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It does seem evident that the sinner's REPENTANCE is a necessary part of the equation. We forgive IF HE REPENTS. If he continues in sin and demands forgiveness regardless, that's nothing at all like we are instructed to do, and we don't have to do it. We are, however, to be wary around anyone who would demand it, or even ask it, for that matter. Now, for those who would SINCERELY wonder about someone trespassing AND REPENTING all day (7 times), I would point out that HYPERBOLE is a legitimate figure of speech people use all the time in English, and others understand them all the time. It's possible to misunderstand hyperbole- as it's possible to misunderstand ALL communications- but it's a lot more common if someone's TRYING to misunderstand it. [/b] [/b] Example of misunderstanding clear communication: William Shatner: " I’ve spoken to many of you, and some of you have traveled… y’know… hundreds of miles to be here, I’d just like to say… GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it’s just a TV show! I mean, look at you, look at the way you’re dressed! You’ve turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME! It's just a TV show!" Fan: "Are you saying we should pay more attention to the movies?"

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We are talking about forgiveness and the forgiver and the forgiven and absolution and resentment and responsibility and letting go and… Repentance Sincere regret or remorse; a change of mind or purpose… a change within spurred by deep regret or remorse. This change, this repentance, will be self evident. It will be seen. It will be obvious. It will not require belief. One may have legitimate doubts about an offender’s apology, especially if it is no sincere apology at all, but it’s a manipulative dodge. And the apology may appear or sound sincere, especially to the good-hearted offended who wants to forgive. Anyone ever in a relationship with an NPD has heard these apologies seven times a day for 7000 consecutive days — they are mere hollow, empty platitudes. How can you know if someone is truly repentant? They will be changed in their heart and word and deed, they will live this change, and this change will be seen by all.

I don’t view atheists as having reprobate minds. I think I called you some names though over the hypocrisy of purporting to speak for what God wants while not believing in Him. I was over the line calling you names. I apologize. The scenario I can think of regarding the 70 x 7 answer I can make a parallel to my dogs behavior. I have a hound pup whose nose gets him in trouble and I have to get after him 70 times a day easily. But I can’t get bitter towards him because he’s a pain. He’s a sweet pup. Sometimes I get exhausted dealing with him so he goes in his crate and wife and I get a break. Thats probably a stupid example but it’s the working one I have.

Honestly I am divided on this topic. All the bickering is unpleasant. However without it certain people control the narrative 100 percent. This topic of “forgiveness” is among the worst for that due to how all these cults manipulate it so that they are not responsible to either ask for or to grant forgiveness from another. False forgiveness keeps people in cults. Genuine forgiveness releases a burden and allows for healing.

In case anyone would like further insight on forgiveness, I suspect the late Desmond Tutu knew something about it. The Book of Forgiving: The Fourfold Path for Healing Ourselves and Our World

There are ways God can heal us of emotional pain and things we can do when working things out so we can "move forward," but requiring forgiveness of an unrepented offender is not one of them. Thanks again OldSkool for not beating around the bush on this idea.

Let’s look at this forgiveness topic from another perspective. The BODummies recently sent out a “come on home” postcard to a certain select group in their list of former member/slaves. They did not send out the postcard to the entire list. Most notably they don’t like people who post on this site and will never invite them back. On this site we don’t blame their victims but help them recover. We don’t excuse their immorality we call them out on it. We have done no evil here. Why can’t they forgive us for telling the truth about them? Why aren’t people hounding them to forgive everyone who left for understandable reasons? They use worldly designated “statuses” on their records to help them not forgive. And most of those mark and avoids like the RNR group were people trying to help them right the ship. I think some people should take their forgiveness guilt trip and shove it right back down the throat of the people demanding it of them but not doing it themselves. That’s what I do.

Yah, forgiveness. Everytime my mother would betray me, she would want to be forgiven. "We've got to start over from scratch," she would say. So I would forgive and forget and all she was really doing was setting me up for her to do the same thing all over again. It sound to me like you want us to forgive and forget. God require us to forgive, he says nothing about us having to forget. God says we are to be as wise a serpents, which includes not falling into the same trap again. The ministry sending out time to come home cards feels like deja vu all over again. The type of forgiveness you want us to have requires trust and trust is earned.