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Evidence is sand in the machinery of beleeef.

The greatest secret was just a sales pitch used by VPW...kinda like Step Right up from PT Barnum...

I think I might see the problem.

Mike wrote: Here is one example of this evolving road down here at GSC: the recent belief that the Bible does not interpret itself that has grown up here in some in fairly recent years. This is a very equivalent to the belief that the Bible is of un-coordinated origins, and lacking authority in lives today. It's not the work of an accurate God, nor an authoritative God who is powerfully in charge. It follows that the Bible is not the revealed Word and will of God in this thinking path. My reply: Yes, it's out of context, but I want it noted that I finally agree with Mike on something. The funny thing to me is, the REASON you keep having to fight off this pattern of thinking is really simple: The evidence leads to this conclusion. And if you're really following the evidence, you will keep ending up on the same road. "The Bible does not interpret itself" is not a presupposition. It is the conclusion you reach after realizing your presupposition is mistaken.

"Superman"? Brando was lazy and didn't learn his lines. (His farewell to "Kal-el" was written on the infant's diaper. He might have tried to say that Kryptonians weren't humanoid. George

Yes, it's out of context, but I want it noted that I finally agree with Mike on something. The funny thing to me is, the REASON you keep having to fight off this pattern of thinking is really simple: The evidence leads to this conclusion. And if you're really following the evidence, you will keep ending up on the same road.

Agree...

I'd go with that. I'd consider the greatest secret NOT in the world today to be the date and time of Jesus Christ's return.

The Tao = The Way ”The Tao that can be told is not the Eternal Tao.” - Lao Tzu

One great secret, IMO, is how "Let go and Let God" is not exclusively a Christian practice.

I don't know if this is a secret, but this little clip is everything. These children have not yet been indoctrinated and conditioned to beleeeve. Oh, how clearly they see! Either one can see what is going on here or one cannot. The Truth, the secret, here cannot be taught. It cannot be learned. It is beyond beleeef. Mark 10:14 Matt 18:1-6 Matt 19:14 Matt 11:25 Luke 10:21 Luke 18:17 John 3:3

From the article: “But Muslim fundamentalists regard the Koran—every word of it—as God’s own language, and they have violently attacked freethinking scholars as heretics. So Muslim intellectuals have been intimidated, and Islam has often been transmitted by narrow-minded extremists,” Kristof said. Sounds familiar. —- ”Virgin” was mistranslated in the Bible, too. It’s no secret that the Abrahamic religions are preoccupied with sex and virginity. Even pseudo-Christian cults, like the one founded by victor paul wierwille, have profoundly twisted issues with sex.

Yep, and thats total BS. That is probably based on the law of believing, which traces it's roots back to the the new thought metaphysics movement made popular by Phineas Parkhurst Quimby then traces to Mary Eddy Baker (Christian Science Founder) and then to E.W. Kenyon and then to Wierwille. If you wannta get into it on this false doctrine then lets head over to doctrinal. But that quote "Fear ruins more men's ministry than anything else" is BS. You wanna know what likely ruings more men's ministries? Love of money, raw lust, and greed. If fear were such an all emcompassing factor that can just ruin lives then why wasn't it listed in the bible where the devil tempted Jesus? - Create bread out of stones to relieve his own hunger (not keeping God as his number one source of sustenance) - Leap from a pinnacle and rely on angels to break his fall. (tempting God, when God cannot be tempted) - Kneel before Satan in return for all the kingdoms of the world. (worship the devil and serve him) Anywho, I'm skating in thin ice here and don't want to derail this topic with doctrinal issues. I am happy to debate the law of believing in-depth. It's already been covered on GSC to the max anyway.

ain't that the truth. I got to the point after a while that I didn't trust my own memory because so many people always contradicted it. since I got out, I realized my memory is actually excellent, and those people were really abusive, manipulative liars. history can't be rewritten just so people feel good about themselves, yet they do it all the time.