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thanks ron g.!.............great pics!............great thread!...................peace.

hi again greasespotters! "What a ghastly name for a thread! jk I'm perfectly fine with this getting moved out to its own thread. I honestly didn't mean to plow into other thread that way, but the point so many folks there were trying to make was about the impact of personal stories and how awful it can be to have that just dismissed as trying to advance some agenda or something... I started writing one thing and it sort of evolved into my sharing this, and... anyway, I really appreciate the support that everybody's shown. I was scared to share it, because I think I've only really ever told two other people about this, and... I found myself shaking afterwards. And I was amazed to see, when folks started saying that they'd seen this too, wow... I got chills. It's vindicating to speak and to be heard. Something empowering about it. Maybe that's what makes empathy so incredible: it's an act that is, by it's nature, a loving one, by no means empty-headed or blind of course, but trying for a moment to reach across and stand in another person's skin, to think and feel like they do for a moment, just long enough... I'm quite overwhelmed. Thank you." thanks once again, cake, for what you posted above!!........it absolutely confirms what i believe to be pawtucket's true heart regarding the "mission" of this website!!.......and you, and every other VICTIM of twi's tragic history of human carnage produced by its foul, dysfunctional, and profoundly misguided "teachings", absolutely deserve every ounce of validation and relief that the sharing of your personal experiences and their corroboration by the similar experiences of other twi refugees produces!! "I was scared to share it, because I think I've only really ever told two other people about this, and... I found myself shaking afterwards." i, for one, felt those words as i read them cake!!..........the profound pathos pours out of each word in those two short sentences!!...........i got "chills" with you!.........i am hoping that your courage in sharing your suffering will yield complete closure for you in the very near future, regarding this aspect of blatant child abuse you endured at the hands of twi's "greatest teaching of god's word" since the first century!..........be assured that your courage in posting those facts has brought validation and closure to many who read your posts!...........and will bring the same to your heart and soul!....................from our hearts to yours.......................peace!

