waysider

This is the first time I have heard of an incident like the one you cited. Is it possible to provide details that would be of public records nature? What were the consequenses? Did "The Way" become involved in any judicial matters? I'm not asking to satisfy a thirst for soap opera type gossip. I'm asking because it would appear this incident was swept under the carpet and that would be troubling to people who should have been informed and had a right to know. edited to correct a typing error.

When I was in 4TH grade I tried to levitate a table by thinking it into being. Uh huh. Yup. Shore did.(Try it, that is.) It's very humbling to find out you can be "out-believed" by a table. Your thinking something will come to pass will only manifest itself in the real world if that thinking compels you to take the necessary action. I can "think" about becoming a better guitar player 'til the cows come home but until I commit to some time spent "in the woodshed", my skills will not improve one iota. The problem with a lot of this stuff is that people fail to see the real essence of it ." As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he". It's talking about your outward character being an extention of your true heart, not the ability to float tables or play killah guitar licks or find an apartment that has red drapes or be oblivious to your parental instinct about the dangers of your child crossing a busy street. Well, that's my opinion. SHHH! Don't tell anyone.(It's a secret.)

HMMMM. The band played at your homecoming in 1968,so I'm thinking it's likely to be one of these: 1) Mitch Rider and the Detroit Wheels 2) Ted Nugent 3) Bob Seger 4)Grand Funk Railroad 5) Terry Knight and the Pack 6) The James Gang (On a road trip)

"Do You Want To Know a Secet?"--------The Beatles Good tune. I always get a chuckle out of the part where the singer(I think it was George) flubbs the line and says "I've known a secret for THE week or two." instead of"---------for A week or two." Believing = Receiving? Nah. I don't buy it. While it may be true that a positive outlook on life is beneficial to ones mental and physical health, you simply can not make things happen or prevent things from happening by thinking them into or out of existance. Whatsup----------I suspect if you examine your success as a DJ a little more closely, you may find that you excelled because you took the necessary course of action needed to bring about those results not because you willed it into fruition through a thought process. "Believe" it or not, that's my opinion. edited to correct some spelling.

Thanx, Chatster!

Laura In no way, shape, or form was I trying to poke fun at you. I was involved with The Way during the period when all the conspiracy theories were rampant. It all seems so comical now in retrospect that my immediate reaction was one of humour. Now, poking fun at The Way, well, that's another story. You asked an honest question and here is my honest answer. No, I don't think there is any connection between The Way and the Illuminati. That's just my opinion. I apologize if the sarcastic tone of my post offended you. Waysider

Man oh man! I just read that thread on "Oddities of the English Language". It conjured up memories of having to "sight read" in high school band to either challenge for the next chair or defend my current chair.(trumpet was my instrument except for marching when I became a baritone player.) I didn't do any better "sight reading" those sentences than I did with sheet music back in high school. I guess that's a bit off topic. Anyways, I was listening to the radio the other day and I heard a new(for me) version of the old Willie Dixon tune "Spoonful". I listened for the harp fill where the song goes"that SPOON,thatSPOON, that SPOON full". The word SPOON is typically played as a single bend to create a minor. But here is this guy playing a major over it and it took me off guard. I thought"Now who the heck is that guy and doesn't he know any better?" I did a little research and discovered it was none other than one of the greatest "benders" to ever live, George"Wild Child" Buttler. It's on a Kenny Wayne Shephard CD called "Ten Days Out, Blues From The Back Roads". This album is a treasure. It has guest performances by a ton of elder statesmen,many of whom are no longer with us. So the point is that George took what would ordinarily be concidered a mistake and intentionally created something that is unique and memorable. I guess sometimes what you don't play can have more effect than what you do play.

"Did I abandon God and his household?" Ummm---No. You abandonded a CULT. Do you really think God would forsake you because you severed ties with an organization that misappropriates his name for their own gain? If anything, I should think he would be pleased that you said "hasta la bye-bye" to the whole lot. The very fact that people feel this way is proof in itsef how pervasive the doctrines of TWI are. Sorry. I probably didn't convey my point very well. If anything, you should feel proud of yourself for leaving TWI, not guilty. There was a time when I felt that way too so I understand that uncertainty that comes with leaving. The Way was and still is, as far as I know , just another one of dozens, maybe hundreds, of cults that prey upon the good nature of well-meaning people. Oh yeah.--It bummed me out at first to find out I had invested so much into a venture that was bogus but then it felt very liberating to find out that I had no reason to feel remorse over leaving. edited to credit GSC for helping me seperate truth from bullshirt.

