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God bless you  Household of God.  i am LCDIAZ WC 17; 

WHY JUDGE, WHY NOT RESTORE AND FORGIVE AND LOVE AND PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER;

WHY JUDGE:  NO ONE IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD HAS COMMITTED THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN: NOR CAN ANYONE ONE BE KICKED OUT OF THE HOUSHOLD SPIRITUALLY

John 8:7 says...he that is without sin among you cast a stone at her.

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 

Romans 2;1-4;  ..Therefore thou are inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest does the same things.  

2- But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3- And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and does the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4- Or despiest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

RESTORE

Galatians 6:1  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 

FORGIVE

Ephesians 4: 24 And that ye put on the new man. which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.  

                       26 Be ye angry. and sin not:   32- and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

LOVE

1 Peter 4:8  ...for charity(agape) shall cover the multitude of sins..

PRAY

Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints.

Thank you for taking the time to read the Word of God the Father has inspired me to write,   I pray:  He sent his Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destruction.   

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1 hour ago, dkarateka7 said:

Thank you for taking the time to read the Word of God the Father has inspired me to write,   I pray:  He sent his Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destruction.   

Your premise, that what you wrote was specifically the Word of God and was inspired by God the Father, is not provable.

You COULD rephrase your comment to simply call on readers to accept your encouragement absent the arrogant claim that you spoke/wrote God's thoughts.

You could alternatively rephrase your comment as an "I" statement to indicate YOU are/were inspired to write what you wrote, and leave it up to readers to assess the degree of providence the statement might have.

 

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2 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

NO ONE IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD HAS COMMITTED THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN:

Moot point. Wrong administration. Unforgivable sin was TO and FOR the Judean's, remember? What would it matter anyway? Paul said all (without exception or distinction) sin is forgiven. He said God wasn't imputing sin anymore.

2 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

NOR CAN ANYONE ONE BE KICKED OUT OF THE HOUSHOLD SPIRITUALLY

Ask Victor or Loy. Would they agree? Besides, is the Household of God anything other than spiritual? 

 

2 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

John 8:7 says...he that is without sin among you cast a stone at her.

One of the most beautiful stories in all (without exception or distinction) scripture. HOWEVER, it is in the Old Testament. It was instruction TO the Judeans. Got get your TO's and FOR's rightly divided.

 

2 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 

 

Again, Old Testament. Wrong administration. To/For. No one here is a Judean.

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the entire Word of God from genesis to revelation is all given by inspiration of God.  It is His will..  2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.   There fore when you read it   you will get   doctrine (right believing, right teaching)  the reproof and the correction.   Which is the instruction in righteousness, right living;   so whether its OT(for our learning)/or NT or Grace Administration.   It is still God's Word.  The hurt and anger that many of God's beloved, sons and whose hearts were hurt by the adversary using and deceiving  men who are born again of the holy spirit, pneuma hagion or  who are asleep in Christ and who ministered his word  is all forgivable.  THE IDOLATRY OF PREACHING , THE WAY MINISTRY , DR WEIRWILLE THE WAY CORP  THE LEADERSHIP/REVERANDS THE PFAL CLASS, ABOVE THE WORD OF GOD/CHRIST RESURRECTED)  IS THE CAUSE FOR WHAT HAPPEN.   NO ONE STOOD AGAINST THE WILES OF THE DEVIL.    WE PREACH CHRIST RESURRECTED AND NOT OURSLEVES.   2 Corinthians 4:5   For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus our Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus's sake.   I'm glad you know your administrations but the entire word of God, ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHE  so  if you want to know whether what is written or taught is his rightly divided word of truth,  do what i did  i proved God by proving his word in my life.   Prove me here now saith the Lord Malachi 3:10; ...prove me now herewith saith the Lord of Hosts..   And stop trying to tell me about how that inspiration of the holy spirit is not provable  every time i speak in tongue out loud or in my pvt prayer life,  its inspiration.  I suggest you SIT MUCH;  Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14: 18  I thank my God, I speak with tongues more then ye( in the plural) all.   seek those things above....

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Wow. Just… wow…

…The unflinching regurgitation, the reflexive parroting. The utmost manifestation of indoctrination. Evidence of a very soft, conditioned mind.

