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Delusions and deceptive fabrications are seldom noticed by bystanders when they are still in the conceptual stage. :) Page 5 Word Of Knowledge "The manifestation of Word of Knowledge is your operation of the God-given ability whereby you may receive from God, by His revealing it to you, certain truths or facts concerning any situation about which it is humanly impossible for you , by your five senses, to know anything." Sooooo-- Looking at it from a strictly semantic angle, why couldn't phenomena be considered a form of revelation? Ya know, like a Poodle (such as CoCo) is still a dog. It's just a specific kind of dog. Didn't wierwille teach that God speaks to you within the framework of your personal understanding? Oh, wait. Then there's that part about"your operation". Well, wierwille taught that phenomena could be distinguished from ordinary miracles because it involved something that wasn't promised. Ergo, "your operation" in the matter is you telling God to give you a specific kind of sign that wasn't promised. His "revealing" it to you is revelation. Get it? revealing---revelation? Of course, this is all contingent upon the entire concept being valid in the first place. And, if we assume it must be valid because it is part of the revelation that God gave wierwille that hadn't been known since Paul was sprouting Mung Beans, we will be sorely disappointed because the definitions for the manifestations found in the AC syllabus were lifted verbatim from another source that seems to have evaded any sort of bibliographical mention in the class texts. Maybe if I SIT much it will come to me while my mind has turned off that part of the brain that is anesthetized while glossolalia is in progress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia Neuroscience In 2006, at the University of Pennsylvania, researchers, under the direction of Andrew Newberg, MD, completed the world’s first brain-scan study of a group of individuals while they were speaking in tongues. The study concluded that while participants were exercising glossolalia, activity in the language centers of the brain actually decreased, while activity in the emotional centers of the brain increased. During this study, researchers observed significant cerebral blood flow changes among individuals while exercising glossolalia, concluding that the observed changes were consistent with some of the described aspects of glossolalia. Further, the researchers observed no changes in any language areas, suggesting that glossolalia is not associated with usual language function. [21] [22] [23] "ninny-sense"---

Amen, Brother, Amen!

Personally, I think the closer we examine what we were taught, the more the contradictions become apparent. Buy,hey, that's just my opinion.

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From Page 42, 43--Born Again to Serve. "Rev. Wierwille said the following of his days in Payne: (1941-42?) And the sun was shining brightly. It was in the fall of the year. Gorgeous. There wasn't a cloud in the sky. And just on the inside of me it seemed to say, "Well, just say to the Father, "Well, if it'll just snow right now, you'll just know that this is God talking to you.'" Cause you see. I'd never had much experience with God's talking to me. And this business of His saying to me, just as audibly as I am speaking to you, that He'd teach me the Word if I'd teach it, sort of shook me. I'd been expecting to hear from heaven for a long time, but I hadn't heard that way before. Oh, my ears were perhaps clogged up. Since that time I've heard a lot of things from Him. And I said, "Lord, to know that this is true, I'd like to see it snow." And I opened my eyes, and it was pitch-black, almost pitch-black outside, and the snow was falling so thick. I have never seen it fall that thick since that day. And I sat in that little office, and I cried like a baby. Because I guess it was about my time to cry because I'd grown up but I didn't know the Word. And from that day on since He promised He'd teach me the Word, I have tried with all my heart to learn this Word. Rev. Wierwille never told anyone of this experience until much later when he was teaching The Way Corps. It was a most astounding phenomenon which he kept to himself. ------------------------------------------------------------- Now from page 10 of the Advance Class syllabus: Keys To Walking By The Spirit 3. Speaking in tongues daily is prerequisite to revelation. --------------------------------------------------------- When did VP say he was led into tongues? Was he speaking in tongues daily when this happened? and Remember how he taught in the Advanced Class that you can't dictate the terms of revelation or phenomena? Yet, here he is, telling God to make it snow. Maybe he should have sat through the class a few more times himself.

Oh, I don't know. Where else can you go to find "59 ways to serve millet"?

Well, like I've said before, they might be perfectly nice people. I really don't know. I guess I just don't understand why someone would want to bake a new cake using an old recipe that calls for ingredients which are known to be toxic. I mean, if you're baking cookies and the directions say"toss in some arsenic", does it not seem to be a cause for alarm?

Oh, yeah, I heard the exact same thing. In fact, that might even be an exact quote of what I heard. (or pretty darn close) Even admitting you we're THINKING about retirement funds was seen as a sign of negative believing. Instead, you could be investing that money in a ministry that could do something worthwhile with it. You know, like buy Harleys, jets, hunting & fishing gear and trips-------

Brent maintains he did nothing "wrong". Well, let's see-----he laid in bed with naked under-aged girls and told them it was a "spiritual" experience. Where have I heard that line before?

I believe it was Firesign Theater who once posed the question, "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?"