hi greasespotters!.................hiya cake! thanks for sharing that horror of physical abuse you withstood at the hands of some pompous, self-inflated mog, who used accepted twi doctrine and practice to cover his obvious psychoemotional disease process...............the fact that your biological parents accepted that doctrine and practice of physical child abuse, and allowed that criminal to "have his way" on your little back, provides further evidence as to why the "mission" of the greasespot remains valid and necessary today..........and, imho, this necessity will continue as long as twi and its various "offshoots" continue to promote the dysfunctional, destructive "teachings" of der victoid through their "ministries" around this country and other countries in which they've managed to gain any footholds!................allow me to explain why i think this way....... the doctrines and practices of twi-sanctioned child abuse were formulated first at the rome city, indiana "campus".........the twi trustees, particularly coward allen and ding-don wierwille, decided to "allow" dottie moynihan, to get her degree, an ms in counselling, in order to gain access to the legitimate psychiatric counselling which began to make tiny inroads into the bizzarro world of twi "christian counselling" via the following occurrences.............first, stanley reahard (graduate of the 3rd way corps) began developing a twi version of christian counselling in the late 70's, after she read jay adams' book, "competent to counsel", and developed a short "seminar" on "christian counselling" which she began to get "teaching time" for, in order to share her "insights" into what was becoming an obviously increasing "sore spot" and need among the rapidly expanding way corps/family corps household, for a more "professional", and legitimate form of psychoemotional counselling for those suffering from psychological and emotional "problems"........ mark carli, a 6th corps graduate, was working on his Ph.D in counselling psychology during this same time frame, and, in 1979, dr.seym**r l*v*n entered the 6th family corps along with his wife.......dr. l*v*n had been a longstanding, well-respected practitioner of psychiatry for many years in ny, and his presence in the corps was quite noticeable, and "valued", especially by DEW............though der victoid never really "trusted him, because, in vic's words, dr. L. was just another "phoney, jew, shrink" who was somehow a "threat" to the "ministry", though valuable for hype and promotion of how great the corps "training" was, as exemplified by the caliber of "volunteers" it attracted to the in-rez programs........boob and doody moynihan were the corps coordinators at rome city at the time, having taken over for the duncan's in 1978,,,,,,,,,'cuz del had been "caught" growing cannabis at the indiana campus, and "distributing" it among the "in-crowd" of 6th corps, interim corps, and staff at the campus, and even in the surrounding communities near rome city!!.........del's "extra-curricular" activities necessitated his "re-assignment".........and the placement of twi's ultimate "yes man" as coordinator of the family corps was an easy decision for vic! so, in 1979, the presence of stanley reahard, boob and doody moynihan, and dr.L. dr. chris boul**ge (another family corps participant) at the indiana "campus" , along with the burgeoning need for legitimate "christian counselling" which DEW supported at the BOT level, converged and began to become "institutionalized" in twi........this is when doody moynihan, with the help of some others began the whole "wooden spoon" thing in the early stages of indoctrinating the "new" doctrines and practices of "word-centered" child rearing, parenting, and "christian counselling" into the "hungry minds" of the in-rez corps..........which doctrines and practices quickly became ingrained into the way corps, and filtered quickly "up the way tree" to do the incredible damage, of which cake's sharing is but one example!........though dr. L., and many others protested many of the dysfunctional behaviors which were rapidly spreading throughout twi, they were "officially sanctioned" by vic, DEW, and the moynihans, and the healthy, necessary dissent was squashed!..........the insanity prevailed, and the dysfunctional, abusive doctrines and practices flourished to the point where situations like cake's became the norm!! people like wayne and fern clapp continued the institutionalization of the physical abuse of twi children via the further "develpoment" and "teaching" of "word-centered parenting and child rearing"......throughout the 1990's, when they "ran" the family corps at rome city............they now run CFF, a "popular" twi offshoot, along with kevin and sarah wierwille guigou, john nessle, and various other ex-twi "clergy"...............while boob and doody continue to this day to be the faithful twi "yes men" they've been for forty years now!!!......under the faithful, and ever-watchful eye, and leadership of rosie rivenbite, current prez of twi!!............what do these "christian leaders" have to say for themselves and their abusive, dysfunctional, even criminal teachings and practices today???..............they won't tell ya!..........but the greasespot will!........hence, my opinion, as stated previously, as to the continued neccesity, relevance, and importance of this website!.......we must continue to tell "the other side" of the story......the side these unapologetic, abusers and liars refuse to tell!!.........you won't find any of these FACTS on their smarmy websites!!........won't find any apologies from them either.....except some half-hearted apologies for vic!! so.......thanks cake, for having the guts to tell us what happened to you as a kid in twi, at the hands of yet another mog-wannabe, and even your own twi-washed parents!...............and thanks to all of you greasespotters who have told the honest truth about what you personally experienced, while learning "the word, like it has'nt been known since the first century"!..........thankfully, the greasespot cafe continues to provide you all a forum to TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT TWI, by telling your side of the story!.........it won't be stifled or ignored here!..........the liars of twi and its offshoots can't railroad you here!............they don't have the guts!............and, more importantly, they don't have the facts nor the truth on their side!!!................we do!!!....................................peace.

hi abi! "stuck in adolescence forever"............an apt description of all those still "nesting" under vic's wings and the folly of his "ministry"!............................peace.

hiya greasespotters! ROTFLMAO!!!!!.................indeed, this garbage letter seems to have been "taken down" from the cesonline website where it was just recently posted!.........is it possible that jalvis not only embarrassed himself by writing and posting that letter, but totally embarrassed the folks who are the "official" "servant-leaders" of the "church" that sponsors that website???...............is it possible that there's enough of a conscience left barely pulsing through the grey matter of those "servant-leaders" that such a rational, yet bold, move could be taken by them??.........or maybe, it was just the decision of the folks who run their websites...........made in the emotional blur of the utter shame they might have felt at having to read what their former "chief spokesman" had to say, on their own website?? whatever the reason, at least the greasespot cafe can't be blamed for "censoring" what "the real" jalvis felt compelled to stand up for!!............people of STFI..........are you beginning to catch a glimpse at what the "true heart" of your "church" is all about??...............i hope so, for your sakes and your sanity!..................peace.

