WordWolf

"I never heard of him." "Who?" "The man you recommended." "Why? Why would I want that? Why would I want bubblegum?" "See anything you like?" "No." "See you later." "F* you."

"I never heard of him." "Who?" "The man you recommended." "Why? Why would I want that? Why would I want bubblegum?"

For the curious, "the Savage Curtain" was where the Excalbians (those rock people) made copies of Abraham Lincoln, and a historical Vulcan, and pitted them, Kirk and Spock against 4 simulations of villains from the minds of Kirk and Spock. One of the villains was the Klingon, Kahless the Unforgettable. For those wondering why THIS Kahless didn't resemble the appearance of the REAL Kahless (as seen in "Rightful Heir"), the answer is simple: the Excalbians based theirs on how Kirk imagined Kahless- remember, Lincoln spoke exactly as Kirk pictured him because he was based on Kirk's mental image of him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkb-0uQ1c8o

That's it.

"It would seem "It would seem that evil retreats when forcibly confronted." "Surface conditions make it impossible for us to beam down and investigate further, we are therefore going on to our next assignment." "We came in peace." "And you may go in peace."

"I never heard of him." "Who?" "The man you recommended."

It's not Connery, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan or Lazenby. So I'm going with Daniel Craig. I've got a 50/50 chance on this one. So, I'll go with the remake of "CASINO ROYALE."

AHA! I do believe you've caught them!

In the EDITED FOR TELEVISION version, that's true. I'm pretty sure the uncut version had them saying something else while pretending to cough.

Reminds me of a scene in "Animal House", but I'm reasonably sure those lines didn't appear in that scene. (The scene with the hearing.)

Congratulations! *cues the Mariachi band*

What proof do you have that vpw called him ANYTHING in POP? Other than geer saying "vpw told me this", what evidence do you have that vpw said ANY of it? We have proof vpw was upset, and that he went to cg, but no proof of any specifics about his son. (We heard from someone else who interacted personally with vpw during that timeframe but was not in the conversations between vpw and cg.)

Frankly, I think he's serious. He COULD be joking, but I'm thinking he means what he's typing. The main surprise is that he feels permitted to move freely on the internet and even communicate with us. twi and its offshoots made us forbidden- "monsters dwell there". He's still welcome to participate in discussion with us no matter what his opinions. He certainly hasn't been rude or abusive. Disagreeing politely is fine-strange, but fine.

It IS "the Jazz Singer". The spoken line WAS the end of "silent" films and the beginning of films with "synchronized sound", aka "the talkies". It IS about Al Jolson. Personally, I'd give this one to Matilda.

"Wait a minute, wait a minute. You ain't heard nothin' yet!"

This is what I get for not checking in. That's "Disney's Aladdin." The first quote is Iago the Parrot, with the impossible-to-disguise Gilbert Gottfried providing the voice. The second quote's from "A Whole New World."

In other words, twi is still losing net membership every year, and is getting a bit desperate to try to stop that. How small does twi have to be before the vultures at the top have to worry about working real jobs?

One thing I learned here at the GSC is to NOT trust any websites that use WEB-BEACONS.

================================================= In case you missed my point, I can only be SO glad to benefit from something, when I know my benefit was purchased by the blood of the innocent. Proverbs 10:22 The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it. The blessing of twi, it made vpw rich, and gave us some good teachings, and it added much sorrow to some of our brothers and sisters, for whom Christ died.

There's differences of opinions as to how many of those are "truths" and how many were just presented convincingly. Me, I don't disagree with any of those, but I can see the points of those who do. Furthermore, to limit the question like this leaves out FAR more important questions. Questions like: -How do you feel knowing you learned all your "truths" from a man who claimed to have a connection with God unique in all of 2000 years, and claimed the "truths" taught all stem from that connection, only to find out that he took ALL of it from other Christians who came before him, and pretended he didn't? -How do you feel about a man who put forth that he "was a man of God", meaning that, among other things, he made a reasonable attempt at living in a manner not displeasing God, only to find that he designed everything so that he could quietly feed his vices? Greed for money, for things, addictions to alcohol and tobacco, lusts for women (who were drugged, raped and/or molested) other than his wife? -How do you feel that he redefined all sorts of Godly principles and ideas so that they applied to him (apostle, man of God) and redefined other things (sin is "broken fellowship") and added other concepts ("the lockbox", "all the women in the kingdom belonged to the king") all so he could appear holy while sinning all he wanted? -How do you feel that he arranged the physical details so as to make it easier for him to sin- arranging private places with beds so he had places to sin, using the corps autobiographies to select women whom he could victimize, maintaining a circle of people to make sure victims remained silent? -How do you feel that he treated Christians- people for whom Christ died- as DISPOSABLE? Besides using women like merchandise, he also dealt with people who were badly injured or raped (not always, but some of the time) by putting them on a Greyhound bus and sending them on a multi-day trip while they were barely functional? -How do you feel that there are people who KNOW all these things, who WITNESSED some of these things, who have TESTIFIED to these things, while other people do whatever they can to SILENCE them, to call women who were victims LIARS and blame them for being raped, and do whatever they can to have their testimony buried? Finally, -How do you think God Almighty feels about all this?

