anyone in the 11th wc may remember my "Pubic Speaking" moment dealing with my dad and one of his swinger couples...I long since have forgiven him, however I have also concluded with selfishness many times comes poor judgment.
Yeah Dot....I don't think much or orgies - - in fact they make me sick to my stomach, literally whenever I get those thoughts in my head. They happened in my living room about once or twice a month. And the participants weren't even considerate enough to talk quietly when they came back to my patent's bedroom to collect their clothing and get dressed to go home.
I guess it was when I was around 6 that one Sunday morning I found some "stuff" on the furniture and I asked what it was and my mother cleaned it up pronto and said "nothing"....so then I had creepy feelings about sitting on any of the living room furniture.
Funny (not) thing is, I buried all this so deep that I never remembered it again until I was much older...and it all came flying back in my face. It took a long time to come to terms with it - and I don't think I'm over it now....and I'm 64.
Krys-- I can relate--totally so--, my dad brought in drugs and the whole thing was just scary as hell for this kid and her kid brother. He still justifies things...we don't talk much--I have never let him near my kids except 1x for 2 hours at a Balloon Fiesta here 10 years ago. My kids only now him as the deranged genius that did drug and was hooked on pornography. (He helped Milton Freidman write the book that won him the Nobel Prize for economics)
I suppose people can do this stuff when there are no one they really care about, but to me its the height of selfishness and completely arrogant.
(He helped Milton Freidman write the book that won him the Nobel Prize for economics)
I suppose people can do this stuff when there are no one they really care about, but to me its the height of selfishness and completely arrogant.
That book, I believe would be "Free to Choose"... but I never read in THAT book about choosing partners or alternative lifestyles! Yikes! I had a copy for years. Friedman died not to long ago.
I can't imagine... (okay I can IMAGINE it , but can't see myself anywhere near participating) as it clearly has so many potential pitfalls/negative ramifications to others that it seems totally selfish/narcissistic to justify doing it.
... as Vickles said... I (sometimes) don't mind bein nakee... but can't see subjecting anyone else to having to look at me without clothes. Of course, when I was married, I had no problem with one person in particular seeing... but to others, it probably would qualify as torture!
Rocky, it was a book written int he 70's, my dad wrote the 3rd chapter. he's got a cridt in there somewhere, I had a copy at one time, but have since sold it r something
I've never tried it or considered it, and it doesn't seem to appeal to me, generally speaking. But on another level, under perfect circumstances, it sounds kind of good.
Of course there are never perfect circumstances are there! Darn it! So I don't believe it would ever work out for me. And if I were in love with a man, I know I wouldn't even want to do it. But I think a large percentage of men would like to try it at some point; society and wives in general don't support it though, so they never do it.
But no, I don't consider it cheating at all, if it's something the couple agree to do. Unfortunately, it would seem like feelings would always be a problem, for at least one or more of the participants, at some point.
I worked with a lady who claimed to be a swinger with her husband. Mind you this lady was the ULTIMATE hag!!! Everyone at work couldn't stand her because she was so mean and rude.
I was driving down the road one day and a woman in a ruffly mini skirt, cowboy hat, and short boots caught my peripheral vision. It was the woman who worked with me!! She was at least 55, and had shaggy permed hair which always had at least a 2 inch gray line on top of her head. Did I mention she wore no makeup and thick black rimmed glasses. Yes, she is a real babe!! At her husband thinks so. Good for him!!
She would come to work wearing a moo-moo and thongs thinking she looked nice and acceptable for office attire. Or she would wear an extremely clingy dress made of stretch polyester and platform hooker sandals. This woman had bulges in places that clingy dresses should not hang.
She claimed a guy at the Laughlin River Run was killed becase he was fighting another guy to pick her up for the night. Mind you she is married. She was kicked out of a casino in Laughlin, Nevada, because she was wearing a fish net style shirt with no bra on. Her nipples were sticking out. She said they were jealous because she is so sexy. I'm glad I didn't have to witness that outfit.
They did stop swinging for about 6 months and turned to Jesus when they found out one of their swinging buddies became HIV positive. After they felt safe, they went back to swinging.
When Bedtime for Bonzo - aka Romper Room for Adults becomes a regular habitual game, what happens between you and your spouse in your own bedroom at home?
I don't care what century you're in. I don't know anything about casual sex, but once you've picked out your partner and settled down that kind of thing should be off the table. It's not alright with God, no matter what century it is.
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I think the group you're thinking of is called "lounge lizards"
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i'm sorry for the kids (now adults) who were hurt
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anyone in the 11th wc may remember my "Pubic Speaking" moment dealing with my dad and one of his swinger couples...I long since have forgiven him, however I have also concluded with selfishness many times comes poor judgment.
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Vickles, I guess you are our liberal wild child.
What do you think about orgies?
I find it disgusting
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Vickles I say that to you with a wink and a smile - I am not judging you
WW I do not recall...
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i am not a truely religious
i believe in God,sure i do
and i don't think God believes in swinging
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Yeah Dot....I don't think much or orgies - - in fact they make me sick to my stomach, literally whenever I get those thoughts in my head. They happened in my living room about once or twice a month. And the participants weren't even considerate enough to talk quietly when they came back to my patent's bedroom to collect their clothing and get dressed to go home.
I guess it was when I was around 6 that one Sunday morning I found some "stuff" on the furniture and I asked what it was and my mother cleaned it up pronto and said "nothing"....so then I had creepy feelings about sitting on any of the living room furniture.
Funny (not) thing is, I buried all this so deep that I never remembered it again until I was much older...and it all came flying back in my face. It took a long time to come to terms with it - and I don't think I'm over it now....and I'm 64.