OOFTAH!.......HAPPY BIRTHDAY YORGY!........YOU BETCHA!.................SINEREST BEST WISHES FOR A HAPPY, HEALTHY, AND JOYFUL DAY!...........AND MANY MORE TO COME!.......................PEACE.

whatever you say rhino!..................glad you're enjoying your beer!.........................peace.

"DWBH ... no rebuttal ... just saying I have poor eyesight? What did I miss? I still think I am spot on ... you listed posters as TWI apologists or was it just "apologists"? Your list was wrong, even WW agreed it was wrong. Why label anyone like that? And your definition was dead wrong ... to any objective person. Instead of just saying I have bad eyesight ... why not offer an explanation of your labels? Belittling is easier I suppose. (and yes, something doesn't smell right) " rhino................your posts addressed to me on this thread have primarily been, imo, mean-spirited, hyperbolized, ad hominem attacks, based upon disinformation and misrepresentations of what i posted on a completely different thread!........i get absolutely no sense from your vitriol, that you want to discuss anything with civility!.......you want me to dignify your logical fallacy, (i.e., the aforementioned ad hominem "argument") with a "rebuttal"??..........i decline your "invitation" to engage in a foolish "....ing contest" over what you, by your own admission, "don't quite get"!...............besides, as you admit, you "still think" you're "spot on", so why would i want to convince you otherwise?? go back and read what was written and try again to see if you can "get it" this time!..........my "list" was'nt "right" or "wrong".......it was just a list, which i posted "for review" by those interested in doing so!........the definition of "apologist" was not "mine"!........i cited the sources.......they're still there!..........read them again..........you don't like them?......aim your horns at merriam-webster and wikipedia!............whatever prompted your "need" to "think (you) fairly well trounced" my "notion" about anything indicates you're holding some grudge against me personally, for posting publically available information from what are generally accepted, reputable sources!.......you like your sources better, because they agree with your personal opinions?.........bully for you! the post to which you refer speaks for itself........there is no reason i need to "offer any explanations" for "labels" i never placed on anyone!........nor did i "belittle" any one.........those are YOUR presumptions, not mine!...............AFAIK, you live and work on a farm, right?.........maybe that "something" that "doesn't smell right" is right under your own nose??.........or maybe above it???...........either way, maybe another beer will help you moderate your mood swings?...........................peace.

charge on rhino!..........you dual-horned pachyderms are noted for your "poor eyesight", but acute "sense of smell"...........both of which seem to be unfolding for many to view.........like watching a national geographic special on your species.......... "Is this the new MOG for GSC? On another thread he listed for us the Wierwille apologists by name ... so are we to mark and avoid them, since the new MOG has listed them for GSC?"...............somehow your use of twi terminology to cast aspersions in my direction is almost comical?.........how have i offended you?........or my posts?.........pray tell? "And in case anyone was upset by the apologist term, we have cover from the dwbh archaic revised standard version of "apologist". The real meaning is "pejorative", but to dwbh it is a positive ... at least if you are "any objective reader", as dwbh put it. Go ahead and disagree, but that marks you as not objective. I think I fairly well trounced his notion that "Wierwille apologist" is a positive or neutral term, but the tone of listing the dwbh approved posts, or listing those sanctioned as wierwille apologists ... seems strange ...almost cult like."..................trounce on, rhino!!.........glad you're feeling good about yourself!...............anything i can do to help our family farmers............i've always been a fan of willie's farm aid concerts! "And is it really his "humble opinion" when he says that those that disagree are "beating a dead horse", or those on his mark and avoid list are wierwille apologists? Or those that disagree with his old and wrong "apologist" definition are "not objective". ".................yes rhino........it really is! "I'm just trying to make friends here ... "....................well rhino..............that's a great start!..............charge on!........................peace.