Now that's shameless. He redefined a NUMBER. How's THAT for avoiding reality?

I agree. Please note it was in the book "the Way:Living in Love" (pg-77 to start with), so it was in use around 1970.

Some of the subjects are the same. Some of the subjects are not. We do still get people, from time to time, who are either leaving now, or who left before and are now trying to put the pieces together. We also, however, are quite poopular with current twi'ers coming here and reading and learning what twi won't tell them- and not logging in, they're guests. (Similarly, CES/STFI people do that, especially when there's current events for their group.) The GSC is a clearinghouse of information. twi refuses to inform and discuss with their members, so they come here as the only current alternative that actually INFORMS. We also get new arrivals who have not yet been members, but who have been approached by twi'ers, and want information. They come here for similar reasons. So, current twi'ers come here, and sometimes they leave twi. Ex-twi come here and find it easier to move on with their lives once they understand things. And twi finds it even harder to recruit new people who can come here and learn all about them so easily, which means the group's numbers continue to shrink from year to year. Any ONE of those reasons is enough to come back here, IMHO.

The supposed incident on the train.... Orange Book, pg-29-31. ========= Whenever I read this record from Mark 3, it reminds me of the times I was practicing the principles of the greatness of God's Word in other countries of the world. On one occasion when I was teaching in Jubbulpore, India, a lady who had worked in a mission service for thirty years was delivered by God's power of a number of sicknesses which appeared incurable. This deliverance caused such a stir in the city of Jubbulpore the morning after the miracle occurred, that when my family and I were ready to board the train and leave Jubbulpore, hundreds of people gathered at the railroad depot. This crowd, which was composed mainly of Hindus, wanted me to lay my hands on them individually because they thought that I must have some special powers in my hands since I had laid my hands on the woman the previous day. They felt that if I just laid my hands on them, they too would be delivered. Just before the train on which we were traveling moved out of the depot, a high-caste Hindu, whose paralyzed arm was hanging limp at his side, ran up to our railroad compartment. He said to me, "Will you pray for my arm?" However, he immediately added, "But I do not believe in your Jesus." What would you have done? I asked him if he believed God would deliver him. He said, "I believe that God will heal me if you pray for me, but I do not believe in your Jesus." So again I asked him, "Do you believe God will set you free?" And he said, "I believe God will heal me, but I do not believe in your Jesus." I laid my hands on him, and I prayed that God would set him free in the name of Jesus Christ. When I finished I said to him, "Now lift your arm." He began to put it up, and suddenly he thrust up both of his arms. He leaped and shouted with tears streaming down his face. Once he had lifted his arm a little, he realized the miracle. He was totally set free. About then the train began moving, and I said, "Praise God; thank God that you were healed in the name of Jesus Christ." At the next stop, a man came to our compartment in the train, saying that he was representing his master who wanted to come and meet the man of God. He said his master was so-and-so, a member of Parliament in New Delhi, who was also riding on the train. The member of Parliament then came to our compartment to tell Mrs Wierwille and me that what he had seen in Jubbulpore was the most tremendous Christian event that he had ever witnessed- that a man of God would bless all God's people irrespective of whether they were Christian or Hindu. He offered us the keys to his city and said that any time we wanted to minister in India, the doors of India and the Far East would be open to us to teach the accuracy and the greatness of God's Word. " ================================= [Here's my thoughts on the account...] Orange Book, pg-29-31. ========= "Whenever I read this record from Mark 3, it reminds me of the times I was practicing the principles of the greatness of God's Word in other countries of the world. On one occasion when I was teaching in Jubbulpore, India, a lady who had worked in a mission service for thirty years was delivered by God's power of a number of sicknesses which appeared incurable. This deliverance caused such a stir in the city of Jubbulpore the morning after the miracle occurred, that when my family and I were ready to board the train and leave Jubbulpore, hundreds of people gathered at the railroad depot. This crowd, which was composed mainly of Hindus, wanted me to lay my hands on them