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The Way's response to the coronavirus has been mixed. In the same announcement where Jean-Yves DeLisle said he was stepping down because he had failed he also announced that the 2020 Advanced Class would be canceled do to the coronavirus and later it was posted on the website that other events were cancelled. The last few sunday services have all been a bit interesting, they seemed to have gotten rid of live audiences and the choir. Two weeks ago the teacher drove all the way from Georgia to headquarters. Last week they announced that the Way Disciples had completed their Foundational Classes and had just held special fellowships in their areas and just yesterday the teacher was still telling "believers" to reach out to others with the Word. 

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They are still sending out "Way Disciples"?  Must be even more interesting living with a bunch of strangers - and having to "witness" to people from 6ft away.  What's the justification for driving from Georgia to Ohio? 

Most churches are doing their services online by compilation of individual segments pre-recorded by the sermon-preacher, the prayer leader, the music group, and others involved.  Perhaps that's too technical for TWI.

In, or at, what did JYdL say he'd failed?  

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I think they put the next Way Disciple group on hold. I don't think they gave any justification for the drive, I think its the result of Rosalie calling all the shots and a slow, unquestioning bureaucracy implementing them. They certainly aren't putting any services online that's far too technically advanced and transparent for them, just this last year they made a big deal about adding a give button on the website. I don't remember all of what JYdL said, but I remember him saying something like that he failed his mission as president to spread God's word to the world. I don't think the exact terminology was all that important because it was mostly meaningless ministry jargon.

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45 minutes ago, rubina said:

 

I think they put the next Way Disciple group on hold. I don't think they gave any justification for the drive, I think its the result of Rosalie calling all the shots and a slow, unquestioning bureaucracy implementing them. They certainly aren't putting any services online that's far too technically advanced and transparent for them, just this last year they made a big deal about adding a give button on the website. I don't remember all of what JYdL said, but I remember him saying something like that he failed his mission as president to spread God's word to the world. I don't think the exact terminology was all that important because it was mostly meaningless ministry jargon.

 

 

Doesn't matter what he said......Rosalie's eels wrote the generic claptrap.

Rosalie wanted a PUBLIC CONFESSION of his "guilt"........for all to hear.

"Failed his mission"..........what is this crap?  Movie:  Mission Impossible?

Yet, she stayed behind the curtains.........hiding in the shadows.  :evilshades:

 

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3 hours ago, rubina said:

They certainly aren't putting any services online that's far too technically advanced and transparent for them

You're right, that'd be very transparent.  So much for "word over the world."  

Normal religious institutions (churches and suchlike) are posting services, sermons, short homilies, uplifting hymns, songs, and music; offering a normal-ish Sunday service to all who want to log onto the church's website/YouTube channel, etc etc.  That's making the "word" freely available to all.

I also know the churches both individually and collectively are carrying out their sub-ministries as best they can - ensuring that people get food, get debt help, get regular phone calls or online meetings; Children's ministers put together activities for children of various ages; Seniors ministers facilitate conference calls to others in the seniors group.  I believe also my own church has helped re-house one or two women from domestic violence situations that have flared up or got worse during lockdown.

And no doubt TWI is still singing the same song from its gilded cage without realising no-one is listening.

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Hmm, depending on when the Georgia person went to teach, either all of Georgia or maybe that person's county, would have had a shelter in place order they would have violated. I don't think they had to get groceries in Ohio.  I am sure a nicely recorded teaching could have been done and uploaded and projected somehow in the auditorium or they could have protected their staff and just had someone already at HQ teach! And does this mean they were running  classes when groups larger than ten are not supposed to meet?

 

They can't be transparent, they have to hide in the dark with all the skeletons in their closet.

Why in the world would JY apologize? Does this mean he was just going to submit to Rosalie and try to stay in the Way???? Like Rosalie has helped the Word prevailed or lifted a finger to help anyone?  For some reason i am just really upset for the DeLis*s because I remember how helpful they were to me long ago!  

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1 hour ago, penguin2 said:

Hmm, depending on when the Georgia person went to teach, either all of Georgia or maybe that person's county, would have had a shelter in place order they would have violated. I don't think they had to get groceries in Ohio.  I am sure a nicely recorded teaching could have been done and uploaded and projected somehow in the auditorium or they could have protected their staff and just had someone already at HQ teach! And does this mean they were running  classes when groups larger than ten are not supposed to meet?

 

They can't be transparent, they have to hide in the dark with all the skeletons in their closet.