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY........'SKUSE ME...........HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRIDE!!!........I WISH I HAD THE CAPABILITY TO TYPE THAT IN KOINE GREEK FOR YA, 'CUZ I RESPECT YOUR PROVEN ABILITIES IN "TEXTUAL CRTICISM", AS DEMONSTRATED BY MANY FINE POSTS YOU'VE SUBMITTED HERE THROUGH THE YEARS!..........THANKS FOR ALL OF THEM!............AND THE ONE'S I DON'T "LIKE" TOO!............SINCEREST WISHES FOR MANY MORE BIRTHDAYS ENJOYED IN HEALTH, JOY, AND HOLY SPIRIT!............YOU DO YOUR "HUSBAND" PROUD!.................................PEACE.

hiya greasespotters! i don't think pawtucket would, or should do anything different than what he's been doing here since he opened this fine establishment!..........it's my favorite cyber-cafe!.........and, just like any menu, paw's menu here offers things i enjoy, and i try to avoid things i don't like the "taste" of.........point being, it's my choice!.........the same choice is available to all of us who are "regular customers" here!............and, i for one, would'nt want my choices limited to only what i like, or approve of..........and i'm sure many other greasespotters feel the same............ just because the menu choices of some are "not my cup o' tea" does'nt mean they should be denied items better suited to their personal tastes and opinions!..........i strongly defend their "right" to post here, and i would be most disappointed if they were "booted!..........(excie..........they shoot boots don't they??..........LOL!)....... they're subject to the same rules and regs we all are, as well as the even-handed interpretation and "enforcement" of those rules by the owner of this place and the several volunteer moderators..........who have, through the years, imho, demonstrated extreme patience, objectivity, and fairness in the way this site has run!.......in the words of that old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"! i have "no beef" with the decisions paw and the moderators are forced to make at times..........i'm glad they're willing to make them, and their ability to "do the right thing" has been overwhelmingly demonstrated repeatedly, which is why i think the greasespot is a great place to hang out at!.........diversity is never a threat to the open-minded, nor should it be discouraged...........it can always lead to personal as well as community growth..........so it should be embraced, not feared or denied! so, i say, "keep on keepin' on" pawtucket!!!.........i don't think there is, nor ever will be another cafe like this one!.........i'd hate to see it change, or "sold" to new management!......i'd consider that a great loss to cyberspace............keep this place OPEN to the public paw!...........you serve up great food for thought here, and the menus are as current and as necessary as they've been since opening day!..............................................peace.

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hello greasespotters! imho, the questions posted on this thread, and in the various responses from this thread's "originator", as well as several others who have posted on this thread, have been more-than-adequately answered by the following posters............... pawtucket, in posts #25, 27, 29, 42, and 68 modcow, in posts #35 & 67 wordwolf, in posts #37, & 58 jim, in post #39 socks, in posts #44, & 62 oakspear, in post #57 i believe, however, that it is the "right" of all greasespotters who choose to do so, to continue "beating this dead horse", and i strongly support their "right" to do so!....................carry on, if you must!.......................................peace.

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hard to find one song that captures all of of this guy's talent, but he's one of my absolute favorites when it comes to authentic delta blues!!!...........enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu136rUAC6E...feature=related#

thinking about austin city limits reminded me of this.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOIDTwt7FNM#

hey dooj!.........i first heard gavin's twin brother, jason, on austin city limits about 5 years ago, and what struck me then, and since in all of his songs, are the great lyrics and the high energy of his youth!!!...........here's the song that i first heard on that austin city limits show.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EED3xkxCWNA#