johniam

Yeah, I remember in 1989 someone who was on staff at HQ was kicked out for having the wrong response to the loyalty letter. She said she knew then that LCM was just trying to make the whole ministry like the corps. It took 5 more years before it was obvious, but that's what he did, and it didn't work too good.

It's being decent and in order, dammit! The only thing I can think of in scripture is the detail that went in to preparing the tabernacle that Moses oversaw. Also the detail that went into King Hezekiah restoring Judah from the mess that his predecessor, King Ahaz had made of it. And even then God was OK with some people not doing Passover until 1 month after everybody else did it. Like God Almighty really cares if chairs aren't strung. I don't speak for all offshoots, but we do 3 big meetings every calendar year. Haven't seen anyone string chairs yet. We're even having a pagan easter egg hunt for the kiddos this year, GASP!!! quote: On my interim year at hq.....I was assigned to oversee the responsibility of stringing chairs in the BRC. Thus, it was my household duty after supper to oversee each corps group with stringing chairs and setting up top-floor BRC before the next meeting. So, for a couple of weeks.... the supply box would come out and the chairs would be strung in perfect rows. Well......it didn't take long before I saw this nifty short-cut. Since these chairs had been placed in, basically, the same position for years......we would shut off the overhead lights and use the 'lover lights' only because then, the carpet showed the indentations more clearly. Voila! No more string was needed. Seriously.....we had straight rows and BRC set-up accomplished in about 12 minutes. The inrez corps loved me for it.....as we 'outsmarted' the taskmasters and went about our merry way. It was our own little secret. A secret that, until today.........I don't think I've ever confessed. :biglaugh:/> Sounds like something someone on Waydale once posted. He would always go for a smoke break during corps night teachings and his strategy was to always bring someone else so that if the wrong person came there he would quickly cup the cigarette and start "ministering to him". Oh, that's awful, but funny too.

Maybe it's me, but the people who were really anal about stupid stuff in twi seemed to stick out like a sore thumb. I just don't remember too many people who would jump all over you for, say, going to a relative's funeral rather than a limb meeting. I knew a girl who once had a dilemma. Go to a limb meeting, go to a catholic event with her parents, OR...what she ended up doing was...going to a Rocky Horror picture show weekend with THOSE people. Problem solved.

quote: We're going far afield off this topic, and perhaps we should go to pm's on this. Sounds like the final word to me.

WW you prove my point every time you post.

If anything I'm putting an attitude in his head, but IMO it's already there, 24/7, every day.

WW, you are a control freak who hubristically thinks you are the final word on ANYTHING posted here. Anyone who doesn't track with you is "possessed" and should be "marked and avoided". There, is that insinuating enough for you?

Not trying to be insulting, but you like to post songs to illustrate points. Perhaps the song for this point is...Barry Manilow's I've made it through the rain. I don't think that's twisted.

WW, sorry I woke you up from your nap.

quote: instead of punishing the alleged perpetrators. Oh, so now if anyone is accused of anything, they automatically need to be "punished"??? quote: The internet provides an open forum that allows unfounded assertions to be spread without proof. There seems to be no defense against such attacks getting started when someone has an agenda. Mm hmm.

This goes back to the 80s, but I saw the word's way at a used bookstore. Internet's probably the way to go. $132 bucks for the living word speaks? Niiiice. Interesting article by Ralph D in there.

I hate to bring up VP, but he wrote in "Lifestyle of a believer" that there are times when 2 clear and plain duties conflict and you have to decide which one to perform and which one to neglect. Never mind how HE might have applied that logic. You have a duty to follow company rules. You have a duty to protect yourself. If following this company rule would put you in any potential danger, you definitely have something to consider. Just the fact that this bothers you enough that you posted this is telling. Would you like us to pray about this for you?

I had hardly read the bible before pfal. I think it had huge impact that VP treated the bible like it was a legal document. Chapter and verse. Rightly divided. I'm not saying he was 100% correct. I'm saying that by treating the bible like a rule book, he revealed a lot, not only about the bible but about his critics as well. Most Christians DO treat the bible as an aid to devotion. Personally, I think he made a better case for JCING than his critics did for JCIG. I used to have a fascination about catholics before twi. There was just something about them. One time when I was in elementary school I walked past a catholic elementary school and they were having outdoor gym class or something. They were doing some kind of relay and in order to complete the relay, each kid had to get on their knees and bow to a nun before running back to wherever. I thought it was kind of strange. I had several friends who were catholic, but none of them ever invited me to mass or talked about being catholic.

quote: Note: Although often confused with Branch Davidians (known for the stand off and fire of 1993 near Waco, Texas) the two groups are separate and distinct. Branch Davidian Seventh-day Adventists was begun by the late Benjamin Roden after the death of Davidian founder Victor T. Houteff in 1955. David Koresh has no connection whatsoever with the group Houteff started?

Just checked in memorium. No mention of the death last week of Jim Lange, the original host of the dating game. He was 81. GSN (game show network) will be airing 8 consecutive episodes of the old dating game show on Wed. March 5th from 8AM-12PM ET. in his honor. Haven't seen that show for decades. It led to the various incarnations of the Newlywed game, and, besides Baggage, there was an MTV show in the 90s called Singled Out, in which 100 guys try to get a date with one girl. Jenny McCarthy was the main host. That was like the dating game on acid. I'll be working when they show those reruns, but hopefully they'll show them later. Willie Mays was one of the bachelors once, and he got picked. Once a military guy had to pick between 3 good looking actresses. He picked Susan Oliver because she answered one of his questions revealing she had a private jet. I always liked that they played an excerpt from the song Tijuana taxi when the girl was entering the stage. RIP Jim Lange and I hope those shows will be aired at least a second time.

