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The Beckster - here's "Rocking Me", from his first album, "Truth". Don't have Going Down handy, although it's a great tune.

Rocking Me Good to see ya JL!

Going Down is a good tune, Jonny, definitely a hard rocker! I like the way Beck floats over the rhythm sometimes, other times digs right into it. He really does his own thing with it. It's a Freddie King tune and the original really had that fast hammering beat going, with King's biting tone on the guitar. Beck's version takes it up a notch!

Beck's a goodun, alright. When he toured for this first album I saw him and he was playing Les Paul, gold top, not sure which model. I think I read he recorded Rocking Me with a Strat though, not sure. Strats have been his instrument of choice for years. Overall his sound works on any guitar, as long as it's "Loud" as a lot of his nuance and articulation comes from the whole sound of the guitar and Fenders with single coils are very live, lots of stuff going on when it's amplified.

Paremount - he's played there before, in Oakand. I'm making a mental note to see this one, this year. A family event maybe. :dance:

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Socks - that's a hot tune you've got there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think it should be track # 2 on your CD - the follow up song to your "Waiting" tune - the cat is on the couch waiting for you to take it to the Vet in the Subaru....

And that reminds me speaking of Beck - I ordered his Beckology awhile back from Amazon - I'm still waiting for it to come - supposed to ship this month. I should have paid the extra to have LoJack on my CDs.

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Alright, Chatty! Glad you liked it! T-Bone, thank you likewise.

The twiddling goes on, forever. Slightly reworked solo, little more presence. How long?

Pretty long.

Listened to the two different versions of Beck on "Shapes of Things", the Yardbirds version and then the Jeff Beck group's version. Quite a difference. The drums and bass are much better on the second one, earthier, downer and dirtier. Cool tune. And Beck hss some of the vintage violin sound in parts.

I've read the Yardbirds tour, without Beck and with a different guitarist who's supposed to be very good. Wonder what that's like?

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Sorry I'm just now getting back to this thread... I've been working for the past 21 days straight without a day off - today is my first break - phew!

Well, you'll never guess where I was last night...

HIPPIEFEST!

Have you heard of it?

It was quite a line up:

BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS

LOVIN' SPOONFUL - RARE EARTH

MOUNTAIN WITH LESLIE WEST

BADFINGER W/ JOEY MOLLAND

COUNTRY JOE McDONALD

Plus...

Terry Sylvester Formerly of the Hollies

Felix Cavalier and the Rascals

Melanie

and emcee Wavy Gravy!

They played at Meadowbrook in Gilford, NH last night. We were in the 15th row - good seats. Pretty good show...

To top it off, Wavy Gravy was the MC for the event. I got to meet him - holy cow - that dude is seriously baked, but very sweet. It was sorta like an encounter with a friendly Alzheimer's patient... you sorta expect him to start playing with his toes, as he's telling jokes. But he's totally lovable.

The highlight, for me, was Rare Earth. They have the most incredible bassist - Randy "Bird" Burghdoff. I knew very little about the band - just their hits. Well, this dude plays lead bass - just incredible. He was all over the neck of that thing and has technique that's from another stratosphere! I was in awe... to say the least! WOW! To me, they're more Motown than hippie music - but I'm a huge Motown fan - which is part of why taking up bass guitar was so appealing to me. Anyhow, this was a very inspiring performace for me - I wish I could get it on tape... Of course they did "Get Ready", "Big Brother", and "I Just Want To Celebrate" - all good stuff. They were very tight - just excellent to watch and listen to...

The other highlight of the night was someone I'd never heard of - Melanie. Please forgive me - some of this music happened before I was born, and I was raised in a country music (read: Tennessee Ernie Ford country music) household. So some of this is new to me... Anyhow, Melanie was really ... er.... different. I hadn't heard her music before - she did "Brand New key," "What Have They Done To My Soul," and "Lay Down(Candles In The Rain) and a little bit of "Animal Crackers" (I think that was the name of the song....) but she also had her son and daughter with her - they were her band and backup vocals. Her son had incredible chops - he played a nylon string guitar - it wasn't a dread - it sounded like a classical or flamenco guitar. I had to do some creative Google-ing when I got home to learn more about them.

The other groups were pretty good - BadFinger was tight and played some favs, Mountain was just LOUD - more hard than I cared for in that sort of setting, but the lead singer/guitarist certainly had chops and I respect that! Blood, Sweat, and Tears had a great line up - their horn section was good, but I found them to be more jazz than folk or rock... All in all it was a good time!

