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No I do not. VPW clearly lied about so many things I don’t trust his accounts anywhere. I think he had other motives for many things like the India trip, chimes hour, etc. PFAL included an extended account of a man with a withered hand being healed just like Jesus did. That account has logistical holes in it but the homiletic reason for making it up is very clear. Calling himself “The Teacher” and “The Doctor” are narcissistic terms that also play into his constructed persona. His true personality was narcissistic, mean, and entitled.

I wrote the following blog September 9, 2015 at https://charleneedge.com Phenomena known as mind-control or brainwashing have been written about by psychologists, sociologists, and many other “ists.” Now it’s my turn. Note: This post was written in 2015, about one year before I published my memoir, Undertow, about my cult experience. My name is Charlene, and I am a former cult-ist The mere fact I am a former cult follower makes some cult researchers consider my testimony as non-objective, which makes what I say at the very least suspect; at most, unreliable. Their suspicions include: I might have an axe to grind. I probably exaggerate. I let my emotions color the real nature of my experience. Okay. Maybe. But show me a 100% objective researcher. No human being can be 100% objective, but I’d like to think I can add valuable insight into how intense indoctrination hijacked the “real me” and in its place substituted a facsimile, at least at the beginning of my seventeen-year long involvement. This alteration of vulnerable youth is covered in the news nowadays. It’s called ISIS recruitment. The group that altered my identity was The Way International, a fundamentalist cult. Ever since I left in 1987 I’ve been examining what happened to me, what transpired during that era of my journey on the planet. What did it all mean? I’ve written an entire book about this, a memoir I’ve finished and yet to have published. He lost me to a cult Doing research about how the indoctrination that I underwent changed my identity, I asked one person still alive who witnessed the dramatic change in me up-close—my former boyfriend, Rob Ruff. We were together the summer of 1970, just before I went off to college where the cult, founded by Victor Paul Wierwille, recruited me. I broke up with Rob because he would not adopt my cult’s beliefs. Much later, Rob worked in television and became a senior news producer for a major network. He is well acquainted with interviewing people and portraying their stories. We’ve had dinner twice within the last three years and discussed those old times. Here are a few snippets from Rob’s account of me before The Way’s influence and then after I spent three months on The Way’s Ohio farm in 1971 for a 24/7 summer school program of indoctrination into beliefs claimed to be “the accuracy of the Word,” the Bible. Rob writes: “The Charlene I remembered pre-Wierwille was an engaging, bright-eyed, flexible teenager who fit in seamlessly with all around her. There was nothing rigid, obstinate, single or closed-minded about her. It was clear there was a bright bulb inside that was reflected in a personality that fit well within the boundaries of ‘normal.'” “…That August [after Charlene went to Way summer school] our reunion started out well enough, but once religion and The Way took center stage everything changed. You seemed to erect an invisible wall of silence and detachment from the subject at hand—and from me. It was as though someone had taken over your body and transformed you into a single-minded person incapable of normal or ever any interaction with anyone except fellow believers…I was speaking to a wall…the brightness and life that I remembered was replaced by detachment.” He wrote more about this that I plan to use in a longer article, but for now, in light of recent news stories about the power of ISIS to brainwash vulnerable and disaffected young men and women around the world, I felt it was important to address this subject. It is real. It happened to me. Mind control happens Brainwashing happens out of the mainstream, but powerful sociopaths can and do grab a person’s mind when that mind is susceptible and yearning for certainty in a confusing world. Usually the powerful influencer makes appealing promises, like rewards in the afterlife. We see ISIS terrorists on T.V. almost every day grabbing recruits and turning them into killing machines. And we don’t have to look far into the past to find Hitler’s Youth amassing. I’ve been to Germany. I saw the Dachau ovens. We’ve promised ourselves, NEVER AGAIN. The question is: how well are we paying attention to that promise? Cults destroy cherished ideals In his New York Times article, ISIS and the Curse of The Iraq War, John Cassidy asks, “What explains the reluctance among politicians to consider confronting, head-on, a movement that has been intent on eradicating ideals that the United States and its allies hold dear?” Are we too overwhelmed by and under-educated about ISIS to dismantle it? I just don’t know. I do know that there are destructive cults in our own country that eradicate ideals, like free speech and respect for all civil rights that we hold dear. They don’t go around beheading in the name of God like ISIS, but predatory cults can still form non-profit organizations and can get away with unsavory, even criminal acts. Like changing people’s identity. Until someone blows the whistle. Where are the whistles? By: Steven Depolo How do we deal with the single-mindedness I had that Rob described? I exhibited it AFTER I’d been under the influence of a charismatic authoritarian. Victor Paul Wierwille, founder of The Way, was so powerful that he led me to abandon ideals my country holds dear, like freedom of speech and the democratic value of debating ideas, not insisting you have all the right ones. In the cult, I spoke only “the Word” as defined by Wierwille. I derided anyone who did not believe as I did. I de-valued them. I hurt, abandoned, and confused my friends and family. What’s good about that? The good news is that mind control can be undone, but it is not easy. A person has to wake up. This occurs in different ways for different people, if it does at all. Some people never leave cults. For the most part, education was the catalyst that helped me regain some semblance of my old self. After I escaped the cult, I finished my college education and made new friends—ones who loved me for who I was. Identity theft by any destructive cult is something to worry about, something to derail whenever possible. It is real, but it is not always permanent. Returning to interests, hobbies, and people you love helps recovery. For people born into a cult, the task is harder. There is no pre-cult identity to regain. I know some of those people and believe me, they are scarred in ways I am not. I’m grateful I retrieved some sense of the person I was pre-Way (only wiser, I hope!) I’ve tried to get that bright bulb burning again. Many kind and loving people have helped me do it. So has education. Light dispels darkness. Knowledge is power. Critical thinking is essential. Love mends minds. Rob writes: “And by the way, the person I know today in no way resembles the one from 1971!” Two helpful books Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships by Janja Lalich and Madeline Tobias Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan ***** You are invited to subscribe to these posts by entering your email address in one of the Subscribe to Updates boxes at this site. I never will sell or share your email address. See you next time.