This is just creepy AF. I need a bath. 

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15 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

 

"God bless you  Household of God.  i am LCDIAZ WC 17; "

[An introduction thread in the introduction forum would have been appropriate for that. Instead, you jumped right here to post this.]

 

"WHY JUDGE, WHY NOT RESTORE AND FORGIVE AND LOVE AND PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER;

WHY JUDGE:  NO ONE IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD HAS COMMITTED THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN: NOR CAN ANYONE ONE BE KICKED OUT OF THE HOUSHOLD SPIRITUALLY"

 

[Who says we didn't pray for her?  Oh, right. You. You declared it by fiat because you don't THINK we did.    For someone who's against people judging, you sure judged US very quickly.  The simple truth is, you're just FINE with judging when it's YOU judging someone who doesn't agree with you, and when it's someone you're kneeling prostrate before, THEN come the pious platitudes about judging. It has all the warmth of the Pharisee who was glad he wasn't the publican he prayed near. 

We are to walk wary, and not allow predators to harm the little ones.  twi did the opposite. You'd know that if you actually spent some time reviewing the horror stories that are many PERSONAL ACCOUNTS of what was done to specific posters.   There are more than enough witnesses who came forward to justify the death penalty, according to the OT.   Certainly that's enough to judge.  So we would put away the evil from ourselves.   They wouldn't be out of "the household spiritually" (or "the houshold spiritually"), but as to that, we can let The Lord handle that part.  We have to deal with the here and now.  And nowhere in the Bible does it say to take someone who spared not the flock, just blow that off, and let them resume harming the flock. But don't let little things like disagreeing with God's Word stop you....]

 

John 8:7 says...he that is without sin among you cast a stone at her.

 

[Thou fool. The CONTEXT was BEING CAUGHT AN ADULTERER. And the woman herself was told to "sin no more."  The adulterers who were not caught in the act were left to their own consciences.]

 

 

"Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. "

 

[I'll let the Holy Ghost deal with that one, since it's not my job anyway.  Just because sin and blasphemy SHALL be forgiven doesn't mean I'm to turn a blind eye to all wrongs.  The Corinthian church was blamed because they didn't pass judgement in house, but rather went to the Romans to judge between them.   You and Paul are saying the opposite of each other. But don't let a little thing like disagreeing with God's Word stop you....]

 

 

"Romans 2;1-4;  ..Therefore thou are inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest does the same things.  

2- But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3- And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and does the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4- Or despiest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?"

 

[You don't even get what you're reading.  Romans 2:2 said the judgement of God Almighty is against them, and of that we are sure.  And you're acting as if we can't use discernment to know what He has judged against (as in the relevant verses in Romans 1 to which this refers.). But don't let a little thing like a lack of understanding stop you from attempting to speak on the behalf of God Almighty.]

 

 

"RESTORE

Galatians 6:1  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. "

 

[God's concept of REPENTANCE is important for forgiveness. Few of the big sinners of twi have stepped forward and actually repented or even made the facade of pretending to repent.  IF they did, we could talk about restoring them in the spirit of meekness.  After all, they would have already humbled themselves before God and before those whom they wronged.   That's easy to understand if you actually read the whole Bible and understand it.  It's not a difficult concept for the AVERAGE Christian.  That you miss this so completely demonstrates a need for remedial training.  You're sub-par for understanding the Bible for the AVERAGE Christian.   It's as someone hand-picked you a few cherry-picked verses, said a few platitudes, and you just came here parroting them with a closed Bible and open mouth.]

 

 

"FORGIVE

Ephesians 4: 24 And that ye put on the new man. which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.  

                       26 Be ye angry. and sin not:   32- and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

LOVE

1 Peter 4:8  ...for charity(agape) shall cover the multitude of sins.."

 

[This is for day-to-day living and forgiving the occasional stumble. It's not a blank check to sin as much as you want to, so that grace may abound much more. God forbid!  It's not an instruction to take those who destroy lives or ruin lives and just wave away their actions- and any consequences- simply because they're "forgiven."]

 

 

"PRAY

Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints."