Freddie Hubbard

Hi, sunballer15 Welcome to GSC. Here is something from their site that describes their goals: To Fearlessly Pursue an Understanding of these Principles: 1. Acquire an in-depth spiritual perception and awareness. 2. Receive training in the whole Word so as to be able to teach others. 3. Physical training making your body, the "vehicle" of communication of the Word, as vital as possible. 4. Practice believing to bring material abundance to you and the Ministry. 5. Go forth as leaders and workers in areas of concern, interest and need. You may or may not recognize those as being the old Way Corps principles. Speaking only for myself, I find principle #4 to be quite alarming, given what is now known about the true nature of "the law of believing". Equally alarming is the "material abundance" that was amassed originally by the efforts and sacrifices of the thousands of people who unwittingly participated in what amounted to a multi-level-marketing scheme. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/radio/...ohn-juedes.html http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/editor...god-needed.html http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=18902 It's also alarming to peek in on the dubious origins of PFAL, the class that started the whole ball rolling. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=277 edited for typos and clarity

Names People have varied reasons for using or not using real names. I prefer not to ask what their reasons are. The Way Corps site is closed corporation. You can't wander about the site unless you were WC or had a close relationship, such as a spouse or child. And that is fine with me. I have no desire to go there other than to perhaps find out "whatever became of (fill in the blank)"? If someone on that site is , for example, seeking employment or a business loan, a google search is not going to link them to a cornfield cult with which they might rather not be publicly associated. Lots of companies have sites that restrict access to "employees only". They're sometimes called INTRA-net. If one is not an employee or agent of such a company there is no reason for them to be there. This site is different. Anyone can walk in off the street, so to speak, and access all sorts of information. You don't need to log in or even join unless you want to actively participate (ie: post, PM, etc.). The open aspect of this site serves an important role in providing people with a place where they can freely and anonymously access information that might otherwise be buried.

BUMP Bumping this up for newcomers. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...ic=4698&hl=

Hypothetically speaking, suppose I owned a business that specialized in steam powered pencil sharpeners. Not much interest in steam powered pencil sharpeners these days. Seems there was a quality control problem some odd years ago that soured the market for steam powered pencil sharpeners. What to do. What to do. Hmmmmm----Maybe I could open my own version of the $1.22 store and market them as alternative fuel powered pencil sharpeners. Might have customers rushing in by the bus load. You just never know.

He might be a nice enough guy. I don't know ----Never met him. Makes ya wonder, though, if anyone there is aware of the sordid history behind the books on that shelf. Do they offer classes? Do they use those books in the classes? Does the copyright owner collect royalties for their use? Maybe the PFAL franchise system is living incognito. Or maybe they're just storing them up in anticipation of Burn The Chaff Day.

Yum!---Hassenpfeffer and spaetzle---Bring it on!

Well, I found out in early 2008 that I never really had any job security to begin with. At least I have a head start on some of the newly furloughed on how to deal with unemployment.

Disclaimer---The following is personal opinion I think VPW was very much like the fictional character, Harold Hill, in Meredith Willson's "The Music Man". He knew full well he was really a con man but reveled in others' heroic perception of him. Beneath it all, he never lost sight that it was a scam. LCM, on the other hand, accepted the myth of heroism while ignoring the reality. Maybe that's where wierwille blew it. He failed to realise that LCM couldn't separate reality from illusion.

I feel the same way. --------------------------------------------- Something else I've thought about: Ever notice how lots of people who come here haven't had much previous on-line experience? I know I surely hadn't. Yet, because of the nature of the site's purpose, people reach out and help each other to navigate and search and find answers. You don't find that on many other sites where the order of the day seems to be "every man for himself". GSC is more than just a web site. It's a community.

I remember it being Household Holidays in about the mid 1970s. We were well schooled in its pagan origins. I think I must have been gone already (at least mentally) when it was called Ho-Ho. In my opinion, it was kind of a rationalization that made it "o.k." for folks who were on assignments away from home to return and celebrate with their families without actually celebrating the so called pagan nature of it. So it was "household" in a family context rather than the "One True Household" sense. Incidentally, the sowers site has photos of them celebrating "Christmas" for whatever that's worth.

R.I.P., Delaney

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Leafytwiglet's recipe for fruitcake Dark Deluxe Fruit Cake 1 C. Oil 1 1/2 C packed brown Sugar 4 eggs 3 C sifted Flour 1 t. baking powder 2 t. all spice 1 t cinnamon 1 t cloves 2t salt 1 cup apple or pineapple juice 1 1/2 c whole candies cherries 1 c thinly sliced citron 1 c chopped candied Pineapple 1 cup seedless raisins 1 cup chopped figs 3 cups chopped nuts (if you do not like citrons and candied fruit you can use instead 4 1/2 c of chopped dried fruit and 1 c of raisins... I prefer this one as I am not a big fan of the candied fruits) Preheat oven to 275 mix oil sugar and eggs together Beating for 2 minutes. Mix dry ingredients together thoroughly. mix 1 cup of the flour mixture with the dried fruits and nuts, mix the rest of the flour with the egg oil and fruit juice Then combine this with the dried fruit and nut mixture. Line 2 greased Loaf Pans 8.5x4.5x2.5 with brown paper or parchment. pour batter into the pans put a pan of water on the lower oven rack and bake for the cakes fro 2.5 -3 hours after baking allow the cakes to cool for 15 minutes then remove from the pans. Do not remove paper until the cakes are thoroughly cooled. Store by wrapping tightly in aluminum fool and storing in a jar in a cool dark place. For the Booze part I think you add it to the cake in the jar but We never did the booze with it