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Remember what I said about the length of the post directly correlated with the effort to con someone. And like you don't have an agenda? So shall we stop reading your post too? Notice no mention of what the complaint was. Why should we care? This is intended to muddy the water as what does this have to do with you reading Charlene's book? Again, what does this have to do with the question your supposed to be answering? Again this has to do with what? Again, so what? Notice no statement answering why Saint Vic cheated on research. You got the answer? So what is it? Yah, like the story of the 1942 promise which has multiple versions. See Wordwolf's post above for the link. Something that was obviously so important to you and you forgot? But, hey, you didn't forget to pay yourself on the back. Conclusion: A long rambling post meant to muddy the water. A simple question requires a simple answer. Did you get back to reading Charlene's book?

"Why VPW would cheat at research? I figured then, no one's perfect. But I was sad about it. Then 1998 rolled finally around two decades later and I got my answer. I was stunned at what I found, when I considered the possibly deeply that the 1942 Promise actually happened. I had treated it as an exaggeration, or a figure of speech or something. I figured he was only 26 then, so no big deal. I just didn't know until 1998. Now I understand." ==================== But the 1942 Promise has been scrutinized from several angles, and has been proven to NOT have happened beyond any REASONABLE doubt. It was never meant as an exaggeration, nor a figure of speech. It was something said by someone, who knew it was not true, who intended that people believe it. In other words, IT WAS A LIE. The several angles are quite easy to review- for anyone who isn't afraid of what they might find. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24980-concerning-the-failure-of-the-1942-promise/

Just out of curiosity Mike have you had a chance to read penworks book yet? You have a lot of speculation going on about a time period and people that are very well documented in her book. She was there, was Corps, worked for Walter as head of the research dept, and writes a great history about that time period. Have you read it?

The S stands for hope. Seems legit.

The above list reflects your cult mentality. The benefits listed did not come from Saint Vic's ministry, they came from God. Saint Vic's part in it was to steal others works and claim they were his discoveries.

"The interpretation should be about the same length as the tongue." Uh oh!

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Is there a written list?

From an accuracy perspective I view the promise as an invented story after the fact where a minister faked SIT on stage at an Oral Robert’s convention, this debacle was witnessed by an attending minister, who took the time to placate the ministers misogyny and help lead him where he was stuck. Then the faking lo shonta minister stayed in touch with the helping minister long enough to obtain a copy of his gifts of the spirit book to copy. Back then there was no internet, and no way for multiple people in different geographical locations to compare stories, at least not quickly. VP figured he owned a printing press and nobody would be the wiser to his lifting tendencies. So if a man steals a manuscript in the woods where nobody is around to witness it, is he still a thief? My own story SIT has an interesting parallel. I attended a denominational church as a youth. One of the youth group elders 2 grades ahead attended an Oral Robert’s convention, where he was led into SIT. Without all the fakes. He came home taught it to me privately and it worked. Anyway there’s my story and viewpoint regarding the whatever year it was supposed to be made up in promise. This is sounding more Mormon by the moment. ”Go home and pray on it whether the Joseph Smith story is true”. “ we know the apostles just changed the story about the Moroni tablets and the hat reading but it was God durn it in a historic event”.

I see. God raised you up to write a unique version of Way history this is not how you say ”shallow, wimpy, lifeless version of truth about the Bible” So much so that you won’t even read a full firsthand account of another historian. Wow that is certainly a unique perspective. You seem to prefer the real manly man version of truth about the Bible. The one where all the women belong to the king. The one where you censor yourself in research to secretary notes for 2 decades. The one where actual idols are OK but “anti-idols” are hate filled and not loving. It does highlight 100% how anti Christ the hardcore TWI brain is.

The only thing huge there are egos. Huge and frail.

#1 and #2 good plagiarism, #3 keep that revenue stream coming in, #4 -#7 thanks for the sermon notes Rhoda, #8 and #9 ecumenical doesn’t pay the bills, #10,#11 undertow City. I guess our perspectives differ there…

Charity, I would encourage you to read widely and deeply on GSC. Many dozens of victor's asserted claims have been refuted with evidence here. Current posters have convincingly refuted victor's quackery, as have others who aren't so regular anymore, like Raf and Skyrider and Penworks... (and others I can't recall at this moment.) There is nothing to fear, including the possibility of being wrong. When one first admits to not knowing and embraces that not knowing, so much will be revealed that was previously unseen by smug, all-knowing eyes. When one admits to knowing nothing, one can know so much. A paradox.

This is such a typical, childish cop out maneuver. Anyone serious about real, honest research would be happy to have a an honest discussion about it. Arriving at a different conclusion doesn't mean one thinks they know more than somebody. It just means one is no longer convinced of the other's proposition. That leader, imitating victor, was likely too embarrassed of his own ineptitude (again, imitating victor) that all he could do was deflect and pout (again, imitating victor).

I do not play a victim. Yes you do. This whole post is on long poor me essay.

Right. Ugly truths are to be augmented with prettier truths so they aren’t so ugly. Ugly facts that could lead to ugly truths need to be hidden, because really young believers to the cult need time to build the prettier truths into their head before facing the ugly facts that could direct them to the ugly truths rather than the prettier augmenting truths. And it’s only the prettier truths in the Word that will make them free not the uglier truths. I see it all now. I can see the difference. Thanks for making it all so clear for me. I think you are the perfect person to write the Ways history from 1982 - present.

What prevented me from learning from the collaterals is that they were written in gibberish. But considering the Manifestations, that was the standard.

The real thing was a LOT more exciting than you're picturing it. "The huge, stupid, nostalgic error of Paul" was consenting of Stephen's DEATH, and planning to have all the Christians rounded up and imprisoned, including women and children. There's also no guarantee any elder was "possessed". We know one had sons who were really messed up, but otherwise, their problems could all have been greed, pride, and corruption. The banning of the research paper that condemned adultery was completely an attempt to cover up the adultery. By preventing (they thought) any discussion and any thinking on the subject of adultery, they thought they could keep getting away with it- and some of them DID. I Corinthians 13:6 KJV. "6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;" It means that I should not join in when someone suggests that orgies are fine with God and tries to twist the meaning of a verse to allow that. It also means that I should take my joy in actually knowing the truth on sexual morality and base my OWN actions on the truth. There's a great, big world out there. There's lots of opportunities to apply the verses of the Bible, not just the opportunities endorsed by Mike. There's lots of people who need God's Love. There's a lot of hearts that need healing. There's a lot of bodies that need healing. There's a lot of lives to effect. There's a lot of differences to make. In many of them, people welcome the chance to change or get God's help. We don't need to confine our efforts to a handful that have already been resistant to any such help- but if they show themselves ready, we CAN offer them a hand up if it seems to us the time is right- and that's only by our sole estimation.