 

[Praying never hurts.  I recommend praying for some wisdom and understanding. In fact, I already prayed for you. You're welcome.]

 

"Thank you for taking the time to read the Word of God the Father has inspired me to write,   I pray:  He sent his Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destruction.   "

 

[He told me to write that he told you no such thing.  You wrote that of your own volition, and forged His name to your words, and thought we couldn't tell the difference.   It bore all the convincing marks of a real Message From God Almighty that an alleged letter from home would that was signed "Epstein's Mother", with Epstein pretending he didn't write it himself.]

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4 hours ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Wow. Just… wow…

…The unflinching regurgitation, the reflexive parroting. The utmost manifestation of indoctrination. Evidence of a very soft, conditioned mind.

This is just creepy AF. I need a bath. 

[It's almost like someone made a chatbot and loaded it up with twi slogans. This is typical whenever someone just shows up parroting the twi party line.  They have no idea that all they do is convince people that we've all come a very long way from that nonsense, and are glad it isn't US posting like that.]

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9 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

the entire Word of God from genesis to revelation is all given by inspiration of God.  It is His will..  2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.   There fore when you read it   you will get   doctrine (right believing, right teaching)  the reproof and the correction.   Which is the instruction in righteousness, right living;   so whether its OT(for our learning)/or NT or Grace Administration.   It is still God's Word.  The hurt and anger that many of God's beloved, sons and whose hearts were hurt by the adversary using and deceiving  men who are born again of the holy spirit, pneuma hagion or  who are asleep in Christ and who ministered his word  is all forgivable.  THE IDOLATRY OF PREACHING , THE WAY MINISTRY , DR WEIRWILLE THE WAY CORP  THE LEADERSHIP/REVERANDS THE PFAL CLASS, ABOVE THE WORD OF GOD/CHRIST RESURRECTED)  IS THE CAUSE FOR WHAT HAPPEN.   NO ONE STOOD AGAINST THE WILES OF THE DEVIL.    WE PREACH CHRIST RESURRECTED AND NOT OURSLEVES.   2 Corinthians 4:5   For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus our Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus's sake.   I'm glad you know your administrations but the entire word of God, ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHE  so  if you want to know whether what is written or taught is his rightly divided word of truth,  do what i did  i proved God by proving his word in my life.   Prove me here now saith the Lord Malachi 3:10; ...prove me now herewith saith the Lord of Hosts..   And stop trying to tell me about how that inspiration of the holy spirit is not provable  every time i speak in tongue out loud or in my pvt prayer life,  its inspiration.  I suggest you SIT MUCH;  Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14: 18  I thank my God, I speak with tongues more then ye( in the plural) all.   seek those things above....

[A)  Stop posting angry. Posting in a block with poor spelling, poor grammar and no paragraph breaks makes it painful to even TRY to read your posts.

B) Organize your thoughts and post accordingly.  If you have something specific to say, organize a thread for that- rather than rudely hijacking one that had nothing to do with your posts.  Figure out which forum it belongs in so the moderators don't have to move it for you. (If it's specifically about twi, then "About the Way", if it's Doctrinal, either "Matters of Faith" or "Doctrinal" depending in the specifics- read the descriptions of the forums first.) 

C) This whole "none of you understand the Bible so I'm going to tell you like it is" thing is not only useless, it is tiresome.  If that's all you've got, then you might want to just return to whatever echo chamber you're used to.  You're clearly not used to trying to make sense with people who may disagree with you.  Finally, you objected to things people here didn't even say to you.  Don't lash out at people for what they MIGHT post, or what they MIGHT think while trying to read your posts, it looks very juvenile. You're obviously boxing about your weight-class here, but that's your business.

D) If you're going to try to communicate on message boards, you might consider the extra step of organizing your thoughts first.  Type them out in a text editor, let it spell-check for you,  look them over, rephrase what can be said better, remove what doesn't make sense, and so on.  You'll at least look smarter, and people will be more likely to read your posts than if you, say, mash them all together into one block then congratulate yourself for having hit "submit reply."]