Why in the world would JY apologize? Does this mean he was just going to submit to Rosalie and try to stay in the Way???? Like Rosalie has helped the Word prevailed or lifted a finger to help anyone?  For some reason i am just really upset for the DeLis*s because I remember how helpful they were to me long ago!  

I think they have a religious organization exemption, but exemption or no exemption, this isn't the right thing to do.

Anyway, I doubt the classes were gatherings larger than ten. :anim-smile:

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8 hours ago, rubina said:

I think they put the next Way Disciple group on hold. I don't think they gave any justification for the drive, I think its the result of Rosalie calling all the shots and a slow, unquestioning bureaucracy implementing them. They certainly aren't putting any services online that's far too technically advanced and transparent for them, just this last year they made a big deal about adding a give button on the website. I don't remember all of what JYdL said, but I remember him saying something like that he failed his mission as president to spread God's word to the world. I don't think the exact terminology was all that important because it was mostly meaningless ministry jargon.

Hi Rubina

I just wanted to add my 2 cents - my wife and I enjoy watching talk shows and even the latest SNL that are now all produced from their homes. We’ll get into noticing the décor of their homes, knick knacks on the shelves, their casual attire and it’s always amusing to see the creative ways they’ll have guests and musicians get “together” and interact via Zoom meetings. That would be a great way for TWI top leadership to stay in touch with folks…but the more I think about it – the transparency aspect of it might get a little dicey. Then I began to imagine if wierwille was still alive – he’d be schlepping around in his underwear, guzzling Drambuie, chain smoking a pack of Kools…there’d be a bunch of porn videos sitting out on one of the shelves behind him - - oh wait -  he used to do that anyway when I was in residence.

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50 minutes ago, rubina said:

I think they have a religious organization exemption, but exemption or no exemption, this isn't the right thing to do.

Anyway, I doubt the classes were gatherings larger than ten. :anim-smile:

Hello, Rubina. 

There would be fewer students, but to keep the meeting smaller than ten would mean a really small crew- which can be done when you're hosting THREE students.   Usually, the meetings are padded out with extra people to look bigger, though.

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11 minutes ago, T-Bone said:

Hi Rubina

I just wanted to add my 2 cents - my wife and I enjoy watching talk shows and even the latest SNL that are now all produced from their homes. We’ll get into noticing the décor of their homes, knick knacks on the shelves, their casual attire and it’s always amusing to see the creative ways they’ll have guests and musicians get “together” and interact via Zoom meetings. That would be a great way for TWI top leadership to stay in touch with folks…but the more I think about it – the transparency aspect of it might get a little dicey. Then I began to imagine if wierwille was still alive – he’d be schlepping around in his underwear, guzzling Drambuie, chain smoking a pack of Kools…there’d be a bunch of porn videos sitting out on one of the shelves behind him - - oh wait -  he used to do that anyway when I was in residence.

 I'd expect that he'd assign a bunch of people to sanitize the area he's supposed to broadcast from- to remove/hide anything objectionable  (even books like JCNG) from sight, and to make sure wholesome things were in their place-  specifics dependent upon what image he wanted for that, like Country Preacher,  or Cool Uncle, or whatever.   There would be a bunch of people out of sight, working the computer and the feed, all to make it look like he was working alone.   

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8 minutes ago, WordWolf said:

 I'd expect that he'd assign a bunch of people to sanitize the area he's supposed to broadcast from- to remove/hide anything objectionable  (even books like JCNG) from sight, and to make sure wholesome things were in their place-  specifics dependent upon what image he wanted for that, like Country Preacher,  or Cool Uncle, or whatever.   There would be a bunch of people out of sight, working the computer and the feed, all to make it look like he was working alone.   

You’re right WordWolf – I guess the corps didn’t count since we were "the help".

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2 hours ago, T-Bone said:

I just wanted to add my 2 cents - my wife and I enjoy watching talk shows and even the latest SNL that are now all produced from their homes. We’ll get into noticing the décor of their homes, knick knacks on the shelves, their casual attire and it’s always amusing to see the creative ways they’ll have guests and musicians get “together” and interact via Zoom meetings.

Totally! Gives the audience (viewer) a greater sense that they are REAL people, in many ways just like us. I've been very much enjoying Colbert and Seth Meyers especially. Even better when they include their young children. Like Jimmy Fallon did in one vid I watched last night... and Meyers two sons were there at the end of his vid this evening. 

