WordWolf

You might be too young for this to be easy for you. (It's certainly before MY time.)

SINCE Tom was right, this one is up for grabs. Whoever wants to put up the next one, can put up the next one. How about some new faces?

Here's how the quotes fell.... "I was waiting for the universe to dispense some justice but sometimes the universe is just too damn slow. The effects of putting Nair in someone's styling gel, however, only take a few minutes." Murphy was known to prank people in revenge. "I haven't experienced life!" "I've experienced life, and I'm here to tell you it's overrated." Corky and Murphy. Corky was getting married and having wedding jitters. "I am only a lowly cog in this woman's life. Pity me." Eldon the housepainter. "When will you learn, if it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't matter?" Murphy's view on life. "I come in peace!" "..I take it you're going with 'I come in peace' again..." Frank Fontana did a story with a hostage situation, where he acted as an unofficial negotiator. Whenever FYI did a retrospective, he ALWAYS chose that one as a must-use. "My head is spinning..." "Of course it's spinning. It's revolted-your brain is probably trying to twist its way out of your head!" Corky had kissed Miller Renfield-and Murphy walked in as it happened. ("My eyes!") "C'mon guys, I'm missing '2 Stupid Dogs' for this." Frank, concerning one early meeting. "...that bleeping little Dutch boy...." "We are in court-you will need to read that EXACTLY as you wrote it." "That IS the way I wrote it. Look." "'That bleeping little Dutch boy...'" Corky Sherwood married Bill Forrest, making her Corky Sherwood-Forrest. (Faith Ford, at the time, had married and was Faith Ford-Nottingham.) Bill Forrest had written a children's story. While he wrote, she wrote in her diary. Later, someone claimed he plagiarized their story. Corky's diary, when she was frustrated over all his work on the story with no time for her- became the critical evidence in the case. "That means WE are the art!" "It's on the CEILING!" Eldon the painter (who did murals on ceilings) had an art showing. The walls were bare, and some pretentious visitors speculated this was a statement on the barrenness of art, except for one who thought that it made THEM the art. But, it was ON THE CEILING and they didn't look up. So, Eldon pulled a cord, dropping the cover off the mural. At which point, that guy thought they were the art again..... "Miller Renfield! How were things in the Kuala Lampur?" The FYI team had conspired to have him sent far, far away.... "I finally figured out what FYI stands for: "Four Yelling Idiots." A political cartoonist made fun of an accidentally-broadcast joke, and then made a bigger and bigger fuss over them, almost turning his strip into an anti-FYI strip. And THEN Murphy got him back.... "All right. That's a step. There's 11 more-we'll get to that." Murphy began the series returning to FYI after a stay at Betty Ford to dry out. Sometime later, a colleague (Kate Mulgrew) arrived with a serious drinking problem. Murphy helped her face up to it-by admitting she HAD a problem. Which, IIRC, is Step One of the 12-Step program. "There was no chemistry, there was no old gang! And if there was, you weren't apart of it. You drove us nuts! Taking off your shoes, humming while you ate, and there's no such word as alls, it's all. It's all I know! It wasn't the network, it was us! We wanted you fired!" Wallace Shawn played a former FYI'er who had habits that annoyed the rest of them, so they complained, and management moved him. Eventually he came back, and Murphy had to clear the air. "I want a Miles Silverberger!" "People don't name sandwiches after executive producers. Look, I know you like hot dogs-let me get you a Fontana Frank." Phil tried to name food dishes after the FYI crew. Miles Silverberg didn't get something named after him, and was bitter. Phil gave it up because it was costing him business. "People kept coming in, saying 'Hate him, hate her' and not ordering." "Oh, great! Now we know what they teach in the Louisiana school system in sophomore year instead of Spanish!" A Thanksgiving somehow resulted in a LIVE turkey being loose in Murphy's house. Corky tried to get it to cooperate. She noted they're skittish, then tried to imitate a turkey, which was funny on its own, but then Murphy gave this reply. "...This is a gay bar." "A gay bar? Jim owns a gay bar? That means-oh my God- Jim is GAY?" "CORKY! Jim and Doris have been happily married for over TWENTY YEARS!" "Do you think she knows?" Priceless exchange. Jim Dial missed the bar he visited when he was a journalism student, long ago. He took his money, and bought a bar, and tried to recreate the feel of it. Since he's an anchorman, he called it "the Anchorman." He was unaware it had attracted a gay crowd of customers. (It was doing good business, he was having a good time when he was there....) The first time the FYI crew visited, Corky went to the ladies room (so clean, it's like it was never used), and one of the guys made a pass at Frank (who had been annoyed he didn't see any women. When Corky got back, they tried to explain it to her. Then they had to tell Jim. "And that's ALL'S I know about politics." Wallace Shawn's character came back, and tried his hand at public office. "And now, a man so cute they gave him his own network, Stan Lansing!" Stan Lansing, studio head, was frustrated they couldn't find a perfect host for the late-night show he wanted-like the Tonight Show, etc. Eventually, someone blurted out that if he thought it was so easy to do, HE could try it. So he did. Crash and burn. "You make me feel, You make me feel, You make me feel like a natural woma---AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Commercials ripped this episode off for YEARS. (And it was still amusing.) First episode. Murphy, home alone, singing to some of her favorite music, and completely unaware that Eldon, the housepainter, was there, finishing some work. He came out at the singing, and just watched her from a doorway until she spotted him and screamed. This is a show that had a character who previously had spent time in the Betty Ford Clinic. And had Scott Bakula as a regular at one point. And Lily Tomlin. And Gary Marshall. My favorite line of Scott Bakula's character: "What? Seriously-Murphy's had a lot of secretaries?" If you'd watched a few episodes, it was a funny line. If you'd watched more, it was funnier. And guested Bob Newhart, Don Rickles, Bette Midler, Rose Marie, and Haley Joel Osment. It won 7 Emmys, 3 Golden Globes, and 2 SAG Awards. (It might have won more Emmys, but one actress removed herself from consideration after winning her FIFTH EMMY IN A ROW for this show.)

You ARE correct!

"Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum. You came along and everything's startin' to hum."

"I was waiting for the universe to dispense some justice but sometimes the universe is just too damn slow. The effects of putting Nair in someone's styling gel, however, only take a few minutes." "I haven't experienced life!" "I've experienced life, and I'm here to tell you it's overrated." "I am only a lowly cog in this woman's life. Pity me." "When will you learn, if it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't matter?" "I come in peace!" "..I take it you're going with 'I come in peace' again..." "My head is spinning..." "Of course it's spinning. It's revolted-your brain is probably trying to twist its way out of your head!" "C'mon guys, I'm missing '2 Stupid Dogs' for this." "...that bleeping little Dutch boy...." "We are in court-you will need to read that EXACTLY as you wrote it." "That IS the way I wrote it. Look." "'That bleeping little Dutch boy...'" "That means WE are the art!" "It's on the CEILING!" "Miller Renfield! How were things in the Kuala Lampur?" "I finally figured out what FYI stands for: "Four Yelling Idiots." "All right. That's a step. There's 11 more-we'll get to that." "There was no chemistry, there was no old gang! And if there was, you weren't apart of it. You drove us nuts! Taking off your shoes, humming while you ate, and there's no such word as alls, it's all. It's all I know! It wasn't the network, it was us! We wanted you fired!" "I want a Miles Silverberger!" "People don't name sandwiches after executive producers. Look, I know you like hot dogs-let me get you a Fontana Frank." "Oh, great! Now we know what they teach in the Louisiana school system in sophmore year instead of Spanish!" "...This is a gay bar." "A gay bar? Jim owns a gay bar? That means-oh my God- Jim is GAY?" "CORKY! Jim and Doris have been happily married for over TWENTY YEARS!" "Do you think she knows?" "And that's ALL'S I know about politics." "And now, a man so cute they gave him his own network, Stan Lansing!" "You make me feel, You make me feel, You make me feel like a natural woma---AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Commercials ripped this episode off for YEARS. (And it was still amusing.) This is a show that had a character who previously had spent time in the Betty Ford Clinic. And had Scott Bakula as a regular at one point. And Lily Tomlin. And Gary Marshall. And guested Bob Newhart, Don Rickles, Bette Midler, Rose Marie, and Haley Joel Osment. It won 7 Emmys, 3 Golden Globes, and 2 SAG Awards. (It might have won more Emmys, but one actress removed herself from consideration after winning her FIFTH EMMY IN A ROW for this show.)

(Where did this post go? I reconstructed most of it a post later.)

Hm. A song whose name is not in the opening line, that people will recognize BY the opening line. Hm. "Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum."

