends attended the hearing and watched as the current Springs leader’s wife testified TWI had no mark and avoid policy. Some of those that attended had been separated from family through the M&A policies.

Oh, and he is one of those horrible splinter group leaders; the trash they all are……..

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Ya, i remember this. Rev. P. Mosq... told me all about what happened and why he left. I'll never forget him for telling me these things, really made my life a lot clearer.

only problem was i didn't hear of it until LCM got sued... and said it was a "one" time affair. After this, I contacted P.Mosq... he told me what I needed to hear. The corruption and lies...

:) love him for that

I wish healing to all those that were hurt..

I would like to thank the man who confronted LCM, whoever he is, I think he is brave! He helped protect a lot of people from more hurt!

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A reason so many of those mini-mogs who were partaking in the "fruits" of leadership among our sisters in the faith fled like rats leaving a sinking ship after lcm was banished, is that it established a precedent that even at the most highest level, there was no true protection that twi could provide if someone spilled the beans on them and took them to court.  I doubt Rosie would have footed the bill for their legal defense even if they were the trunk coordinator.

Likewise, offshoots would be a natural fit and an easy transition for them to assimilate into, everything stays the same, no apologies needed, except vp is admired at a distance.  Everyone I've ever met who partook in the free sex movement of twi, whether married, male or female, still do it, the only difference is they do it also with unbelievers now.

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Likewise, offshoots would be a natural fit and an easy transition for them to assimilate into, everything stays the same, no apologies needed, except vp is admired at a distance.  

Hmmmmm. Let me think this one over.

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Ok. That's long enough. You're right.

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Ya, i remember this. Rev. P. Mosq... told me all about what happened and why he left. I'll never forget him for telling me these things, really made my life a lot clearer.

only problem was i didn't hear of it until LCM got sued... and said it was a "one" time affair. After this, I contacted P.Mosq... he told me what I needed to hear. The corruption and lies...

:) love him for that

I wish healing to all those that were hurt..

I would like to thank the man who confronted LCM, whoever he is, I think he is brave! He helped protect a lot of people from more hurt!

Yeah.......P Mosq.... came forward on Waydale and put together *an exit strategy* for anyone who wanted to extricate themselves from twi's vise-grip. He and Bev gave out their e-mail addy for a period of time to help.

Looking at the list of ex-corps coordinators........john l. and steve s. and paul m. and wayne c. and a few others......is an eye-opener to see how many have left twi. As "big names" go, it seems that bob moneyhands is about the only corps coordinator still associated with twi. But then, with his wife's connections they are set for retirement anyways.

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Flawless and well stated. Thank you.

Likewise, offshoots would be a natural fit and an easy transition for them to assimilate into, everything stays the same, no apologies needed, except vp is admired at a distance.  Everyone I've ever met who partook in the free sex movement of twi, whether married, male or female, still do it, the only difference is they do it also with unbelievers now.

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Do you think it is Vp that is being admired?

I think it is his work his books his research , Is it not his writing and beliefs that is the base line for all of the off shoots?

I think it changed because he is dead hard to esteem a person who has been dead for so long, so it is his writings etc.. "they admire" why is that do you suppose?

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I've read some of their materials..

"and I'm thankful for da *man* o gawd who taught us da gweatness of da wonderful, matchwess word.." as if he were some real kind of authority..

I haven't seen too much reference to his writings.

they still call him "Doctor" wierwille..

I really can't give him that kind of honor..

"junior" regards him as a hero, some kind of god..

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It's time! Actually it is probably past time. This story has surfaced in part from time to time over the years, but it has not been remembered with all the facts in the right place. I think that's because some prople know a little....and some others a little more....and others make a bridge between the former and the latter and do so in error.

I know much of this account - - but not everything. "That man"- - who stood up to loy was my son. Although it's been 10 years, my insides still shake at the remembrance of that horrible weekend....and the weeks that followed. Although I was then a grown woman - - my heart was crushed because "my kids" were hurt. "My kids" means my son and my daughter-in-law who before this, meant the world to me. I never met a sweeter girl than she was. Of all the ones my son hung around with, she was the best, or so I thought, and certainly the most beautiful creature I'd seen. I loved her with my whole heart - - and part of me still does.