The one thing that really got me going... "hmmmmm".... was when Country Joe did his famous "

" routine and then went into "I Feel Like I'm Fixin' To Die Rag"... and did it with a twist... he replaced the word "Vietnam" with "Iraq"... it was fitting... and chilling...

And it's one, two, three,

What are we fighting for ?

Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,

Next stop is ...Iraq...

And it's five, six, seven,

Open up the pearly gates,

Well there ain't no time to wonder why,

Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Sorta makes you think? Doesn't it? And isn't that what the music from that era was about?

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Chas -- when I first picked up a guitar back in 1968 or 1969,

FEEL LIKE I'M FIXIN TO DIE RAG was the very first song I learned!!

This was when I was just a young hippie, morphing into my present day redneck status.

(said with tongue in cheek here!) ;)

What a blast from the past!! Found an MP3 version HERE for those who have never heard it.

Ahhh - the memories. :)

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I haven't been here inaxe world before because I don't play much guitar anymore, although I still have a fender el cheapo acoustic and a Squire P-Bass. Now blues harp, that's my bag. Like Sonny Boy II said, " Don't start me ta talkin' " -----But I digress. I saw the discussion on Jeff Beck and it took me back.It also made me recall Harvey "THE Snake" Mandel and hence the reason for this post. Harvey is back on the road with a project called "Chicago Blues Reunion". All staffed by names that will send you speeding down memory lane. I have the cd/dvd "Buried aAlive In The Blues" and The Snake never sounded better.-----Question ------What's the technical scoop on how he gets that overtone,enharmonic sound that defines his style?

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If I'm not mistaken I think Melanie had a little fling with Mick back in the day... the Rascals! How did they sound? Did they play "Groovin"??? After reading your post I was wondering if any members of Spirit were still alive... and if they're out there somewhere...

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Socks - that Longgg tune needs some 12-bar blues bass guitar rollin' around over it... nice vibe. I like the reverb you got goin' on there - good tone, too!

I got some catchin' up to do on this thread - I've been workin' waaaayyyyy too much.

BTW - Beck is supposed to start out at the Hampton Beach Casino here in NH on 09/13 - we're going to try to score some tix. Hubby's seen him before - I'm sure it will be a good show. There's some great acts there this summer - holy cow! Queensryche, Black Label Society, Tesla, and John Haitt - I love John Haitt!

Anywho... it's beddy-bye time... I'll catch this later...

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Thanks Chatty! I've got a first draft with the vocal, not "quite" there yet, so I'm still playing around with it.

Yeah, there's a thumpy bass line through it, but it does need something more defined, I think you're right Chas. The bass line is embedded with the drum track, so now I gotta figure out sequencing them back in without it. More fun. :) Guitars have no effects, just a tad of reverb, so they're pretty stable.

Mountain - was the Leslie West playing? Did they do Mississippi Queen?

That's kind of amazing to me "Melanie" still performs. Wonder what she's been up to all these years? Never listened to her much.

Wavy Gravy - Hugh Romney. He's kind of a San Francisco Bay Area fixture, always into something or other. He's a perennial figure around Northern California seems like. Lives in Berkeley, kind of a lovable and very addled uncle to a certain line of the older "hippie" culture here. Saw him myself at a concert earlier this year - he sounded like he needed some rest. :rolleyes:

That sounds like quite a concert Chas! Rare Earth - I remember "I just wanna celebrate, yeah yeah!" that line from one of their hits. Very cool they're playing so well.

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welcome waysider, sorry, sounds like everyone's kind o' busy, me included. Harvey Mandell - oh yeah! I like his playing too, and he's got some great material out there still rolling around. I'd like to catch the Chicago Blues Reunion myself.

He plays a Parker Fly these days from what I've seen and heard. Back in the day he played a Gibson 335 and a Les Paul at one time.

A part of his signature sound is his vibrato - he has a big fat finger and hand vibrato when he stretches and moves the strings, always has. He's also used Echoplexes, by the sounds of it. Amp vibrato, compression and assorted chorus and flanging figures into some of the stuff he's done.