individually because they thought that I must have some special powers in my hands since I had laid my hands on the woman the previous day." [so, we have vpw himself praying for the woman, and she was delivered. Within 24 hours, there was a crowd looking for healing. And they were non-believers, Hindus, who all just happened to hear about this, and believed it such that they showed up in a crowd. Could have happened. Presuming he prayed and she was delivered.] "They felt that if I just laid my hands on them, they too would be delivered." [i'm unsure of Hindu beliefs in India enough to know if this is typical.] "Just before the train on which we were traveling moved out of the depot, a high-caste Hindu, whose paralyzed arm was hanging limp at his side, ran up to our railroad compartment. He said to me, "Will you pray for my arm?" However, he immediately added, "But I do not believe in your Jesus." " [supposing this is true, there was a crowd, and the majority of the people would have been low-caste. The high-caste guy was willing to shove his way through a crowd of low-caste people, and thus being in physical contact with them, to shove through them and get to the front of the group, on the chance that this guy could help him. Forgive me, I can't picture this guy having the strength to shove through-unless he could use both arms.] "What would you have done? I asked him if he believed God would deliver him. He said, "I believe that God will heal me if you pray for me, but I do not believe in your Jesus." So again I asked him, "Do you believe God will set you free?" And he said, "I believe God will heal me, but I do not believe in your Jesus." I laid my hands on him, and I prayed that God would set him free in the name of Jesus Christ. When I finished I said to him, "Now lift your arm." He began to put it up, and suddenly he thrust up both of his arms. He leaped and shouted with tears streaming down his face. Once he had lifted his arm a little, he realized the miracle. He was totally set free. About then the train began moving, and I said, "Praise God; thank God that you were healed in the name of Jesus Christ." " [so, God was fine with this healing. And it was instant. And vpw was preaching from the back of the train. And allowed to stand there-WITH A CROWD SURROUNDING THE BACK OF THE TRAIN- while the train prepared to move. And he was allowed to be in physical contact with someone on the ground as the train is moving forward. I just don't think the trains in India are run that badly. It's too cinematic. The only thing we're missing is the train whistle and sunlight breaking out from the clouds.] "At the next stop, a man came to our compartment in the train, saying that he was representing his master who wanted to come and meet the man of God. He said his master was so-and-so, a member of Parliament in New Delhi, who was also riding on the train. The member of Parliament then came to our compartment to tell Mrs Wierwille and me that what he had seen in Jubbulpore was the most tremendous Christian event that he had ever witnessed- that a man of God would bless all God's people irrespective of whether they were Christian or Hindu. He offered us the keys to his city and said that any time we wanted to minister in India, the doors of India and the Far East would be open to us to teach the accuracy and the greatness of God's Word. " [And a guy in the train was able to see what happened completely in the back of the train, with his own eyes. And had influence in ALL OF INDIA. And gave vpw a standing invitation to come minister and teach in ALL OF INDIA. And gave him the keys to New Delhi based entirely on an incident NOT in New Delhi. And vpw remembered all this, but never followed up in India despite having an open door. This sounds scripted to me. And not scripted WELL, either.] [None of us ever got to see a display with the key to the city even. Funny how the man who name-dropped all over his personal history suddenly stops naming names when he got to THIS story. That's what happened when we got the made-up story about the 2 men who gave generously to charities and were hated in their community, but they secretly sat in a room and exercised their mysterious believing-power to illustrate vpw's fictional "law" of believing. The woman who murdered her child with her fear didn't have a name, either. I know someone once claimed to see photos of the incident- photos which, BTW, contradict vpw's account since the order of events is all wrong. However, no matter WHAT was in the 2 photos, this entire story seems like it's nearly all- or all- invented from whole cloth. Someone claimed this sounded partly like a movie about Lincoln they saw once. Perhaps something from that movie, plus something from someone else's ministry in India (E.Stanley Jones?)]

With everybody becoming God, he sounds sorta post-modern.... It's the other stuff that makes him sound Fundamentalist Mormon...