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Possibly my favorite episode ever of "the Daily Show" was filmed in haste since a hurricane or tropical storm was heading straight for NYC.  When the episode aired, there was a disclaimer at the beginning explaining they did little editing of the episode due to trying to finish up and run home to their families.  The audience was especially small for that episode, for that very reason.   At the very end of the episode, when they came back from the last commercial break and made closing remarks, they had 5 people on the stage, on or around the interview couch.  Those 5 people were the entire audience who showed up!   

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3 hours ago, T-Bone said:

You’re right WordWolf – I guess the corps didn’t count since we were "the help".

When it came to vpw, his talk was often about how much he loved everyone, especially the corps. When it came time to view his actions,  the corps were not simply "the help", you were part of the set and setting.   He thought of you as invisible, and there to do all the work.    On the videos, he did everything to make it look like he was alone and filming himself.  He certainly never wanted to get across that others did work for which he claimed credit.   It was true- but he wanted to keep that under wraps.

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23 minutes ago, WordWolf said:

When it came to vpw, his talk was often about how much he loved everyone, especially the corps. When it came time to view his actions,  the corps were not simply "the help", you were part of the set and setting.   He thought of you as invisible, and there to do all the work.    On the videos, he did everything to make it look like he was alone and filming himself.  He certainly never wanted to get across that others did work for which he claimed credit.   It was true- but he wanted to keep that under wraps.

Did any of the videos of classes ever have credits showing who did what to make the video happen? It's been a LOOOOOOOOOng time for me, but I don't recall ever seeing any.

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1 hour ago, Rocky said:

Did any of the videos of classes ever have credits showing who did what to make the video happen? It's been a LOOOOOOOOOng time for me, but I don't recall ever seeing any.

None of the classes I took had ANY credits at all.   The closest we came to acknowledging anyone was in the room was in pfal, when vpw made a rare comment telling someone to put up the next chart.   No names. "Put up the next chart, please."

 

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On 4/13/2020 at 8:42 AM, rubina said:

The Way's response to the coronavirus has been mixed. In the same announcement where Jean-Yves DeLisle said he was stepping down because he had failed he also announced that the 2020 Advanced Class would be canceled do to the coronavirus and later it was posted on the website that other events were cancelled. The last few sunday services have all been a bit interesting, they seemed to have gotten rid of live audiences and the choir. Two weeks ago the teacher drove all the way from Georgia to headquarters. Last week they announced that the Way Disciples had completed their Foundational Classes and had just held special fellowships in their areas and just yesterday the teacher was still telling "believers" to reach out to others with the Word. 

Side question - this guy who just got the boot made me think....

 

The Way had "Word Over the World" at one time.

Then I read later that Craig Martindale decided that they'd achieved that and he set a different goal for the Way's efforts. 

I never ready anywhere how that was dealt with after he was terminated....what are they doing now, or trying to do in regards to that goal?

.......did the Way decide the Word wasn't over the world and went back to work on that? Or is it something else? 

I also caught a shift into "discipleship"....did that factor into this? 

I'm just curious how they explain away all of this, not so much if it's right or wrong, etc. 

T'anks! 

 

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20 hours ago, penguin2 said:

Hmm, depending on when the Georgia person went to teach, either all of Georgia or maybe that person's county, would have had a shelter in place order they would have violated. I don't think they had to get groceries in Ohio.  I am sure a nicely recorded teaching could have been done and uploaded and projected somehow in the auditorium or they could have protected their staff and just had someone already at HQ teach! And does this mean they were running  classes when groups larger than ten are not supposed to meet?

 

They can't be transparent, they have to hide in the dark with all the skeletons in their closet.

Why in the world would JY apologize? Does this mean he was just going to submit to Rosalie and try to stay in the Way???? Like Rosalie has helped the Word prevailed or lifted a finger to help anyone?  For some reason i am just really upset for the DeLis*s because I remember how helpful they were to me long ago!  

This all reminds me of how it was going when we were there..and the over flow of people showing up for SNS - I remember some of the back trailers could dial in and get a SNS feed using...I think it was through the phones....? and say, while the Children's Fellowship was going, they could get the service there....does that ring a bell? {that was after they got electrical and water ran to them finally) 

I remember some discussion around getting it to the trailers because in that era before the other buildings went up the BRC was getting packed upstairs and down and using the trailers made sense, especially during the winter months. There was push back though and it never got done on a universal scale at that time, but then it seems like I heard they eventually set it up so that the trailers had the capability to get the meetings held up in the BRC. 

Ring any bells? 

