waysider

Just pretend you're "witnessing" to a newbie.

No idea

It was the same way in FLO. Communes don't work.

I hear Thomas Loy Bumgarner has a birthday today. :dance: :dance:

Anybody remember rice crust pizza? Sorry, I don't know how to make it. I always kinda liked it.

Geez!! Don't youze guys know nuttin'? They stood in the gap for us all and saved the country from being overrun by the adversary and his minions.

20 Mule Team Borax http://www.20muleteamlaundry.com/index.cfm?page_id=56 Recognize this former pitch man?

You've got me thinking now, Groucho. Whatever became of all his motorcycles? I know a few people who wouldn't mind having that old restored Indian he had.

I agree, Skyrider. In that geographic area, 147 acres isn't squat. I know people who work 50 hour weeks and farm more land than that in their off hours. Here is a link to part of the situation with Mrs. W. that I alluded to in my previous post. She, of course, has since passed away. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/news/l...-wierwille.html

This puzzles me as well. I mean, this (TWI) is an organization that virtually kicked Mrs. W. to the curb. And now they want to emulate them????

Yes, but that's beside the point.

I'll fix yer flat tire, Merle

Yeah, when I took PLAF (The Wonder Class), TIP was like the hidden track on a CD. There wasn't any indication it was there until session #12 was in the can. I sat through it at a different location the weekend after I finished PLAF (TWC). Then, not long after that, (1972?) the Intermediate came out and we had to pay $45 more to take that if we wanted to be eligible for the AC. TIP was really the same basic material but in condensed form. There were lots of "excellor sessions", too. I guess that explains why it took three days to cover what they used to cover in one fairly short session. At the time, it seemed like kind of a rip to me because I already did tongues with interpretation and prophesy before I even took the foundational. But, being an obedient sort of wayfer dude, I coughed up the extra change. When was the first AC? That might hold the key to the answer.

Well----- The (2) 3's would make it "completely established", dontcha know?

Just out of curiousity, has anyone in this discussion read Eyesopen's book? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...c=16888&hl= (I have not read it, myself.)

Glass Onion

The "date/switch" game was not just some isolated thing that some WOW's stumbled on out of desperation to sell the class. It came all the way from HQ. Consider this. The class I took in 1972 was run by someone sent by HQ. He was not a local. The guy and gal, and all the other area believers, kept their relationship completely under wraps until I discovered it myself by accident after session 5 or 6. Then, I suddenly found myself being undershepharded by a person of my own gender. They convinced me that since I had already invested so much time and money in it, ($65 was a week's pay back then.) I should at least go ahead and finish it. It was too late to back out by then. I was hooked. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if something like that is going on with the situation being discussed. And you know what? It wouldn't even matter if there is sex going on or not, it's still a deceptive practice that's been ongoing for decades. So much for the innocence of "the good old days."

I can personally testify to the practice of "date and switch". That's what got me into "the class", though there was actually no sex involved. About midway through the class I found out she was engaged to the guy running the class. I suppose it just slipped her mind to mention it to me. <_<

Hallelujah

The Sun is up, the sky is blue---

No doubt about it. They definitely taught (publicly) that sex outside of marriage was taboo. (Refer to CF&S class if in doubt.) In fact, in Fellow Laborers, anyone who did have sex, and was found out, was thrown out in the middle of the night. See ya later, alligator. Have a nice life. Get outta Dodge before the Sun comes up. Celibacy was the behavior du jour back in the '70's. The WOW's were told, "Keep it in your pants." 'Course, we're talkin' 'bout your everyday peon, here. (Joe B. Leever) The ministry working class, if you will. Meanwhile, back at his majesty's royal rolling palace, a completely different scenario was being played out. "Sexual healing" for the "spiritually mature." Like the Land of Oz before the curtain was pulled back. Follow the yellow brick road. Follow it until TWI is a distant speck in the rear-view. And then keep going.

DWW We probably agree on the essence of more points than we disagree. Fer instance------ Like you, I believe a high percentage of what The Way tried to pass off as "Truth" was really a load of hog slop. One point we may disagree on, though, is that I don't think you need "the love of Jesus" to follow the golden rule. In fact, I don't even think you need to have any religious/spiritual beliefs at all to follow the Golden Rule. 'Cause if you can't love your neighbor as yourself and treat your fellow man with respect (homosexuals included), all the Bible talk in the world is nothing more than a clever Sunday School lesson. Many of the things The Way did in the name of God are so ludicrous, it sickens me. I, too, lost a good friend because of the toxins they promoted as truth. Some hot shot AC grad told him they thought he was born again of the wrong seed.------So he killed himself. Nice, huh? What they did to your friend is reprehensible. I'm grieved to hear it. Personally, I no longer believe "The Word" has to fit together with "math this" and "science that" or fit like "a foot in a sock" or any of that stuff. I also don't believe it's like some cryptic mystery we should pursue to the ends of the earth. The Bible is what it is. It's a compilation of writings of men. It's been mistranslated, misrepresented and misunderstood for hundreds of years. It's filled with errors that we most likely will never decipher. Still, that doesn't mean we can't make an effort to treat our fellow man the way we would like them to treat us.

DWx2 Were you ever involved in The Way? If so, did you take the Advanced Class? I only ask because your "word of wisdom" contradicts standard TWI doctrine. According to TWI doctrine, (not that I put much value on it anymore.) first you receive "word of knowledge" about something that's impossible to know by the five senses. Then you receive "word of wisdom", which is instruction regarding what to do with "word of Knowledge". Of course, both could be receive simultaneously. Also, according to TWI doctrine, word of knowledge and word of wisdom can not be at cross purposes with what has already been stated in God's word. In this case, the contradiction would be that God is asking for someone to be murdered, an obvious violation of the 10 commandments. In addition, it contradicts the stated nature of God. Scripturally speaking, God is light and love. There is no "darkness" in him. Murder is quite "dark" and unloving, wouldn't you agree? Even most non-Christian belief systems have doctrines that closely follow these precepts regarding the nature of a supreme being. All seem to have some version of the "Golden Rule" as well. It sounds more to me like your mind is struggling with some complicated unresolved issues. It really isn't the role of a forum such as this to counsel such matters. There are very few of us here who are professionally trained to deal with such things. I know I am definitely not.

Maybe the answers you're seeking are beyond the scope of an internet forum or scriptural analysis.

You got it! If I Fell-----------The Beatles (Here's a better sounding clip of it.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcailxABJRI