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I had no idea Living in Love was removed from the bookstore …. In my memory, it is a perfect piece of cult indoctrination ,painting this idealistic picture of the early years of vpw and life on the farm. I don’t see why theyd want to bury it. I was gone by the ‘fog years’, and certainly by the regime of hate and absolute control lcm it became. Was this part of the ‘old winecaskets’ , ‘cleaning house’, and all that? What a place !

It's got to be Katherine Hepburn.

Hey hiway29, By unsanctioned I was referring to them removing it from their bookstore for sale. Also along those lines it is notably missing from MrsVPWs work. The Way prefers to have it spread as rumors and jokes as in this thread. Yes Elena sounds like a seasoned wayfer in the book.

You might need to multiply that by many times.

The snow on gas pumps was recorded in minute detail from vp’s lips to elena whitesides book, the Way Living in Love, which of course you’re aware of. I consider that book sanctioned material. That is almost a textbook on how to think, act, and talk like a seasoned wayfer.

genesis, like every book gives the readers certain info to process, to each their own you know like 2 things can be true at the same time even if it contradicts each other so a story with a lot in it reveals more as we grow there is no 1 interpretation of events

is fellowship walking in love equal to memorizing scripture? you need to experience fellowship in Christ before you can break it acquiring knowledge is not fellowship quoting scripture is not fellowship

Yeah the whole salt water thing and tying it to amniotic fluid in a woman giving birth was even more of a stretch to sanity. But Okie daddy never did excel in plausible dreams or Biblical research lol.

Hey karateka Nice to meet you. Inspiration from scripture is great. People using that as a means to control you is not. I dunno what any of this has to do with Donna whose thread you posted in. You might consider starting another thread to talk about a topic or introduce yourself more and start talking. Just a suggestion.

I find remarkably little provable evidence in most critical textualism. https://study.com/learn/lesson/euclidean-geometry-overview-history-examples.html#:~:text=Euclidean geometry refers to the,around the year 300 BCE. I look at Euclid and his concepts. He wrote down a few observations. Years later they were turned into postulates and people derived whole semesters of torture for students starting with his words lol. Now we can manufacture and print amazing objects in 3D geometry. However in direct contrast most philosophical and religious discussions devolve into a sheer waste of time with no notable progress anywhere. Faith in Jesus Christ would be the only postulate to form the correct math to me anyway. But the garbage people derive from that and call geometry or Christianity is missing logic and inspiration.

I would respond that the authors themselves had no knowledge about how their words would be foreshadowing the Messiah. If there was any element of inspiration from God in their words (way different from the theopneustos trap of every word being automatic writing from God) then God as the orchestrator could be in charge of the foreshadowing. Hosea was just writing about a drought and tying it to Israel’s lifestyle. I would agree that they are human authors. I differ in viewing them of having a “spark of the divine” in their writings. I would contend that scripture is Gods intention for humans to connect with that spark for inspiration but was never designed for Pharisee and Scribe exercises in predicting the future or coming up with unfulfillable levels of detail in laws and customs. That would be man’s natural proclivity for controlling things and adding to the narrative. Others views may vary of course

WOW. I honestly never heard this joke throughout my time in TWI. But it does not surprise me in the least. When people get to the point of crafting metal images of VPW for their clergy desks and teaching centers then the next logical step is to deify his words. All of the little stories and jokes that are told behind the scenes and off stage are really vital in maintaining the hoax. Like this one. And other tall tales of VPs prowess. Most of them were told by him but many by his sycophant followers. This reminds me of the only record of VPWs “revelation” and snow on gas pumps. It is not recorded anywhere in sanctioned TWI material. So they hid the story and just tell rumors of it behind the scenes to dupe the unsuspecting. I mean is the book “Lifelines” with quotes from VP still sold in their bookstore. They elevate VPs words to a level above scripture. You have to ask VP for the “literal translation according to usage” or VPs metaphor for “my interpretation”

In my Bible 1 Cor 12:21 says the eye cannot say to the hand I have no need of you. This cult basically lives in that doctrinal and practical error. If you live isolated from all the rest of the body of Christ, have no interaction with them throughout your life, and continue to believe you are the only sect that has the true interpretation of “God’s Word” since the first century you delude yourself. Why would I trust anything they teach in I Cor 12-14 if they can’t live one simple verse in 12:21? The fruit of their lives contradicts everything that comes out of their mouth.

Tom Berenger Paul Giamatti Richard Dreyfuss George

Indeed. George

[ A) Thank you for posting with paragraph breaks and spell checks. (You could still use some help with capitalization, but that's another thing.) B) I think it's interesting that you came right out of the barrel saying you were a graduate of a specific Way Corps, and followed that up with saying you didn't think titles were important. Didn't register to you that you were claiming a title? C) Do you ever plan on posting anything that doesn't sound like stereotypical twi/ ex-twi vocabulary? The impression you give is of someone who never gave independent thought an option. (If I were to take a guess, I'd think you were raised as twi/ex-twi rather than having made it through the Way Corps, and were rarely ever exposed to ideas that weren't twi- sourced or twi- endorsed, except when in school (if you weren't home-schooled). It would explain both the bad capitalization and the hair-trigger responses when people responded to you as themselves. D) No, I'm not exaggerating. For someone who supposedly wants to post as distinct from official twi, you sound as if they're drafting your posts for you. It's very obvious for the rest of us, and it says a lot about you whether you mean it to or not.]

That, old man Sivana, and Jason Woodrue. We just caught that episode of DS9 recently, and I was surprised that Glover was there, since I didn't recognize him until I was looking for him specifically. In his roles as Verad/ Verad Dax (which made the role possible to recognize, since the last name "Dax" is a lot more obvious) and Daniel Clamp, I saw him and he didn't look like I tend to remember him. So, it never registered to me that he played either. Your turn!

"Ol' Black Water," (the Doobie Brothers.)

I Am a Rock "Well, I built me a raft and she's ready for floating; Old Mississippi, she's calling my name," George

I can only think of Mr and Mrs Bridge, but I'm sure there were others. Three, total? George

Verad Dax, actually. Deep Space 9 used to show here every morning. I suppose Lionel Luthor would have been one of the "obvious" roles. George

Another night in the city

Chow maka seetay? Hmmm... An aristocratic taste, I see.

I prefer the Chow maka seetay. It's all a matter of taste.

First of all you are free to look at these verses any way you want. If you're asking for my response, I will offer it: Foreshadowing is a deliberate literary device. You would have to ask yourself whether the authors/writers actually intended the one to foreshadow the other. I contend they were human authors and had no such intention.