 

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24 minutes ago, socks said:

Then I read later that Craig Martindale decided that they'd achieved that and he set a different goal for the Way's efforts. 

They moved onto "The Prevailing Word" after "Word Over the World."

So clearly, it didn't prevail very successfully if they had to go back to "Word Over the World."

Anyhow, they don't mean "Word Over the World" so much as "Way over the World."  In which, thanks be, they have failed dismally.  Somehow, "Way International over the World," honest though it may be, doesn't quite have the allure (?) of the catchphrase "Word over the World."

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1 hour ago, socks said:

 

Side question - this guy who just got the boot made me think....

 

The Way had "Word Over the World" at one time.

Then I read later that Craig Martindale decided that they'd achieved that and he set a different goal for the Way's efforts. 

I never ready anywhere how that was dealt with after he was terminated....what are they doing now, or trying to do in regards to that goal?

.......did the Way decide the Word wasn't over the world and went back to work on that? Or is it something else? 

I also caught a shift into "discipleship"....did that factor into this? 

I'm just curious how they explain away all of this, not so much if it's right or wrong, etc. 

T'anks! 

 

 

The answer to your question.........it can be deduced by the application of Occam's razor.

Once martindale pontificated that "word over the world" was complete.......he was exterminating the language and administration (wierwille's) of the past and ushering in the new "man of god and from on high."  No longer would there be WOW Ambassadors.....and the Rock of Ages was closing shop, too.  By the mid-1990s.......old wierwille tapes or music tapes were deemed "old wineskins" and could get you possessed!!!  Martindale mandated that the Way Household be SANCTIFIED.

Way Disciples were enlightened with the present truth.

Way Corps were taught The Way of Abundance and Power......heightened spirituality from the older version.

Martindale, the doofus from Okieland, simply attached "Way" to "Disciples"...........duh.  He wanted to distance himself from wierwille's terms and old wineskins.  Surely, it wouldn't be right to call them "Disciples of Christ"........that description was already taken.  :biglaugh:  And besides, you can't build a cult following by adhering to what other church denominations are doing.

But, my friend........Occam's razor clarifies to us that the simplest solution is the right solution to the question.  Everything in wierwille's path was to be built on the foundation of the WAY.........not the Bible, not the Scriptures.  The Way.  A term that held a double-meaning.  A deceptive and obscure meaning to a narcissist.  Wierwille skewered Kenyon's material on "The Way" and built his organization (pyramid) with just enough scripture verses to conceal his intended agenda, a jaded way.  And, the WAY corps.......indoctrinating the youth into an army of zealots and strict loyalists to twi-servitude, not God.

Heck, throw in Way Builders......whydon'tcha.  LOL.

Or, Way Productions.

Now, maybe......all this stuff was just a marketing scheme to differentiate his organization for the surrounding churches.  Could be.  But looking back at all this......I see a serial plagiarist, predator and false teacher with ulterior motives.  The whole damn thing went belly-up shortly after the false teacher left the scene, feet first.

And again, Occam's razor......the Scriptures indeed describe the seductive attributes of a seducer and false prophet.  Wierwille fits that description.

 

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3 hours ago, socks said:

This all reminds me of how it was going when we were there..and the over flow of people showing up for SNS - I remember some of the back trailers could dial in and get a SNS feed using...I think it was through the phones....? and say, while the Children's Fellowship was going, they could get the service there....does that ring a bell? {that was after they got electrical and water ran to them finally) 

I remember some discussion around getting it to the trailers because in that era before the other buildings went up the BRC was getting packed upstairs and down and using the trailers made sense, especially during the winter months. There was push back though and it never got done on a universal scale at that time, but then it seems like I heard they eventually set it up so that the trailers had the capability to get the meetings held up in the BRC. 

Ring any bells? 

 

As of now, you can call together with a branch or fellowship into headquarters to get the service or get a CD or DVD mailed to you.

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21 hours ago, rubina said:

As of now, you can call together with a branch or fellowship into headquarters to get the service or get a CD or DVD mailed to you.

Lol....the only CD or DVD player i even own is my sons xbox1

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On 4/14/2020 at 1:14 PM, Twinky said:

They moved onto "The Prevailing Word" after "Word Over the World."

So clearly, it didn't prevail very successfully if they had to go back to "Word Over the World."

Anyhow, they don't mean "Word Over the World" so much as "Way over the World."  In which, thanks be, they have failed dismally.  Somehow, "Way International over the World," honest though it may be, doesn't quite have the allure (?) of the catchphrase "Word over the World."

