If you know, then you know that you know that you know.
Earlier, someone just didn’t have time to read a book. As evidenced by this 7000 word post, time is no longer an issue.
I'm trying to get through Dune. And open an MRE.
What does anyone really know? We still have to make decisions.
Know that you know that you know - must feed the idealistic mind, which 20 somethings are prone to do. It's just a stage. I suppose black and white thinking are easier to accept at that age too.
Know that you know that you know - must feed the idealistic mind, which 20 somethings are prone to do. It's just a stage. I suppose black and white thinking are easier to accept at that age too.
It seems that age is so easily seduced by ideals, so entranced by conclusions, so willing to be conditioned.
God had to limit himself so as to limit the devil.
Does that mean God is subject to reason?
Apparently, according to some, God was just beside himself on how to deal with the devil. Poor God. Must have been frustrating, all those hoops to jump through.
Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them.But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”
Apparently the all powerful God never learned to multi-task.
Also, wouldn't an all knowing being know how to get his point across quickly and efficiently and not have to monkey around for 21 days.
I have told this story once, but it bears repeating here.
Back in the day, on Long Island we had a wonderful new brother added to our Branch one day, pseudo-named George.He was a super nice guy, always fun and laughing, and a real joy to be around.He was meek and joined in on witnessing very well.He was not all messed up and straining to be positive and renew his mind; he HAD it!He seemed to be pretty well adjusted BEFORE taking the class, and just jumped in right away as a renewed mind believer.I wish I had stayed there longer to get to know him better, and regret that I’ve been unable to find him.
George had one good arm and his other was completely withered from birth.A tiny outline of a baby’s hand with some fingers could be seen protruding a tiny bit from his shoulder. He could hide it easily with a shirt, but in the Summertime we could often plainly see it. He didn’t try to hide it, and seemed to be quite skilled at living without the arm. He was active and got around well; an unforgettable guy.
When we would run a PFAL class, just EVERYONE held their breath during the part about the man with the withered hand. We all wanted to see George miraculously healed.I think he went WoW or maybe in the Corps, but I’m not sure.
But I do know for sure, that if George had ever gotten that new arm build by a miracle, I would CERTAINLY have heard about it from all my old Long Island friends. Word about George would have traveled fast, fast, fast.I think there are still a dozen of us still alive and friends on Facebook.
We did not see any such spectacular miracles. Maybe there were some, but word seemed to not get around much about them if they did happen.
And your point is?
Do you think we don't know people that can't use miracles?
From this and many other scriptures (forthcoming), I get the impression that, though God has infinite power, He has limited His use of His power for various reasons, and must work within His own constructed framework.
I think I understand one of your points – to a degree anyway – what I acknowledge is that God is all-powerful, and that He is limited only by His own designs and purposes – and we should not assume we know all about His designs and purposes. But to say that He “MUST work within His own constructed framework” is to dictate what an all-powerful being can and cannot do.
Imagine a 6-year-old throwing a tantrum at Walmart because Mom won’t let him grab stuff off the shelves and mess with everything – like he does at home. Maybe the kid doesn’t understand something about the ‘all-powerful’ Mom. She’s a single Mom and works online from home. When at home she devotes a lot of her time and energy to online work. Most folks at Walmart will probably think she doesn’t discipline the kid at home…But maybe she’s a great single mom doing the best she can to provide for 2, loves the kid and just makes sure the kid doesn’t burn down the house.
At Walmart – maybe the kid is trying to figure out what the ‘all-powerful’ Mom can and cannot do. In this silly parenting metaphor, to the kid the mom is like a god. At 6-years-old maybe he doesn’t get that an all-powerful Mom can have different strategies and purposes in different situations – but her love and concern for the kid’s well-being and development doesn’t change – no external force…not even a tantrum throwing 6-year-old can alter mom’s love.
Why did God create angels with free will? Why did God create humankind with free will? Why didn’t God immediately fix the rebellion in heaven or the screw up in the Garden of Eden? There’s lots of questions this little kid has.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who i have been called according to his purpose.29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters…Romans 8 NIV
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.9For we know in part and we prophesy in part,10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love…1 Corinthians 13 NIV
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In the 1970s most Wayfers were how old?
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I'd say in the Long Island area we were late teens to mid twenties circa 1975.
That was the hump of the bell curve, but there were a few older and a few younger.
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Are you saying God has to get his needs/wants parrallel?
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Someone finally finished reading a book!
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Maybe, but we know it wasn't inspired by God.
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If he doesn’t get them parallel, how will he know what’s available, how to get it, and what to do with it once he’s got it?
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"This wasn't God's will so God had to do such and such"
Just humorous
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I don’t think Charlene ever claimed it to be. Nor did anyone else.
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The subject was simply, "a book".
The beauty is you don't need to know specifics.
We're learning not to engage. And this will help somehow.
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Hilarious.
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If you know, then you know that you know that you know.
Earlier, someone just didn’t have time to read a book. As evidenced by this 7000 word post, time is no longer an issue.
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Bolshevik
I'm trying to get through Dune. And open an MRE.
What does anyone really know? We still have to make decisions.
Know that you know that you know - must feed the idealistic mind, which 20 somethings are prone to do. It's just a stage. I suppose black and white thinking are easier to accept at that age too.
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Seems relevant, fitting, salient in this our day and time... and for this forum.
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God had to limit himself so as to limit the devil.
Does that mean God is subject to reason?
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It seems that age is so easily seduced by ideals, so entranced by conclusions, so willing to be conditioned.
It explains a lot about TWI's early growth
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Apparently, according to some, God was just beside himself on how to deal with the devil. Poor God. Must have been frustrating, all those hoops to jump through.
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Yes, I would think every generation going back knew that. That transition should be anticipated.
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I wonder what the age distribution in Jesus' 12 apostles was.
Similarly for the about 500 disciples he eventually got.
Seems like they all were the hippie types, who could kinda drop everything and tour with Jesus like he was Jerry Garcia.
Hmmm, I'd estimate the age distribution to be about mid to late teens and into the twenties. That Jesus would know them cult tactics, too, I guess.
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Yeah all those teenage tax collectors
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Do you mean in Jesus' cult? Or in TWI?
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Since, in biblical times, you weren't considered an adult until you were 30, I would have guessed all the apostles were 30 or older.
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Apparently the all powerful God never learned to multi-task.
Also, wouldn't an all knowing being know how to get his point across quickly and efficiently and not have to monkey around for 21 days.
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And your point is?
Do you think we don't know people that can't use miracles?
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I think I understand one of your points – to a degree anyway – what I acknowledge is that God is all-powerful, and that He is limited only by His own designs and purposes – and we should not assume we know all about His designs and purposes. But to say that He “MUST work within His own constructed framework” is to dictate what an all-powerful being can and cannot do.
Imagine a 6-year-old throwing a tantrum at Walmart because Mom won’t let him grab stuff off the shelves and mess with everything – like he does at home. Maybe the kid doesn’t understand something about the ‘all-powerful’ Mom. She’s a single Mom and works online from home. When at home she devotes a lot of her time and energy to online work. Most folks at Walmart will probably think she doesn’t discipline the kid at home…But maybe she’s a great single mom doing the best she can to provide for 2, loves the kid and just makes sure the kid doesn’t burn down the house.
At Walmart – maybe the kid is trying to figure out what the ‘all-powerful’ Mom can and cannot do. In this silly parenting metaphor, to the kid the mom is like a god. At 6-years-old maybe he doesn’t get that an all-powerful Mom can have different strategies and purposes in different situations – but her love and concern for the kid’s well-being and development doesn’t change – no external force…not even a tantrum throwing 6-year-old can alter mom’s love.
Why did God create angels with free will? Why did God create humankind with free will? Why didn’t God immediately fix the rebellion in heaven or the screw up in the Garden of Eden? There’s lots of questions this little kid has.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who i have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters…Romans 8 NIV
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love…1 Corinthians 13 NIV
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