This will be coming in parts, because it is so hard to tell. I didn't think it would be....but it is! Even now tears well up.

That orginazation was soooo evil. More evil than we could have known.

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Kyrsilis, a lot of peole's stories have been villainized and surpressed by twi, GS is a place to set the record straight.  I am sorry that you and your family suffered at the hands of twi.  I hope you will find healing in the telling of your story, your son sounds like a brave man, so many were abused and hung out to dry with no one standing up for them, your son was one of the few who didn't cowtow to those creeps!

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There are plenty of places to start, but I think I'll begin with that particular event. It is pretty easy to fill in the history when and where it's needed.

It was common practice to bring the Corps in at an advanced class to assist with a number of things, particularly the branch meetings. The particular people mentioned by Skyrider were my kids, my son and his wife.....and another man. This other man was also married, but unlike my kids, he had children so it was decided he would go to hq and his wife would stay at Gunnison with the children.

My DIL had been in loy's stable for quite some time by this point in time - - and apparently he'd called for her several times already during the week or 10 days that they had been at hq. The other man - - a Corp buddy-brother had gotten wind of my DIL's special "calling" and apparently approached her also for "relief" as he had been without his own wife for 10 days or so....and....it was up to her to "take care of the man (men) of god" donchaknow! Something happened and they were caught. My son blew his stack! She was serving everybody but him, and he was outraged because he knew it was just plain wrong.

These 3 parties were brought together into loy's office together with Rev. wc and head of safety....Mr. Linder. (Hello mister linder :wave: ). There was a revolver on loy's desk and mister linder ( :wave: ) opened his jacket coat to reveal his loaded shoulder holster.

There were many things said...but my son told me that he grew sicker and sicker (in his spiritual gut) and needed to set things to rights. So according to him, he pounded his own fist down on loy's desk and "ripped him a new one".

Rev wc was shocked and saddened. He called loy out because several years prior to this incident, loy had apparently promised him (Rev wc) that these sexploits had ended and would be no more....but obviously it wasn't so. My son grew sicker....now realizing for the first time that everything he had gotten wind of previously was totally true.

Even after all this - - loy begged them to stay.....he offered to change their interim assignment from Way Disciple to remaining at HQ to coordinate the Way Disciple program. My DIL begged my son to agree so they could stay (and she could remain Most Favored Female) but this required that my son give up his exclusive claim on his own wife and "join in" claiming for himself any one of the upper echelon women for himself. Obviously my son said "No" and then there was nothing to be done.

They were dismissed to their quarters to pack their belongings and escorted by Safety (with a pistol on the front seat of the car) to the nearest airport (I don't remember anymore which one it was) and put up in a motel nearby until the following morning's flight home (to New Jersey)

The other young man was put on a Greyhound bus and sent local back to Gunnison. They could have sent him express for the bulk of the distance but decided not to because this way they bought themselves plenty of time to get to his wife, squirrel her away to CO limb hdq where they could fill her head with all kinds of untruths so that they could retain her (and their children) in "the program".

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Krys, thanks for sharing that with us. I am sorry for the pain your family suffered. The other young man, who was your son's friend, used to post here, I think. I cannot remember what name he used to post under, but he did something very kind for me when I was new here - not even sure I was posting as Abigail yet back then.

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I don't think I can do anymore tonite. But if you have questions....or even comments...feel free to post them. Surely I will answer any that I can - - and tomorrow I will continue with more of the story. Yes, there is a whole lot more!

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Wow krysilis, that's a lot for someone to handle, your son must have been at his whit's end while he was dealing with all this.  These "leaders" were so preverted, we had no clue.  I was sucker punched by these A - holes at headquarters too, the word that comes to mind to describe them is-ruthless, friken ruthless to people.

I hope your son is doing well now, I'm sure it takes a while to heal from something like this, I sure felt that my heart was being ripped out of me for a long time afterward.  There is no excuse for tearing apart families like this, how sad this happened to you and your son.  

I'm wondering whether the guns were used as a source of intimidation or were they supossed to be used on people if a fight broke out?  Depending on who and how its used, brandishing a firearm is a criminal offense, there are rules and laws on how weapons can be displayed.  What a bunch of weasily fornicators, I often wonder why twi was such a weasel magnet, king oakie weasel led them all.