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kryssie, i understand. how awful....
i love you and i'm sorry
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Krys-- I can relate--totally so--, my dad brought in drugs and the whole thing was just scary as hell for this kid and her kid brother. He still justifies things...we don't talk much--I have never let him near my kids except 1x for 2 hours at a Balloon Fiesta here 10 years ago. My kids only now him as the deranged genius that did drug and was hooked on pornography. (He helped Milton Freidman write the book that won him the Nobel Prize for economics)
I suppose people can do this stuff when there are no one they really care about, but to me its the height of selfishness and completely arrogant.
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Ok all, I have to really laugh here because if you truly knew me you would know I'm not a swinger myself.
What I am responding to is if a couple wants to live that life as a swinger and no one gets hurt then who am I to judge?
Now the nude thing I wouldn't mind that. I do love to vaccuum nakee!!!!!
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That book, I believe would be "Free to Choose"... but I never read in THAT book about choosing partners or alternative lifestyles! Yikes! I had a copy for years. Friedman died not to long ago.
I can't imagine... (okay I can IMAGINE it
, but can't see myself anywhere near participating) as it clearly has so many potential pitfalls/negative ramifications to others that it seems totally selfish/narcissistic to justify doing it.
... as Vickles said... I (sometimes) don't mind bein nakee... but can't see subjecting anyone else to having to look at me without clothes. Of course, when I was married, I had no problem with one person in particular seeing... but to others, it probably would qualify as torture!
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I used to attend Bible study fellowships where all the guys and girls kissed each other on the mouth as a greeting.
Does that count?
I haven't had NEAR as many colds since I quit doing that.
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Jerry Seinfeld:
Don't you know what it means to become an orgy guy? It changes
everything. I'd have to dress different. I'd have to act different. I'd have to
grow a mustache and get all kinds of robes and lotions and I'd need a new
bedspread and new curtains I'd have to get thick carpeting and weirdo lighting.
I'd have to get new friends. I'd have to get orgy friends.
... Naw, I'm not ready for it.
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Rocky, it was a book written int he 70's, my dad wrote the 3rd chapter. he's got a cridt in there somewhere, I had a copy at one time, but have since sold it r something
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excathedra
that's "interesting" washington weather
maybe you joined a cult in part like i did, to find a nice father
unfortunately, it turned out to be veepee
ugh
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exxy - that thought has crossed my mind more than many times.
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Dot Matrix
HAHAHAHA
LOL
(((((WW)))))
WW The laugh is for the above post then I added a rply to you and it went directly underneath - I am not laughing at you.
I am offering love...
Vickels a hug to you as well, but only if you are dressed
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Sudo
You folks know I'm from the South,
Do ya'll want to know why proper Southern Belles don't participate in orgies?? Too many thank you notes to write!!
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Sudo -- too funny
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I've never tried it or considered it, and it doesn't seem to appeal to me, generally speaking. But on another level, under perfect circumstances, it sounds kind of good.
Of course there are never perfect circumstances are there! Darn it! So I don't believe it would ever work out for me. And if I were in love with a man, I know I wouldn't even want to do it. But I think a large percentage of men would like to try it at some point; society and wives in general don't support it though, so they never do it.
But no, I don't consider it cheating at all, if it's something the couple agree to do. Unfortunately, it would seem like feelings would always be a problem, for at least one or more of the participants, at some point.
Like lines of emotional intimacy being crossed.
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Ah, but there's the rub!
See, "enlightened modern 21st century adults", as in "the people who always want to excuse any
activity by telling you what year it is", supposedly are able to compartmentalize their
emotions and lives, and pretend there are no consequences so long as nobody gets
a disease and it's all consensual.
Mind you, I think that's self-delusion, and that consequences WILL come back to
haunt them. (Unless this is more the SYMPTOM of some earlier trauma, some coping mechanism,
which would mean they have bigger problems than this.)
I think many ex-twiers are already familiar with what happens when you pretend
emotions can just be switched off. (And some more still think they can switch them
off and everything's just peachy.)
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I worked with a lady who claimed to be a swinger with her husband. Mind you this lady was the ULTIMATE hag!!! Everyone at work couldn't stand her because she was so mean and rude.
I was driving down the road one day and a woman in a ruffly mini skirt, cowboy hat, and short boots caught my peripheral vision. It was the woman who worked with me!! She was at least 55, and had shaggy permed hair which always had at least a 2 inch gray line on top of her head. Did I mention she wore no makeup and thick black rimmed glasses. Yes, she is a real babe!! At her husband thinks so. Good for him!!
She would come to work wearing a moo-moo and thongs thinking she looked nice and acceptable for office attire. Or she would wear an extremely clingy dress made of stretch polyester and platform hooker sandals. This woman had bulges in places that clingy dresses should not hang.
She claimed a guy at the Laughlin River Run was killed becase he was fighting another guy to pick her up for the night. Mind you she is married. She was kicked out of a casino in Laughlin, Nevada, because she was wearing a fish net style shirt with no bra on. Her nipples were sticking out. She said they were jealous because she is so sexy. I'm glad I didn't have to witness that outfit.
They did stop swinging for about 6 months and turned to Jesus when they found out one of their swinging buddies became HIV positive. After they felt safe, they went back to swinging.
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Insanity
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When Bedtime for Bonzo - aka Romper Room for Adults becomes a regular habitual game, what happens between you and your spouse in your own bedroom at home?
I don't care what century you're in. I don't know anything about casual sex, but once you've picked out your partner and settled down that kind of thing should be off the table. It's not alright with God, no matter what century it is.
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excathedra
i just don't like people enough
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