Thanks!

So - I'm just trying to get the difference and how it would have been communicated. 

Word Over the World meant go tell new people, start local fellowships, run classes - that I know and was part of.

The Prevailing Word under Craig's reign was......an emphasis on those already in the Way's group.......? and less on getting "new peeps"?

And then after Craig got fired it went ... back to .... a form of getting new people again? 

 

I'm curious because of the "apparent' contradiction that those who were involved throughout all those periods would have had to deal with -

one day, we're gettin' the Word Over the World, go tell someone new that hasn't heard.......then the next day, it's done, the Word Got Over The World and Now We Need to See It Prevail......then the next day, no, it still needs to prevail but we need to go back out and tell new people.........was there any additional explanation of how that was working? 

Or did they just do it and not really explain it? 

What I heard from a tape many years ago, that someone sent me a sound bite off of was of Craig teaching one night and saying he believed everyone in the world had had a chance to believe if they were going to believe - God had revealed to him that there was no longer a need to keep trying to reach new people, rather, start working on those who had..."believed"....ie, were grads of PFAL and that also  meant a reset, with a new "class", etc. 

 I'm not trying to make sense of it or even understand a biblical or philosophical basis for the flow of madness, just trying to clarify what happened and what was said about it. 

Any insights are appreciated as I realize this will give me a new appreciation for what those who left recently bought into and supported. 

 

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On 4/13/2020 at 9:25 AM, Twinky said:

They are still sending out "Way Disciples"?  Must be even more interesting living with a bunch of strangers - and having to "witness" to people from 6ft away.  What's the justification for driving from Georgia to Ohio? 

Most churches are doing their services online by compilation of individual segments pre-recorded by the sermon-preacher, the prayer leader, the music group, and others involved.  Perhaps that's too technical for TWI.

In, or at, what did JYdL say he'd failed?  

On 4/14/2020 at 3:37 PM, skyrider said:

 

The answer to your question.........it can be deduced by the application of Occam's razor.

Once martindale pontificated that "word over the world" was complete.......he was exterminating the language and administration (wierwille's) of the past and ushering in the new "man of god and from on high."  No longer would there be WOW Ambassadors.....and the Rock of Ages was closing shop, too.  By the mid-1990s.......old wierwille tapes or music tapes were deemed "old wineskins" and could get you possessed!!!  Martindale mandated that the Way Household be SANCTIFIED.

Way Disciples were enlightened with the present truth.

Way Corps were taught The Way of Abundance and Power......heightened spirituality from the older version.

Martindale, the doofus from Okieland, simply attached "Way" to "Disciples"...........duh.  He wanted to distance himself from wierwille's terms and old wineskins.  Surely, it wouldn't be right to call them "Disciples of Christ"........that description was already taken.  :biglaugh:  And besides, you can't build a cult following by adhering to what other church denominations are doing.

But, my friend........Occam's razor clarifies to us that the simplest solution is the right solution to the question.  Everything in wierwille's path was to be built on the foundation of the WAY.........not the Bible, not the Scriptures.  The Way.  A term that held a double-meaning.  A deceptive and obscure meaning to a narcissist.  Wierwille skewered Kenyon's material on "The Way" and built his organization (pyramid) with just enough scripture verses to conceal his intended agenda, a jaded way.  And, the WAY corps.......indoctrinating the youth into an army of zealots and strict loyalists to twi-servitude, not God.

Heck, throw in Way Builders......whydon'tcha.  LOL.

Or, Way Productions.

Now, maybe......all this stuff was just a marketing scheme to differentiate his organization for the surrounding churches.  Could be.  But looking back at all this......I see a serial plagiarist, predator and false teacher with ulterior motives.  The whole damn thing went belly-up shortly after the false teacher left the scene, feet first.

And again, Occam's razor......the Scriptures indeed describe the seductive attributes of a seducer and false prophet.  Wierwille fits that description.

 

I restated my question in another post here. I'm just looking for a simple answer as to what they said about what they were doing, but I get what you're saying. PEACE! 

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On 4/13/2020 at 9:58 PM, Rocky said:

Totally! Gives the audience (viewer) a greater sense that they are REAL people, in many ways just like us. I've been very much enjoying Colbert and Seth Meyers especially. Even better when they include their young children. Like Jimmy Fallon did in one vid I watched last night... and Meyers two sons were there at the end of his vid this evening. 

Yeh, I record Fallon, stay up a lot and catch him too. He's a kick at home. 

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