I don't think it's fake. If the spirit of God is real and everybody has the same spirit, then it's not fake. We did our protocols and sometimes it was awkward, but the friendships weren't fake. Even in the drug culture, we were supposed to see everybody else as a "brother" or "sister". We felt like we were part of something special. Those friendships sometimes dissolved when people moved on to other things, but they weren't fake, either. Even the schools we attended. First day of Kindergarten. They herd you into this classroom with this teacher and all these other kids you don't know and wouldn't ever know if your parents hadn't all bought real estate in the same general area. And you're supposed to get along with these other kids. That's more fake than twi or drugs. At least I got to choose those things. Pretty much everybody I interact with is ex twi. Doesn't bother me a bit.

quote: Where this purge was chronically listed.....I don't exactly remember. The purges were coming in waves and if I recall correctly: 1)loyalty purge, 2)homo purge, 3)non-productive purge, 4)debt purge, 5)mortgage purge, 6)wap class purge. The first purge I heard of was the debt purge, enacted during word in business, spring of 1994. He gave all way corps until the ROA to get out of debt or else DFAC. Then the homo purge dominated the ROA that year. Wonder if Rosie and Donna will tie the knot now (special permission from God). Then soon after the ROA now comes the unproductive evil purge. That's the one that got me and my family out of twi. The loyalty purge sounds like the letter LCM wrote to corps and staff in 1986 demanding allegiance to him instead of "the man across the seas". The other 2 I wasn't around to enjoy. None of us would've ever even taken pfal if this had been done by VP in the 70s.

What? You mean I can actually LEAVE here?

Stick it into someone's tail pipe and run away.

I like GSN's Baggage. It's like the dating game on steroids. Also, there are 3 versions of Family Feud all good. The hosts are Steve Harvey, Richard Karn, and John O'Hurley. They ask questions Richard Dawson never had to ask. On the tame side,what about Tarzan would Jane think is sexy? Once during fast money they asked to name something your body has that starts with the letter L. This 20 something girl said lice. Oops. Number one answer was leg. Awhile back GSN showed every episode of what's my line all the way back to 1950. Salvador Dali was the mystery guest once. Wish they'd do that again.

My wife was raised in a rather strict protestant religion. Her parents had a plan for her whole life, which included not moving out of the house until she got married. She had other ideas. Moved out at 18, left the religion 6 months later, got into twi 1 year later, left out of her mother's will. Her older brother never got married and never moved out of the house, other than a brief military stint, and has been living in a half way house since his mother's death in 2000. Her younger sister did not leave the house until marriage. They are nice people; we stay in touch with them. So, what does this have to do with twi's "sandbox"? College education, just like "Jesus", has a PLAN for YOUR LIFE!!! To many people, getting a college education is this 'holy grail', without which, life has no meaning, home has no harmony, and there's no way to separate truth from error. Sound familiar? Not everybody lives in that vacuum. Might be an esthetically pleasing vacuum, but IMO there are just as many 'locusts' there. Those 20 things are from the pov of someone who has drunk THAT particular koolaid. Let's look at a few of them. 1) Much of your wage growth happens in the first few years of your career. - Before twi the most I made was 6K. I didn't make 10K plus until age 32. 2) Many of your most significant life events will take place in your 20s. - Got married in my 30s, kids after that. Define "significant life event". 3) You’re very likely to meet your future spouse or partner in your 20s. - See #2. 13) It’s the time to set the stage for good lifelong habits. - I think that studying the word, praying, witnessing, fellowshipping with likeminded believers, and ABSing are good lifelong habits! 15) There isn’t as much time as you think there is. - In twi we had word over the world and the urgency of the times. Whatever and wherever a college educated life leads you produces the same urgency. 20) Your 20s are when you learn to be an adult. - Agreed. I learned more about being an adult in twi than anywhere else. Well, other that being raised by my mom. But even parents can only do so much. Eventually you have to take the baton from them and run on your own. Twi was the best thing that ever happened to me. I had to take the baton from it and run my own course, but for its time, twi was my most "significant life event". No regrets.

Or option 5. He said in his autobiography that he hated blacks because of how his brother Otto died in 1930. The KKK was popular in non southern states at that time. Twenty ninth president Warren G. Harding (1920-23) was a member and he was from Ohio. Perhaps Harry got the KKK to invest in his business and he "abs'd" to them in return. That would explain why VP used that hotline referred to here, IF VP at least verbally agreed to support the 'cause'.

You think he was into something criminal? Joseph McCarthy had the fbi and the secret service looking for communists in 1950. Who had time to care about somebody in Ohio? So what was he REALLY doing to make that money?

Three months is "inordinate"??? Doesn't boot camp last that long?

He asked us to do that for the next 3 months, claiming in a positive way, that we wouldn't know ourselves. The isolation part is still just your opinion. I mean, nobody "isolates" themselves with TV, the internet, video games, reading books, etc. right?