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maybe he was not "kicked out of the corps" ya know? I mean who would do that? He lost his position not his corps title . even if he did they said if a spouse left many stayed in without them Oak wife stayed many left their marriages to stay in . just because a marriage split did not mean you had to go to, I know of people who stayed in and married the very people they had affairs with while being married. maybe they are believing for it to work out. they are still married he is still corps and so is she . He lost his job but people get other jobs OM , she may have the house because of her position.

why om ? they are married. they did not split up. he lost his job she didnt lose hers. the house was built for corps and that is who is living there , the president of the corporation may have given it to her as a perk for her position. we do not know but to say she should be asked to leave because many had to leave the corps because they divorced well they are NOT divorced. so why?

Maybe they didnt split. also who is to say she is a homosexual? You think that because she is friends with another female? this is all imaginary no one knows what their marriage is or isnt to asume they split because he had a different job does not make it the truth. if they were divorced it would be in the courts and pat would have brought it to us by now. they are still married and living on their own terms .

yeah I know shelly I had that hppen to me this year to how great you told your story. I will tell mine . somone I know and care about went to jail recently for a very stupid reason, he didnt pay a fine and they put a bench warrant out on him . so I somhow through the grape vine heard he was in jail for two weeks waiting to go to court for a thirty dollar fine. his bail was over a thousand dollars. I went up to see him I used his one and only vist he said he was fine. As I left I paid his bail . I do not have a grand to give to a guy who refused to pay a thirty dollar fine OK? who wouldnt go to court and now is sitting in jail because of it, if he didnt go to court I would have lost my 1200 dollars. He never asked me to pay his bail I just did because I dint think he should have been in jail . he did say thank you a few days later and I said I do hope you go to court so i can get my money back and he said he would. WELL the responses I got fromeveryone was so outrageous. he wont go, you just lost a thousand etc. I said look I wanted to do it so I did and I felt good about it. I said if something happens to me like that I hope someone will help me out. I meant it. he went to court I got my money back by the way and he paid the fee for the bail.

the truth I hve known in my life did not come from twi or CEs or John Lynn or any man woman or idiot. the truth I have known came to my life by the utter grace of God almighty and His only begotten Son who redeemed my life with a Spirit that Has and always will stand as the only way or truth for every creature. It is Jesus christ who reigns as King of King and gives us all truth, not this silly little boy ....ing show of who knows more big words and twisted verses to fit your own ego trips of saving the world from evil .

snow. well I rememer feeling that way when I was marked and avoided I really did. so cry but then remember the body of Christ is thousands of years old now and many memebers are involved in this family idea . I meet spirit filled lifes every day of my life. I look for them and I love them all. and look forward to more tommorrow! it is an exciting and full of new people to love and be loved by. We get attached to the things of this earth and frankly the bible says look to jesus christ as our reward in this life and believe me He knows LOTS of people be willing to open your eyes to His direction in life and say Hi! to those He sends in your life. it is the best and only way to live! let the past be the past I mean connect if you can of course but if the door is shut and other opens just as quick run with him it is a race and the street is full of Lots of us getting there together!!!!

sky I wrote something for you. and just for the record that cesspool comment hurt my feelings Galen. good job.

I have been a christian for over forty year working out my salvation with the Lord Jesus christ. ok sky I read your post and I hear you saying you think vpw locked into just the bible as the answers concerning spiritual answers in life. I do not agree in fact it was in TWI I was able to understand the difference between what church taught and a spirit filled life. we walk with a Lord who is alive who speaks to us on a minute by minute base in life.. I do not agree that is what I learned in pfal or in twi sky that is why I can not comment. he wrote that in the pfal class but for the most part if you continue on in the teaching a spirit filled walk with many of the ideas you have were also included. I think it is a personal spirt that works with what each individual can learn and how for example I have read the bible and understood it to mean something in my life on a very comforting and personal level but another reading the same chapter and verse may not get that because it was not feeding their soul at that time. It is food. I think vpw opened up this key to me very well that the bible is a base line of understanding spirtual matter in life and we each can go as far as we desire with it witha Lord that teaches and loves each one where they are at. Truth and spirit formly CES believes heavy in personal prophecy I do not think God tells the crowd what He needs me to know in my life either. they have practice session where people speak and practice telling one another what God told them for another . no I do not go for that either. FYI I do not do bible wars your going to have to look at Raf or John lynn for those games in the brain with people. I can be comfortable with what CEs generated because it is in my comfort zone I do not have the say of what is right or wrong when it comes to doctrine and frankly I think it is dangerous territory. Also consider not everyone had the scripture available to them , few could read during the dark ages for example, and the masses had to rely on the church to tell them what was considered holy or a king. Sky I think if you take some time to study our history as Gods chosen you will find a rich history of a fight to find doctrine and be thankful we live in the day we do , God provides for His people always. Luthern was a guy who thought he read something very different from what the church was stating as rule his life story is an interesting idea of one man willing to go the mile for what he felt was direct revelation from God regardless of what the bible was saying at the time to the people. history will help you confirm your position better than I can Sky.