Hey there,QT. I had lots of snakes when I was a kid. They are very resiliant. I haven't had one for many,many years,though. On the other hand, I have had lots of tortoises. I got my first one in about '57 or '58 and have only had one stretch in my life when I didn't have one. That was the three years I spent as a Fellowlaborer. Pets were verboten. I keep them outside in a confined area. Right now I have only one who has been in my backyard for the past 10 or 12 years. He has had companions during that time but they all seem to have found some way to wander out of the confined area. Every fall he hibernates in an area that I have loosened and backfilled with leaves. He surfaces every year within one week of Easter. I always relished the obvious symbolism. I know they don't know when Easter falls on the calender but it so happens that Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. I suppose there is some sort of internal clock that senses that event. Anyway, I just looked at www. herpetology.com. and it looks like they might have the info you are seeking. I don't know how to do those link-up things but I hope that helps. Anyone who doesn't think reptiles make good pets has probably never had one. Hope all is well with your little buddy. Waysider.

Michael B. There is tons of discussion on that very subject here at GSC. You will need to look at some of the tutorials here that show how to navigate around GSC in order to find them. I am not at all skilled in getting from point"a" to point "b" much less show someone else. I personally have found it to be a great way to clear my head, relax and refocus. It gets a bit dicier when the discussion moves into the doctrinal realm.

You are correct,my friend. It was, indeed, Those Were The Days,My Friend.----Mary Hopkins The irony was that it was recorded in what was then a very new Apple Records studio and was produced By Sir Paul,himself. It then went on to dethrone the reigning kings of their day.(in a temporal sense,of course) Me thinkest thou art next. TEEHEE----I still like that part about losing our starry notions on/in The Way.

Rick-------I'm thinking you might have heard that Roy B. tune on Bluesville 74, is that correct? Have you ever listened to "The Wash Cycle"? There was a popular jazz DJ in (I think) the D.C. area named Washington. He used to pick a song and then play multiple versions of it. In his memory, Bill Wax,the on-air personality does a similar thing with blues songs and calls it "The Wash Cycle" as an homage. It airs at about 4 or 5PM on Tuesdays. This week the tune was "Everything's Gonna Be Alright". It's very interesting to hear how differently it was done by Little Walter, James Cotton, Paul Butterfield,Van Morrison,etc. I think he did about 2 dozen versions of that one. I like to listen to the harp work in them and observe how differently each artist interpreted it. For me, it illustrates how futile it is to try to copy solos note for note unless in doing so you are trying to gain a deeper insight into how that artist utilized a specific technique. I have heard guys cover famous solos note for note with great precision yet not realizing that parts of it were actually mistakes. That's especially true on some of the old time "open mic." recordings done before the days of multi-track. I'm wondering what will happen to the blues programming if,indeed, the mrger goes through with XM and Sirius. edited to clarify that the "mistakes" were the result of listening to the "open-mic" recordings and not realizing that rather than record the entire tune over again(Since mixing and editing was not an opton) mistakes were sometimes left to stand if the overall result was acceptable.

Dear John HE HE! I always secretly wanted an opportunity to start a letter that way. Anyway, I never said that I thought VPW said those things to intentionally hurt peaple. Fact is, though, many people WERE hurt by this misrepresentation of what fear really is. I do believe, howver, that he had his own personal gain at heart when he made these pronouncements. That's just my opinion and I respect the fact that yours may not be the same as mine.

If there really is an Illuminati, The Way wouldn't qualify as a pimple on their arse. Laura--------I think" The Id "may have been speaking metaphorically. (Or was he?) Hmmmmmm.

TS----Glad you picked up on that "starry notions" line. Here's another clue: Name an international airport located in Cleveland.

You are not alone on this one. It's what I like to call "trophy mentality". I don't know where I got the term but I think it describes the situation in a very concise manner. In the first twig I was in, we had someone who was missing an arm." Hey! kids! let's all believe for total restoration. Wouldn't that be a great trophy to show how we believed a miracle into being!" Ummm, no. It's just cruel to give this person false hope; not false in the sense that God can't heal, but false in the sense that we could somehow "believe" it into fruition. If God wants to give a person deliverance, that's his business and our believing can't alter the result either way. Then there was the friend of mine who took his own life. I was the one who found him. "If I had been 'listening to God', I could have raised him from the dead". Wouldn't that be a great big feather in The Ways' cap? TROPHY MENTALITY! Then there was another friend who suffered a chronic and very severe disability. He went to ROA looking for deliverance but instead passed away in the motel room. Shame on us. "Where was our believing?" We made The Way look bad by our inability to "believe" for deliverance. Hey, I could go on and on but I don't want to hog the screen. Oh, and let's not forget that if you aspired to becoming a "leader", the physical image you presented to the world should be one that represented perfection so if you "didn't clean up too good", as my Grandpa used to say, your opportunities were somewhat limited.

Well, the person I asked is also a sometimes GSC poster and they knew the song instantly so I feel like it's not really my turn but what the heck.(on behalf of dundat) Then, the busy years went rushing by us. We lost our starry notions on the way. If, by chance, I'd see you at the tavern, We'd smile at one another and we'd say----------------- Hint: It knocked "Hey Jude" off the number one spot on the charts in a bit of twisted irony.

