One person in this conversation is actually a naturalist by definition. The one bloviating about what naturalists would know, while saying something no naturalist would say, is not that person.
Well in the context of this conversation that is not the meaning.
A naturalist in philosophy is someone who believes the natural world is all that is. It is incompatible with spirit or the supernatural.
All these words have histories and overlapping definitions. Best bet is to allow people to label themselves and articulate what they mean by these labels.
A naturalist in philosophy is someone who believes the natural world is all that is. It is incompatible with spirit or the supernatural.
All these words have histories and overlapping definitions. Best bet is to allow people to label themselves and articulate what they mean by these labels.
yeah, the definition of a cult for sure, nothing to do with nature naturism or humanism
you can label it anything you want, but I will use the terms as they were correctly intended
Plus, to/for. ThIs was written TO the angel of the ekklesia in Laodicea. It was not written TO you.
The fact that Jesus would say to any believer, at any time or any place, that he would spit them out of his mouth for being lukewarm is sick stuff.
Besides, there are plenty of other verses in the gospels where Jesus lays out what it takes to be a follower of his and being lukewarm is nowhere in the mix.
The fact that Jesus would say to any believer, at any time or any place, that he would spit them out of his mouth for being lukewarm is sick stuff.
Besides, there are plenty of other verses in the gospels where Jesus lays out what it takes to be a follower of his and being lukewarm is nowhere in the mix.
This carries with it a couple of interesting thoughts at least:
(1) The Douay Rheims version says "vomit". This to me conveys the idea that Jesus' reaction to an unconcerned or disinterested churchgoer is one of nausea and disgust.
(2) Preterists believe all this already happened, sometime around 70 A.D. and/or shortly thereafter, and the whole bible already has been fulfilled (full preterism); Jesus REALLY meant "I come quickly" he didn't mean 2000+ years later; and talk of "end times" today is BS. "Gathering together" is BS. Preterists also believe the 'millenial kingdom' already happened, but don't ask me how. (Catholics, who have been described as "partial preterists" also think the "rapture" is BS.)
This carries with it a couple of interesting thoughts at least:
(1) The Douay Rheims version says "vomit". This to me conveys the idea that Jesus' reaction to an unconcerned or disinterested churchgoer is one of nausea and disgust.
(2) Preterists believe all this already happened, sometime around 70 A.D. and/or shortly thereafter, and the whole bible already has been fulfilled (full preterism); Jesus REALLY meant "I come quickly" he didn't mean 2000+ years later; and talk of "end times" today is BS. "Gathering together" is BS. Preterists also believe the 'millenial kingdom' already happened, but don't ask me how. (Catholics, who have been described as "partial preterists" also think the "rapture" is BS.)
The fact that Jesus would say to any believer, at any time or any place, that he would spit them out of his mouth for being lukewarm is sick stuff.
Besides, there are plenty of other verses in the gospels where Jesus lays out what it takes to be a follower of his and being lukewarm is nowhere in the mix.
Oh, those words are attributed to Jesus? (I admit to not reading The Apocalypse of John of Patmos carefully enough.) Who says the Nazarene said? John of Patmos? Let me guess, he had a vision. Riiiiight…
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What is the difference between an atheist (who believes neither in a god or in the bible) and a non-fundamentalist (who "builds" a god through a subjective selection of which scriptures they interpret favorably)?
IOW, what is the difference between a non-existent god and a made-up god?
This has always been my favorite deconversion story.
This is Julia Sweeney, who played the Androgynous "Pat" on Saturday Night Live.
The video is a great example of the deconstruction that leads to deconversion. And although the emotions she displays are part of her comedic monologue, they are nonetheless a real part of the process of letting go of God.
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This reminds me of one of my favorite exchanges between Hitch and a zealot…
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waysider
Yeah, see. That kinda leaves us between a rock and a hard place. We were either following the teachings of a man with devil spirits or he was wrong about what he taught. That means he could have been
Rocky
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html Where does it come from? The Russian propaganda model of Firehose of Falsehoods.
waysider
When you consider the irony in this, it's almost comical in a perversely twisted way. Want something from God? Follow a complicated formula. Make sure to cross every T and dot every I. Want
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a naturalist would know that which dies will be born again
does the humanist see the same? doubt it
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Says who? Pleasing unto which lord?
Plus, to/for. ThIs was written TO the angel of the ekklesia in Laodicea. It was not written TO you.
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Um.
No.
Not without a clear definition of what you mean by born again.
No naturalist would say this meaningless drivel
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or a clear definition of what it is to die?
not meaningless at all, but it is the subject....or object
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One person in this conversation is actually a naturalist by definition. The one bloviating about what naturalists would know, while saying something no naturalist would say, is not that person.
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cman
the terms of naturalist and naturism has its beginnings in art and paintings of nature
of course, today the terms have been perverted
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Well in the context of this conversation that is not the meaning.
A naturalist in philosophy is someone who believes the natural world is all that is. It is incompatible with spirit or the supernatural.
All these words have histories and overlapping definitions. Best bet is to allow people to label themselves and articulate what they mean by these labels.
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yeah, the definition of a cult for sure, nothing to do with nature naturism or humanism
you can label it anything you want, but I will use the terms as they were correctly intended
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The fact that Jesus would say to any believer, at any time or any place, that he would spit them out of his mouth for being lukewarm is sick stuff.
Besides, there are plenty of other verses in the gospels where Jesus lays out what it takes to be a follower of his and being lukewarm is nowhere in the mix.
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This carries with it a couple of interesting thoughts at least:
(1) The Douay Rheims version says "vomit". This to me conveys the idea that Jesus' reaction to an unconcerned or disinterested churchgoer is one of nausea and disgust.
(2) Preterists believe all this already happened, sometime around 70 A.D. and/or shortly thereafter, and the whole bible already has been fulfilled (full preterism); Jesus REALLY meant "I come quickly" he didn't mean 2000+ years later; and talk of "end times" today is BS. "Gathering together" is BS. Preterists also believe the 'millenial kingdom' already happened, but don't ask me how. (Catholics, who have been described as "partial preterists" also think the "rapture" is BS.)
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Raf
Then you will be intentionally derailing the conversation and it will be handled accordingly.
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Thank you for the education.
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Oh, those words are attributed to Jesus? (I admit to not reading The Apocalypse of John of Patmos carefully enough.) Who says the Nazarene said? John of Patmos? Let me guess, he had a vision. Riiiiight…
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What is the difference between an atheist (who believes neither in a god or in the bible) and a non-fundamentalist (who "builds" a god through a subjective selection of which scriptures they interpret favorably)?
IOW, what is the difference between a non-existent god and a made-up god?
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Is that like asking: What’s the difference between a duck?
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Charity
The video is a great example of the deconstruction that leads to deconversion. And although the emotions she displays are part of her comedic monologue, they are nonetheless a real part of the process of letting go of God.
Ex: @ 51:30 - 53:40
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Five. Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?
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This reminds me of one of my favorite exchanges between Hitch and a zealot…
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Charity
Thank you for the clip
. I found the whole debate and will watch it later.
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Not sure what the five means but the answer seems to be you do both at the same time.
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Don’t overthink this.
Edited by Nathan_JrJust let it sit there like a duck.
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The question is: What is the difference between a duck?
Most people say, between a duck and what? Those people don’t understand the question.
Waysider understands perfectly. He answered with a mathematical accuracy and a scientific precision not know since…
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