An interesting point about vpw talking about power was that vpw usually ripped off other people's stories, other people's accounts of things happening, or he just made some up to support some point (his sole training was in HOMILETICS, or making stuff up.) So, we got accounts of him healing lots of people where there were no witnesses and no proof very far away.... and when he couldn't produce even a FEW of those locally with twi'ers, it was THEIR FAULT he couldn't do it because the people in India believed to get healed and the people in the US didn't. So, vpw heals some imaginary people- or pretends he healed some real people, depending- and then when it doesn't happen here, he blames the people trying to get the deliverance. Things were never vpw's fault, to hear vpw say it. Other times, he copied anecdotes from real Christians- which wasn't as common because he would lack details. But their accounts helped him fill in the details of the fictional accounts he allegedly performed. If there is a Real God, this is NOT how He works, nor would He rely on con-men and hoaxsters to get the job done. But you've heard He did- that's right, the con man insisted God Almighty worked through him and he was doing what God Almighty wanted. Looking back, do you still buy that one?

Has anyone examined their own contributions to threads like this? Do you think this kind of thing might have factored into the person who posted on reddit figuring s/he might not be able to find the answers sought for his/her early life in TWI? Just sayin'

I realize GSC doesn't condemn those who no longer believe in God. But I figure there are still followers of Wierwille's ministry who might benefit from this (probably quite salient) reflection.

No. Your problems are yours not mine. It's on you not me or anyone else.

There is literally no place in scripture that requires anybody to forgive so the person who was wronged can move on in life...thats utter BS. We shoudnt harbor bitterness or take vengance into our own hands, but forgiveness is given to the one who comitted the offence(s) after they repent and ask for it. Obviously, we can intercede and ask for forgiveness for someone else the same way Christ did with the malefactor or where Christ spoke of those who crucified him saying forgive them for they know not what they do. Offshoots, and I mean all of them. Offshoots of the way international have a VESTED interest in requiring victims forgive predator victor paul wierwille, et al., because how else can they keep people roped in, giving them money so they can have cushy little jobs at the local home church office? Jesus himself taught: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

I dont know much about what manifesting the power of God actually is for TWI...I tend to think manifesting the power of God for TWI means a person can believe to get stuff so they can give stuff to the way international. What has happened in my life is God has worked mightily in my life before, during, and after the way international...especially after TWI. And yes: signs miracles and wonders. God is not bound by the way international, or anyone's believeing for that matter. God is not bound at all and the way international does not accurately represent him or know him. Most people rationalize God away and deny his existance...strange wonder they "see" no signs miracles and wonders....even if God did them they would get rationalized away as something else.

I think you've got a good point there. If we're posting just to vent and make ourselves feel better, that looks different than if we're posting to make a point worth making, and maybe making a difference for someone who needs a little help but doesn't want to ask a complete stranger (or doesn't know how to- after twi, either is likely.)

This reminds me of a fallacious adage I’ve long despised: Those who can’t do, teach. There is a kernel of truth in that otherwise unenlightened cliché. A tremendous kernel. That’s riiight.

I hope she comes over here and interacts. There are only about 10 active posters and many have different beliefs and agendas, but if she wants the truth about the history of TWI and all of the detail about the Corps she will have to dig up some stories here.