"overwhelming negatives that swim in this cesspool" Galen ! I hear you comparing "the word" that john is speaking in his letter to you is better than the overwhelming negatives in this cesspool. I think you should join truth and spirt or something if you write in a cesspool you might as well cant hurt anyone can it? I mean the "word" is better esp when it makes that attitude of I know Im better than everyone here but here I AM somhow never getting any stink on me of course cause I know that word doing you a favor you all need . sniff sniff well that isnt the new fresh breeze tide smells kind of stale to me .

The reason I think something must be wrong is because I have actualy cared deeply what these "goofs" say. and been hurt for like my entire life. I surprisly do not blame them but Im angry at the idea we as people who claim to believe in God can actualy be guilty of this in His sons name. it just doesnt seem right or the way jesus inteneded ofr us to live together at all . In a sense those who organize the mess get the most of my angry feeling because I have seen it happen more than the love and forgivnes Jesus asks us to live with . Dmiller if you have been healed of something and feel thankful give God the glory and know it was by the very stripes of Jesus christ not CES that made it happen for ya! please.

sky this is how he makes a living. unless it is all for the deep and abiding love he feels for us who he does not know and will pick and chose to answer only those who will identify themself.

John do you read this site often? do you believe the "life after twi" is best met by the truth and spirit group? Is it available to not have fellowship with those who still have the "baby" and still hold truth and be able to take the word over the world? What the heck does that mean take the word over the world exactly? Is not everyone a living epistle? Is just those that belong to your group that are trained and love you of course that are able to meet this goal ?

also sky4it your right it might be fun . I agree . but habits are hard to break! right? all kinds of them including taking about cults I appreciate your concern. thank you .

i DO NOT THINK IT BOTHERS THEM THEY TEND TO DISMISS AND oopps sorry and ignore anyone or idea that doesnt fit with their idea of what is workable for them with a vengence. who doesnt? this whole thing is passive aggresive really.

sky4it I do not think so. it is an intenet forum . at an ex-way site a simple discussion . Im not punishing Im stating hwo I feel in the discussion . oh yes they love to be considered victims in an attack on them and that is the twist many will play in their mind. they try to make it personal and a attack on them it takes the focus off the real questions people may have after hearing somone cause "division" in the body of christ!!! oo yeah that is bad and a heavy isnt it?

yeah Steve and it is an ego trip that denies the Lord of our life Jesus Christ. the more people get into the works of groups like CES the less they can recognize the freedom they have by the price of His blood. the more they think they should do hence the cult empire....and the attitude of who did enough and who didnt. bottom line Jesus did it ALL for us and is still knocking on the door asking to be a part of your life he asks for zero worship of any other God other than Our Father. no works can pay the price of his life for I said FOR our freedom as Gods children. people like to impress people with how much they can prove they know God the bible says no one can know God or His way the only way is to recognize Jesus as Christ for mankind. groups and their sales and their ego trips shut him out and make it about what they and you can do for one another .

twi condemed their own followers OM for not being good enough for them hahaha

now therefore no condemation to those in christ Jesus . yeah I know the verses OM I just do not get an ego trip off them anymore . what is more important freedom of speech or freedom of religon? you can believe in any group you like and I can say anything I like about how I feel about them .

"a godly thing for they themselves to do" yes as long as you think your doing it for God it is all good. that can go a LOOOOONG Way in life with n false justicfication and self righteous and arrogance no matter what, I mean it isnt about you or anything it is the higher plane of thinking so it has to be good. have mercy .