Thanks for sharing this, I am sorry your family suffered like this.

 

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Thanks you abi; now I see.

Yes it takes a long time to recover from something like this. I know I'm not finished healing from it. It turned my husband off God completely. My son tried to reconcile with his wife but they just couldn't get it together after this. It wasn't a matter of trust, my son says his (then) wife had her whole head so twisted around by all this, that it seemed to him she couldn't consistently continue with rational thoughts and processes.

Even as much as 2 months afterwards, she was still roaming around from room to room thinking she was on vacation somewhere. It wasn't real to her that she needed to start looking in the paper for a job. She just could not get it together. They found a small apartment not too far from where we lived, and they went off to see it. They took separate cars because she was going to look in on her mother afterward (so she said) but she was not seen again (by him)! Shortly after this, she went home to our house and packed her things while I was at work and lived with her mother for quite a while.

Her father told my son to let her go - - she was so much like her mother - - and who else would know?

It took a long long time for him to start coming out of it. I think he recovered faster than I did.

Now, he's remarried to a wonderful young woman who really loves him. He makes an excellent living and really enjoys his life.

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Thank you Krys. Take your time.

I want to repeat something that I hinted at on another thread.

Women were not the only ones victimized by der victoid and his teachings regarding "servicing the man of gawd." Men were victims as well.

Just how would a man handle knowing that his wife had that "special calling?" How would he feel knowing that his new "spiritual assignment" had become "cuckold."

And what about the children? They had absolutely no power in this mess. All they could do was ride the see-saw.

I have a knot in the pit of my stomach. What sick SOB's.

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Thanks you abi; now I see.

Yes it takes a long time to recover from something like this. I know I'm not finished healing from it. It turned my husband off God completely. My son tried to reconcile with his wife but they just couldn't get it together after this. It wasn't a matter of trust, my son says his (then) wife had her whole head so twisted around by all this, that it seemed to him she couldn't consistently continue with rational thoughts and processes.

Even as much as 2 months afterwards, she was still roaming around from room to room thinking she was on vacation somewhere. It wasn't real to her that she needed to start looking in the paper for a job. She just could not get it together. They found a small apartment not too far from where we lived, and they went off to see it. They took separate cars because she was going to look in on her mother afterward (so she said) but she was not seen again (by him)! Shortly after this, she went home to our house and packed her things while I was at work and lived with her mother for quite a while.

Her father told my son to let her go - - she was so much like her mother - - and who else would know?

It took a long long time for him to start coming out of it. I think he recovered faster than I did.

Now, he's remarried to a wonderful young woman who really loves him. He makes an excellent living and really enjoys his life.

Wow... I'm so sorry you guys had to go through that. Dooj is soooooo right, there were MANY victims, not just the women seduced into adultery by malignant narcissists and their self-justifying false doctrines.

And I'm VERY glad your son was able to regain his life, much better than it had been before.

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Your son is a true hero, refusing to sell out for a "piece" of the kingdom; not caving in when faced with armed lunatics. Guts aren't needed to chase ghosts, and respect isn't due to those exposing how rotten the corpse really is so they can greedily grab their part of the inheritance.

The guy that was on the bus to CO, was he the perp? What was his sin; visiting the harem of the holy one? Or, was it because he got caught?

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Thanks Rocky. I expect that there will be some folks around here who would point fingers at me (us) looking for "proof" and/or other things....but you would never be among them.

Yes, indeed he did get his life back. And....even more than he had. A little like Job...I think - - twice restored. When they came home, my son was on the phone for a couple of weeks, calling everybody he knew in the "ministry" telling all he knew to anyone who would listen. There were many who did listen to the truth from his mouth because many knew his quality and how he conducted himself. Many left that week or the next.

I always felt that God would reward him in some special way for what he did to help people realize they should get out. And He has - - he got his old job back (at a bonus) and then his jobs have just gone up from there. He owns 2 homes...one he lives in, and one is a rental. He works for an auto importer andhis particular dealership has taken first prize for customer satisfaction in parts and service two years running.

He has been, and continues to be blessed for his stand. God is always faithful.

Ductape:

I don't think the man on the bus to CO was really a "perp". The powers that be saw him as a threat....somebody who could spill the beans on the whole shootin' match - - just one more hole to close over.

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