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Thank you for your thoughts and praying for me.   I call God as witness. The Word of God needs no defense.  like Paul wrote in Acts ..I believe GOD. Like Mary responded to the Angel in Luke   ..be it onto me according to thy word  and Like Paul wrote in Hebrews 11:1  believing is the title deed of things prayed for the  evidence they are your before they are seen.  Therefore I stand on what I shared the word  of God is Perfect  no good thing dwelleth in me  as Paul wrote.

I stand approved to God by  rightly divining the word of truth.  I see the word I shared has had its effect.  As a son of God, the beloved of the lord, I will not allow the adversary to accuse  the born again believers, the Household of God, the righteous of the the Elohim.  The word tells me to shut the mouths of the subverters.   Yes  believers were hurt,  but God  admonished the Corinthian Church for their schism.  We which are spiritual  are to restore in the spirit of meekness  the brother in a fault not bury them in their fault.   I resigned from they way international, because of the  Idolatry  and great  hurt to  the way corps,   being marked and avoided and the Household being put under the yoke of bondage by legalism.  But i did not resign from my vow of giving myself to a life time of Christians service. I serve  the Elohim, the Creator, The Father, the True and Living God and Father or our Lord Jesus Christ.  The Justice and Judgment of God was manifested to those who sinned.   

 We are to love one another period.   We are to stand against the wiles of the devil.  We are to keep the unity of Spirit in the bond of peace. We are to walk in love  light and circumspectly.  We are to live in the  Grace,  Peace, and Mercy of God.

We are to forget those things which are behind and press  toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.   We are to Love and Forgive as God has forgiven us in Christ Jesus.  Love is the fulfilling of the law.   When we begin and continue to walk and live like this we continue to mature in Christ.   I pray that my brother in Christ(LCM)  has confessed his broken fellowship and and walks in great love to ask for forgiveness.  That will bring great joy to the Father and the Household. 

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1 hour ago, dkarateka7 said:

I stand approved to God by  rightly divining the word of truth. 

Doubt you could make a more presidential-like gaffe than that... 

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I believe the word of God therefore i speak the word of God.   Titles, worldly positions.  education. accomplishments, status, mean nothing to me.       I do not speak for nor represent  the way international nor for  the way corps nor any other believer   I speak of My God ..  as I am today  freely to speak His Word to plant and water and and watch God give the increase.  But  i rather  preach Christ resurrected then talk worldly topics.   When i speak the word, God  will  accomplish what God sent it to do. 

 Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.  9 For as the heavens are higher then the earth, so are my ways higher then your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.  11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it will accomplish that which I please, and shall prosper in the thing whereto i send it. 

The Household of God  is not a worldly corporation nor a man made religion nor does it have a president vice president or secretary  or any corporate officers.  Its made up of all the born again believers from acts 2:4 to the present  and until the Hope of the return of Christ.  So please address me as a son of God,  that is what  God calls me.  thank you for your thoughts  TLC

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58 minutes ago, dkarateka7 said:

thank you for your thoughts  TLC

Why bother?  Evidently what i said flew so far and so fast over your head, you never heard the sonic boom of it passing by... 

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1 hour ago, dkarateka7 said:

I believe the word of God therefore i speak the word of God.

speaking the word of god is not quoting scripture, copying what has already been said

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Thank you cman for your thoughts.  My reply to your thoughts cman.     Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, it is written, that  man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of God   The word of God  is an eternal now.  

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ask the Father    i do my best to walk in love walk in light and walk circumspect    when i  dont i confess my broken fellowship,   i ask for forgiveness and restore my fellowship. and move on  im not perfect  

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"Eternal Now is a concept of time perception suggested by some proponents of New Age spirituality.[1] Its characteristics vary from increased awareness of the present moment to a broader, more open and holistic perception of one's subjective past and potential variants of future. The concept is consonant with and constitutes an integration and development of a number of approaches to spiritual alertness and totality of perception advocated by various forms of Buddhist philosophy (in particular Zen Buddhism) [citation needed], Shamanic practices, and other philosophical and spiritual directions, both ancient and contemporary." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Now_(New_Age)
 

 

My fellowship commander would misapply this concept, as well. He said victor coined the term, but, of course, victor did no such thing.

If the word of god is an eternal now, then it's not the Bible or any version of the Bible, nor interpretation nor class nor Paul.

 

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