Johniam------- No offence intended but just because something was on a Sunday Night Service tape neither validates nor invalidates the information presented. In fact, to initiate the validation process one must first "consider". Since consideration was viewed as a part of the failure process,there wasn't much room for anything other than blind acceptance. Further, studies such as the one you referenced should never be isolated in such a way as to produce a biased or slanted perception of the results or their impact on the issue being examined. John,don't be afraid to consider and initiate the validation process of what we were taught in The Way. God will not punish you for simply trying to reach a more accurate understanding of the many things we were taught that may or not be accurate. Edited to add: Hey, Roy, we could use one of your "holy hugs" right about now,Bro.

JohnIam------ May I inject that the word"fear" is a generalised term that applies to a number of specific conditions? Take natural fear ,for example. People have "natural" fears of such things as loud noises and the sensation of falling. They are part of the survival mechanism that comes as standard equipment. Learned fear is fear that results from experience. For example, a small child curiously touches a hot surface and "learns" it is to be avoided. Again, our basic equipment includes this instinct. It does not always require a conscious thought process. The type of fear referred to in PFAL is neither of these. It is a variety of fear that requires mental consideration and may or may not include the two types already cited. The basic premise presented was that having doubt would foster worry and that worry, in turn, would produce fear. The premise carried this one step further in stating that these types of fears will ultimately manifest themselves in the very real world in which we live. The Way taught(maybe still does) that you as an individual controled your own destiny by manipulating this "principle" either to your advantage or against. It has been documented in medical studies(I am not citing any because they are relatively easy to find by someone who has a genuine desire to do so.) that a persons' mental attitude and outlook on life can have physical effects on ones' health. It's certainly no secret that stress plays a powerful role in physical health. To say someone contributed to their own heart attack by failing to heed the dangers of limiting stress may be a legitamate observation to some situations. To say a child was killed because a mother feared it could happen is rubbish. You can't will things into or out of existance by simply thinking about them no matter how intense or irrational the thoughts may be. You can, however, prevent yourself from seeing the obvious by simply not initiating the process of consideration.(sometimes called "hiding your head in the sand") The axiom of doubt>worry>fear is like a carrot on a stick.Don't "consider" because that leads to "doubt",etc.,etc. The carrot is always out of reach but yet the prize appears to be attainable.

I tell ya, it's enough to make a guy scratch his own eyes out. I'd say it's a real tragedy but,in fact, it's all Greek to me. Oedipus Rex------by Sophocles(A classic tale of a man who kills his father and sleeps with his mother,from which the term "Oedipus Complex" stems.)

OK------The tune is "The Thunder Rolls" by Garth Brooks. BUUT! The reason I knew is because I ran the lyrics past someone at work and they said"WHAT! You didn't know that one ?!!" Therefore, I must disqualify myself from posting a new one.

Oh,yeah. Been there, done that. Many years ago, a friend of mine became ill with a life threatening condition. He came under heavy criticism from TWI leadership at the HQ level regarding his "believing". How could he have allowed it to happen? How could he not believe to get healed? How dare he seek help from medical doctors? Long story short, he died. Then he was blamed for his own death. Now to be honest, it may well be that his condition was beyond medical correction, but to suggest that it was all his fault is just cruel and ridiculous. My hope in posting this is that perhaps an "innie" will stumble on it and stop to consider what I've said. Oh, wait, I forgot that "considering" is the first step in a downward plummet.

Howdy, Michael B. I have to agree with you on that "too cheap" sentiment. I have always felt that if you are trying to learn to play trumpet or sax or trombone or some obscure instrument like guitar, a low quality piece of equipment can be fodder for discouragement. I do alot of mechanical work , so I feel the same way about hand tools. I always try to buy the best quality tools that will fit my budget. That is not the same as saying "buy the best quality tools". BTW----My wrench turning ability far surpasses my guitar skills. I'm not sure if that merits one of these :( or one of these :) . Now, when it comes to BONGOS, that a whole other issue, eh, Tom?

Lady yellow stamper with a fillet in the hamper Dying to finish the course Goodies for the table with a fable on the label Drowning in Miracle-Sauce Don't think I am rude if I tell you it's cat food Not even fit for a horse No use to complain if you're caught out in the rain Your mother's quite insane Cat food, cat food, cat food, again! "Cat Food"--------King Crimson

What would you give for it now?! But wait! There's more! Call now, operators are standing by! I remember a routine that Firesign Theatre did involving a game show where the winner opened the bag he had just won and announced"Hey! This is just a bag of sh!t!" to which the announcer replied"Yes, but it's a really GOOD bag of sh!t!" So, you see, The Waste was really just a cult. ("Yes, but it was a really GOOD cult!") Heck, maybe we were even the BEST cult that ever -----ummm------cult- ivated.---------or not. :unsure: