johniam

Back in my dope days we used to play a game we called "buzz bang". First you smoke a joint, then get a big bottle of something (usually wine). Then one number at a time everybody counts. On multiples of 5 you say buzz, on multiples of 7 you say bang. On multiples of both 5 and 7 you say buzz bang. So if someone screws up they had to take a hit off the bottle. So, OK. We were coherent enough to have these elaborate rules AND enforce them, but we were stoned enough to regularly screw up. Hmm. Sounds like a set up to me. The only TWI tape I have listened to in recent years is the Living Victoriously tapes. There'd be a lot of hits off them, especially on hypocatastasis. Let the games begin.

I think the 'generational' stuff puts pressure on people, but ultimately we make our own choices. Radar's uncle could have found something other than serial adultery to spend that time and energy on; he chose to do what he did. Same for VP. I never saw my dad hit my mom. My sisters say he could be abusive. He died when I was 9. He used to spank me but he was not brutal. As for whether or not a man should ever hit a woman....Clint Eastwood did so in at least 2 of his movies: The Gauntlet, and Sudden Impact. Didn't hurt his career. Paul Newman may have scripted himself out of a best actor oscar in his 1982 movie 'The Verdict' by allowing his character, a lawyer, to punch a woman in the mouth who had been sabotaging him behind his back. Art imitates life.

quote: Satan killed Elvis because he knew that everyone would go out and buy his records instead of Stevie Kays new album. ...whut...

Wolf: The closest the NT comes to saying believers are possessed is when Satan entered into the heart of Judas Iscariot and when Satan filled (pleroo) the heart of Acts 5 Ananias to lie to the holy ghost. I have no problem believing that devil spirits had direct influence on both of those, but I question TWI lightly tossing the possessed label around when God doesn't do it. Plus I agree with whoever said that TWI has a credibility problem.

Wolf and Oldies: Your points are true enough, but there's still no place in the NT which says any believer is possessed.

I'm still trying to figure out how someone can be possessed and redeemed at the same time. They taught us that being redeemed was one of our sonship rights and it meant we were bought back and the devil absolutely didn't own us anymore. Then one night I go out with the guys and have a bad thought and BOOP out goes the ..well, IN goes the button and I'm possessed. Personally, I think RFR has the spirit of a diseased Jimmy Carter.

Ckeer and Goey: Thank you. I saw Ozzy Osbourne last year and he did that song 'MIHHH-ster Crowley'.

I never heard that Prince himself took PFAL, but I heard that a woman who ended up in the corps was in Prince's band and chose TWI over Prince.

I once read that Eric Clapton was cured of heroin addiction by acupuncture. Speaking of myths, I'd like feedback on this one if anybody has any. It concerns the death of Led Zep drummer John Bonham. The commonly held belief is that he died from drinking too many shots of something. (strange since he reportedly was a beer drinker) TWI says he tried to perform a black magic incantation and f*cked up the procedure so the devil spirit(s) snuffed him right then and there. Easy call for most, but approximately 2 days after he died I was listening to the rock station I still listen to here in STL, KSHE 95, and the DJ said a news wire had just come up saying Bonham was "fully clothed; no apparent cause of death". Now wait a minute! Fully clothed; no apparent cause of death does not fit with drinking too many shots or drinking, period. It could fit TWI's explanation. I heard that explanation from an apprentice corps guy who lived with the 3rd corps area coordinator and I never heard the KSHE news wire explanation again. Weird, huh? Anybody know anything?

At ROA '77 they spent a whole evening on Howard Allen's healing. Speakers were VP, HA, JAL, Fritz Weingarner, and maybe a couple of others. No mention of spiders or HA being dead, just the 'believing' process which led to his healing. HA said he wanted to die, especially when they fed him the home remedy whatever it was. One thing that I remembered with interest is that after HA was out of mortal danger he still acted like a vegetable, so VP said he just sat HA at his desk hoping it would all come back to him and after 2 weeks it eventually did. The reason I say with interest is that a similar treatment was used on Detroit Redwing defenseman ... (can't remember his name...wait! OK, it was Konstantinov) ... the Russian guy who was severly injured in a limo crash 1 week after the Red wings won the '97 Stanley Cup. He, too, was like a vegetable and they let him hang around the locker room and the practice facility even though he couldn't play any more and it seemed to help him.

Ex: No. I like SW/Traffic music, but that's one I never had. Yeah, that word 'whack' has some issues; sounds like somebody's getting flogged or something.

Hmm. I read Archie in the 60s and went straight to Zap and the Furry Freak Brothers in the 70s. I'd love to see an R. Crumb version of TWI after dark.

Yeah, couple of corps people demonstrated with a metronome once. They did this... whack I love God whack God loves me whack I love myself. It kinda reminded me of Jack Lalaine.

Remember that group the "Guess Who"? (These eyes, Laughing, American woman, etc.) They named their first album "Wheatfield Soul" in response to a music critic's using the phrase as a put down. I think GSC has done the same.

Superlatives? How about "if you cop out on the word you'll be a grease spot by midnight!"

Who'd want to buy it? Oh, that! Don't worry about those graves in the front yard...just a landscaping technique.

Ex10: Didn't LCM have a BA in Psychology?

Richard Thomas is still in STL (been here since '85). He heads up the local CG faction. Haven't had any personal dealings with him, but he always seemed pretty cool. I hear he has a military background. I do recall, however, being around a 9th corps couple and an 11th corps guy when we found out RT was coming here. The 11th corps guy's head sinks down momentarily and then he breaks into song; started singing that Breakthrough song "military maaaa-AAAAN!" Guess you had to be there.

I can see one turning point. Bob Stanley's 'It's Hot' was OK IMO. The subject matter was people hanging out benefitting from God's deliverance. It was a perfectly good contribution to "God's call to rock and roll". Then his next one, 'God First' had indoctrination/brainwashing (as Cherished child put it) all over it. Way prod was a lot better when it focussed on God's deliverance, even God's Team.

quote: While this theory is valid, LCM teaches that the continents were split "in the days of Peleg" (he gets this from Genesis 10:25)! Geologically - it took MILLIONS and MILLIONS of years for the the continental drift to occur - yet LCM says that the bible teaches that it happened in a few years - "... for in his days was the earth divided". I always thought the 'in his (Peleg's) days was the earth divided' referred to in chapter 11 where all the EARTH was of one language, etc. The geneology given in chapter 11 says Peleg was born 101 yrs after the flood if I did my math right, so 'earth divided' could mean the confounding of their speech. I'm with dmiller on the part that God could do something like that on that big of a scale that wouldn't take millions of years. It would also explain how those Indians got to North America before Columbus did...or the Vikings.

LCM apparently needed the world to confirm his revelation. Remember how he was so excited about athletes of the spirit after seeing that movie 'Stayin' Alive'?

I don't know why, but whenever I try to watch the video it shows 5 seconds at a time and then freezes for 10 seconds. The same thing happened when I tried to watch that Terry Bradshaw promo. Hey, JL, what's wrong with "God's Team"?

Were the Gnostics mentioned in this as having influence in the culture?

The one apologizing is humoring the other if the apology is not genuine.

OK, this is my 2 cents... 1978 - All MO wows bus to HQ for a weekend. VPW has a meeting with us. He says he answers all letters, but there's so many he may have to staff some out soon like Billy Graham, but he hopes he doesn't have to do this. 1981 - I wrote a letter to him basically thanking him for his ministry. Not too sappy, just cordial. A month or so later I get this letter that says "thank you for sharing your heart with me in a letter..." (that kind of tone a page long). Gosh! 1984 - VPW comes to STL for a meeting. We are told beforehand that if we bring our copies of the Holy Spirit book we got at Living Victoriously VP will autograph it. So I did; still have it. I have reason to believe this signature is really his because he signed it "Victor Paul W" as 2 of Oldies 3 are signed, only the W doesn't even look like a letter; it looks like an unfinished U that trails off to the left. This suggests that he signed all the books in haste during a break. I also have reason to believe it isn't his signature. All Oldies' examples have the W trail off to the right, Mrs. W was there, and this was September of '84, less than 1 year before he died, so signing that many books might have been a chore for him at that point. The signature I have looks like it could match any of the 3 signatures Oldies posted. I don't know, really. Interestingly, at that same meeting we were told that VP noticed that Earl Burton's book 'Spiritual phenomena in the senses realm' was on sale at the bookstore, and he got mad and demanded it be removed. (?)