It is true in companies that want to move and grow as well. Retail constantly changes the managers that work directly with the employees for the same reasons.. it is clear why. power over others is a mess thing and very sneaky in its manipulations. Money is a root so is many other considerations such as lust or even laziness or compliance with status norm to fit in. Jesus trusted no man for a reason, he knew what is in all of us.

agreed Om BUT listen many give alot more than money OM read this site a few more times and try to understand that ok? the motive isnt about making living it is much deeper and wider and hurtful. again of course not YOU Om , you have a keen sense of denial and/or not getting involved enough to understand the idea . it doesnt matter because your good you support the right people God must be ok with you for it.

Om CES WANT folks who never been way heehaa they are so much less of a hassle what with questions and some knowledge and all. just love man . they have tapped the ex-twi market most have stuck or left by now. but it is a pesky thing to have a monkey on your back like twi so it isnt as smooth as twi recruitment once was. bummer . you just do not get it do you? no problem if your happy and you know it clap your hands( and give me some money even a little bit counts to us of course we are not like the BIG ministry )( yet)( getting there with ya bro!) but we will and can be if it serves you well ya know and our life style of a leader as Hope says very well. it is what the people want and they are here to give it to ya!! bless their program and desires.

Satori Hi ya! I will be nice I promise . Dmiller a springboard out of what exactly? twi I assume. yes they ran the gravy train of rescue out of the cult when they got fired. (read shazs Post) like a vacum for the fallen leafs on the lawn they had the machine and the bag to collect. I suppose if it has to be an "approved" teacher CES will fall in line ok. they are part of the borg we are safe. It means never having to look at what you think about God for yourself on a very personal level and again eating the pile on the plate set for you by a leader you trust . In detail please explain why exactly ? oh the bible verses that is it or because he say he is the one that really loves you . very safe very confortable and many are in the group agreeing along and that is a cult brain dream in and of itself. a "we" program cant be wrong. can it? must not allow doubt or independence to creep in I know THAT has to be wrong as death itself or is that death TO SELF? Honestly I think people are still afraid of not belonging to a cult and if they had to leave twi, at least CES will cover their *** just in case . haha seriously .

I get it I do i know my sister had great friendsin the bars and they cared abut her as long as she was dinking but now she is sober she doesnt miss them or they her . but that is true of any group really I had "cat" friends for a awhile till I no longer could spend the time doing the activities we did, I mean people change all the time and I have learned to go with the flow in life. If I feel lonely I go find something or someone to hang out with and it is often by myself sometimesnot but I like being single I am truly a single person in my heart and life style so it is easy for me. Alcohol is never on the list of new experiences or people to meet. that is like tv they act like the way to meet people is with booze nah it isnt not really. I go to cat shows book stores huge flea market garden shops swimming hiking and I meet others. I think others like me always. maybe because I like me . I wish I had more money to travel and meet other people! People do not judge others for the most part except in a cult , honestly some of the most insecure people I ever met was in twi and the off shoot they cling together because they are afraid of who they really are it seems. a sinner and all that heheh well me to but god loved me enough to send his only Son so it was never a bad thing but a good thing people need to like thmeselves to like others and it would be difficult if you cant rmemeber what ya did or said by being under the influence. ya just forget? that is scary . thanks .

Galen that was so great , I understand you medicate feelings that are out of control . I had a situation that had life long serious anger issues connected to it, if I let it . I knew I really knew I could not start drinking on top of it all . I knew if I did I would feel better and maybe not have to think about it for a minute . so maybe I did shove it back and not deal with it in a different way but twenty years later still dealing with the after math in a more intense different way now . I am angry now I think I should drink but I do not. My sister was a drunk always kept a job but a drunk every single night dealing with her young husband sudden death from cancer and small children she couldt cope.. now she is on a anti anxiety medicine and for the first time is sober . she still claims she never had a drinking problem. and she suffered and got hurt and two of her boyfriends died of alcohol complications at very young age she drank them to death. the grace of God. I had to watch her be so unhapyy and it was all about being angry and I do understand what your saying / I just do not see how it helps. I have a friend who drank every week to meet people and deal with a rough patch in her marriage after about a year she did stop the abuse of alcohol but she also drank to forget some of her feelings. I do not like my feelings sometimes esp. if I start to worry I can feel overwhelmed and frightened but then i just say to myself 90 % of your fears will never come true STOP just do not think about it ignore it and i make the thought go away. I think I could be an alcoholic if I drank and was not so aware of those i love who did and realize it didnt help them. mostly I do not have the money and I do not want to be an old woman drinking with her cat even if it is just me knowing about it . so I just do not do it, but I will eat a half of a fine carrot cake fi I am not caring about my self sometimes. thank you for your post