Picking wise he's very fleet of finger, as it were. Skips along through passages and pauses to wiggle a note or two. When he plays, a note is very thick and distorted usually, and there's a whole range of harmonics and echo that follows around the note, giving it a kind of "pillowy" sound. If you took a Gibosn style overdriven sound, and mixed a delay with it so the original signal was about 30 percent of the sound and the rest the delay and added reverb to it all, with that vibrato and picking styly, it'd be pretty close. But he has a LOT of sounds he uses. :dance:

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Socks--------Thanks for the info re: The Snake. Having switched to harp some time ago, I feel like I'm in the dark sometimes on special effects although the Echoplex reference as well as delay give me lots of food for thought. I don't know why more harp players don't use the effects that you axe guys do but I'm trying to expand my horizons. I have seen Paul deLay as well as Carey Bell use them quite effectively. BTW-----I blow through a Pignose G40V which was designed as a guitar amp. It has 2 6L6s, 3 12AX7s and areal beefy 10" speaker. No special effects so I take it sparingly through a Danelectro Corned Beef (reverb) and a Chili Dog (octave).I'm trying to get back to guitar a little more but the old car-pool tunnel slows me down sometimes. Kind of makes me wonder if that's not the real origin of bottleneck guitar.

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My pleasure, Chatty. Let's get bloozed. That's some interesting stuff. I especially like Nick G's voice, still strong, maybe strong after all these years.

waysider, would love to hear some harp! Mandel's got a lot going on. I think he also uses some sort of envelope filter that gets that reversed sound, or an actual reverse delay. My daughter's Toneworks rig has one and it's pretty effective at reversing. With a little technique, it gets some cool sounds.

A Chili Dog? Need to hear more about that. :)

Here's a quickie rendition of a Mandel sound I worked up - it's only a couple of his sounds, a flange and the delay mostly. Using a Fernandes Sustainer, which he may also have - a lot of players use them, installed and inviz-ible.

Not exactly the Snake, but possibly some kind of amphibious sock - a modest attempt -

Bud-Ski's

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socks-------RE: Chili Dog.-----Danelectro makes a whole line of single effect pedals with catchy names. They make two different octave pedals. 1.) French Toast, which gives an octave above with a metal sound. It's not too good for harp as you want your sound to be thicher not thinner.2.)Chili Dog, which can give one or even two octaves below. Now on harp there is a technique for playing octave where you lay the tongue down to block out notes and play one voice out of each side of the mouth thus producing a true octave. This sound has been popularised by the likes of Kim Wilson, Rod Piazza, the late William Clarke to name a few. They got it from their mentor George Smith.( Nice article on George in BLUES REVIEW a couple years ago.) With the Chili Dog you can go two octaves down and it sounds like you are playing simultaniously along side the bass pedals on a B3 organ. Very fat but only effective if used sparingly.

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Thanks waysider for the info on the Chili Dog. I've seen some of the Danelectro pedals but never tried them out. That sounds like it would add a lot to the sound. As you say, with pedals, a little usually goes a long way.

Which reminds me of a chuckle - my amp set up downstairs has a 4 channel pedal selector and each one is set up for some basic sounds I like - 1 is kind of a fat Fender sound with a tad of chorus, 2 is set at a Marshall model, 3 is a custom setting with a little overdrive and 4 is set for high gain and I change it out. When my son's over I can always tell if he's been on the amp as it's on "4" and everything on the amp is up and on 10. You turn it on and everything goes "waaafzzzqq!@@#%$!!!!" and the walls shake. It's funny, I love it! That's my son, quiet till he's on and then it's all fun, all the time. :)

Some Saturday links to go with your dancing lady ChattyKathy! I was reminded of the 60's and that made me think of Hawaii-5-O for some reason, and that made me think of the greatest instrumental rock guitar band of that era - The Ventures. Of drum solo and Mosrite guitar fame, those guys had to be the quintessential cover-band. Some very good guitar work throughout their albums of that time frame, and a lot of clunkers too. Some sound like they were recorded in the time it took to warm up the amps. Not that the Mosrite guitars helped - I used to ogle them in the local music store but by the time I tried to play one I realized they wouldn't stay in tune to save your life. But they had a very interesting sound.

Anyhoo - they were BIG for years and never bigger than in Japan - below, the live intro of the band from that album -

Intro

And a classic example of Ventures, a cover-cut, "Penetration", the Mosrite in all it's glory, and some tweezy electronic instruments to boot. Originally done by the Pyramids, and if you go back far enough to remember them, you remember they shaved their heads, they were all bald. Strang, unless you were a surfer, which I wasn't, but that was the only possible explanation and I'm not sure it was the correct one. But they were skin heads, before there was punk.

Polish up those Gp-Go boots and pass the paisley for some - :dance:

Penetration

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