On the one hand, it seems they are referring specifically to an earthly king. On the other hand, it seems they are not. I believe BOTH are correct. If we were discussing that particular earthly king, I would skip discussions about who ELSE it might refer to. Since we're discussing the other, I just didn't bring up the earthly king. Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not. This referred to Rahel and Ramah. However, Matthew 2:17-18 (King James Version) "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, 18In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not." We have Herod's slaughter of innocents stated that THIS is what Jeremiah was talking about. Now, I COULD say "It ONLY referred to Rahel and Ramah, so, Matthew, you're wrong." Since I don't think it was MATTHEW's idea, but God Almighty's, I don't have the gall to say "God, you're wrong." I contemplate how BOTH answers are right. This is STILL all based on my current understanding, and is NOT the last word on the subject.

This show was NOT short-lived. It was, what? 7 seasons? 8 seasons? All on primetime, not counting syndication. Raf must be busy.

Gotta remember a music video with Robin Williams and Bill Irwin. Bobby Mc Ferrin's "Don't Worry, Be Happy."

I do not believe there's a device we can point at someone and detect "born again" or not. I do not believe there's any single thing a person can say or do which allows us to detect "born again" or not. Did they claim they made Jesus their Lord and believed God raised them from the dead? How do I know they weren't lying? Any actor-or any con artist- could make a CONVINCING display of emotion at the podium, claiming convictions concerning God, and it could all be lies. Do they speak in tongues? Again, any actor-or any con artist- of any passing skill can clearly and lucidly pronounce syllables not in a known language, and make them sound as if there's conviction behind them. (Now that I think of it, I DID have a class in college where one exercise, we did exactly that. In our case, it was to demonstrate the ability to convey a scene through tone, and through action, but without telling anyone what the scene was. The teacher was able to get EXACTLY what was happening-and it was pretty complicated. But I'm rambling off-topic.) So, I do not believe there is any one thing we can do to determine if someone we're looking at is "born again" or not. There's no miraculous tattoo, there's no "Highlander buzz", there's no nothing.

He also died before Pentecost. I thought that meant-by definition- he couldn't BE "born again." John the Baptizer, according to Jesus-who would know- was even-up with the greatest of the great ever born, but he was less than the least in the kingdom of God. He also died before Pentecost.

I've wondered about II Peter 2, also. KJV "2 Peter 2 1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb foot speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. ============ I wonder about the last 4 verses. If "those that were clean escaped" are supposedly "born again", what could it mean that they can face a "latter end" "worse with them than the beginning"? Supposedly, this would mean verse 21 says it would have been better NEVER to have been "born again", than to have been born again and THEN turn aside and serve lust, wantonness, and greed. Does that mean that- if a man is born again, then decides to serve his lusts, and treats others like merchandise, that God will deliver a punishment so severe, that he'd rather have never been born again, because he would never have faced a punishment so severe?

Ever notice they're the only 2 men referred to in the KJV as "son of perdition"? I've wondered sometimes whether that means that "the Antichrist" as you called him, or, as II Thessalonians called him, the "man of sins", would be-like Judas- a man claiming to be religious, given to making pious displays and statements ("that could have been sold, and the money given to the poor") and using a position as a servant of God to satisfy his lusts ("he had the bag, and bore what was therein.") I don't have any answers to that. And I've been wondering it for a long time.

"I was waiting for the universe to dispense some justice but sometimes the universe is just too damn slow. The effects of putting Nair in someone's styling gel, however, only take a few minutes." "I haven't experienced life!" "I've experienced life, and I'm here to tell you it's overrated." "I am only a lowly cog in this woman's life. Pity me." "When will you learn, if it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't matter?" "I come in peace!" "..I take it you're going with 'I come in peace' again..." "My head is spinning..." "Of course it's spinning. It's revolted-your brain is probably trying to twist its way out of your head!" "C'mon guys, I'm missing '2 Stupid Dogs' for this." "...that bleeping little Dutch boy...." "We are in court-you will need to read that EXACTLY as you wrote it." "That IS the way I wrote it. Look." "'That bleeping little Dutch boy...'" "That means WE are the art!" "It's on the CEILING!" "Miller Renfield! How were things in the Kuala Lampur?" "I finally figured out what FYI stands for: "Four Yelling Idiots." "All right. That's a step. There's 11 more-we'll get to that." "There was no chemistry, there was no old gang! And if there was, you weren't apart of it. You drove us nuts! Taking off your shoes, humming while you ate, and there's no such word as alls, it's all. It's all I know! It wasn't the network, it was us! We wanted you fired!" "I want a Miles Silverberger!" "People don't name sandwiches after executive producers. Look, I know you like hot dogs-let me get you a Fontana Frank." "Oh, great! Now we know what they teach in the Louisiana school system in sophmore year instead of Spanish!" "...This is a gay bar." "A gay bar? Jim owns a gay bar? That means-oh my God- Jim is GAY?" "CORKY! Jim and Doris have been happily married for over TWENTY YEARS!" "Do you think she knows?" "And that's ALL'S I know about politics." This is a show that had a character who previously had spent time in the Betty Ford Clinic.

No. All the quotes were from regular characters. Including the ones with the names in it.

If YOU ever resorted to wrath with them, that would not be healthy. If you responded to immature screaming and ranting by folding up and collapsing into yourself, that would not be healthy. If you responded to immature screaming and ranting by returning it, that would not be particularly healthy, but it's better than the collapsing thing. It looks like you can "master" your emotions to a degree. Others can't force you into anger, nor do you resort to it yourself. Those are healthy adaptations to the Unhealthy situations you encountered. Sort of like how the body builds antibodies against germs once it's exposed to them. That's my opinion. When I was on my way out of twi, someone tried to put emotional pressure on me-I responded by separating myself from emotion and continuing to communicate calmly. He did NOT like it. Which, of course, amused me, making it easier to keep it up.

Ah, the link to TAKE the quiz is: http://www.gotoquiz.com/ultimate_bible_quiz

You're welcome. Please save the link for next time. :) This is all based on my current understanding, which is hardly the last word on the subject. Whether or not Jesus pre-existed the rebellion is a matter of contention, and unimportant to the main questions here. As I understand it, Lucifer was an "angel" of great authority, and great ability. Lucifer became envious of God Almighty, and decided that he himself would be set above all other angels, and be like God Almighty, usurping God's rightful authority. To do this, he co-opted 1/3 of the angels of Heaven, and staged a revolt. Michael was an "angel" of great authority, and great ability. When the former "light-bearer" chose darkness and staged the revolt, Michael led the forces dedicated to God Almighty. Michael's troops won. Usual depictions are of him going up against the former "lucifer" and defeating him single-handedly. I don't know either way. I know who won and who lost. After this, satan ("accuser") was cast down to Earth, no longer allowed in Heaven, along with his troops, who numbered at least 36,000. ---- Ok, what was the question again? Right-did God "turn the other cheek" or opt for a regime change. Well, the regime in Heaven stayed the same, with GOD in command. Some positions under him, of course, stayed the same, some changed as God filled the new vacancies. satan was cast out of Heaven, so there WERE consequences. God didn't destroy him, which was very lenient. I'm not sure if this answers your question.

No. You were closer the first time, if at all. I'm sure someone can name it by now.

Why is it when I discuss Galatians 5, I quote the verses, THEN discuss them, but when YOU discuss the verses, you just announce what they "say"? The reason WTH and you keep dragging this in is to ameliorate or palliate penaltiesvpw would face for his works of the flesh. Don't insult my intelligence and claim it's not. Request denied. The topic for discussion on this thread is "forgiveness." Being born again or not is NOT part of that- despite WTH and you pushing otherwise. I'm NOT getting off the topic. You look at people,and subtract the ones who are making the works of the fleshan ongoing concern of theirs. From there on, I leave the matter to God, who neither told me I had to worry about anyone being born again, nor gave me a barometer. He told me to watch out for those who do the works of the flesh- and THAT he gave me a barometer for. A "born again" who screws up people's lives for his lusts is to be avoided, as is a "rank unbeliever" who screws up people's lives for HIS lusts. THAT I'm supposed to watch out for. As to the rest, please note I am confident this entire line of questioning is in the same vein as the Pharisees trying to trip Jesus up. I have answered you anyway- TO A POINT. I do NOT intend to remain off-topic and engage in Sophistry used to obfuscate the issues. In other words, I've given you all the answer NOW on the subject I intend to, and plan on hewing to the actual TOPIC. Matthew 22:15-16. 15Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk. 16And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.

http://www.biblegateway.com KJV 3 occurrences of "Noe" in the NT, all in the Gospels, and not what you wanted. No occurrences of "chained" in the NT. "captivity captive" is Ephesians 4:8. I think what you wanted was I Peter 3:18-22. 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Matthew 22:15-18 15Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk. 16And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men. 17Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Matthew 22:35-40 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.