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5 pages in and we havent even discussed the Canon in any meaningful manner

You're already out in left feild. You don't know whether or not the passage was written in Aramaic, yet you want to use Aramaic to translate what it says. I wonder what "cloak" means in Klingon?

I read them. They say nothing about how the Bible was put together. What do you beleeve they say about making a Bible?

Okay this is actually a longer piece but this guy has very logical mainstream Christianity perspectives on handling the Way. He is spot on in pinpointing Vic’s textual errors and shoddy scriptural workmanship. He presents maybe the best logical case on mainstream trinity views I’ve heard. He is doing this as a series so the introduction pieces are good on cults. He handles each one in depth. Im listening to the other ones in the series now.

VPW may not have taught specifically on the canon, but he used its chronological sequencing extensively to push his agenda. The administration demarcations, doctrine/reproof/correction epistles having to appear in a specific order, to whom it was written, etc. These concepts all rely heavily on an exacting sequence of canon. But, the sequencing and interpretation of its importance is a man made reality, devised to promote various agendas. This is why chronology and source of origin can not be lightly ignored.

Sorry to inform you but the title of this thread is The New Testament Canon – you can check out the starter post – here “I'd rather discuss the scripture references that I found in my 10 year search for canon info.” You see Mike, the definition of canon has nothing to do with scripture references. Canon = an accepted rule or guide about how people should behave or about how something should be done. A canon is also a religious rule put in place by someone of authority. In the Roman Catholic Church, for example, rules approved by the pope are considered canon. The body of all the religious laws is also called a canon. The word canon is also used in religious contexts to specify which pieces of writing a person or group has determined are officially part of the teachings and religion. "Canon" originally has religious connotations, where it basically means "official." So canon texts are the authoritative books that a person or group has decided upon that make up the Bible…in all the definitions of canon it revolves around a group…a person…who decides what is accepted…it has nothing to do with the Bible itself or what any book claims within its own pages - it has to do with the criteria a person or group uses to determine what's in the canon - what is accepted as OFFICIAL As Wikipedia states - Various biblical canons have developed through debate and agreement on the part of the religious authorities of their respective faiths and denominations. from Wikipedia: Biblical canon guess you didn’t check out the hyperlinks I gave on dating the Bible and canon of the Bible…oh well to reiterate...this thread is NOT about verses on the topic The New Testament Canon on a side note - I love exploring religious texts and not afraid to think outside the box of canon - you might want to explore this baby - The Encyclopedia of Lost and Rejected Scriptures: The Pseudepigrapha and Apocrypha

HERE is an interesting youtube from the "Who Wrote The Bible?" series that deals with the origin and chronology of the gospels. The episodes that precede it deal with the old testament, while the episodes that follow it deal with the epistles, as well as Daniel and Revelation.

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Praise the Lord, since I've been self-employed I am able to earn more than enough to support myself. And with my spare cash, when I go food shopping, I buy extra items and donate those to Foodbank to help those who are strapped for cash. With the huge surge in prices of gas (for cooking and heating), electricity, and petrol (for cars, what US calls gas), together with most other items increasing in price (think kids' clothes and shoes), life has become very difficult for some at the bottom of the payscale or on state benefits. It's heat or eat, for some.

Good movie, Spotlight. Been a while since I saw it, but I remember a lot from it. It's not just RC that this affects. In the UK, Methodists and Anglicans alike are upping their safeguarding practices to keep vulnerable people safe. And employees and volunteers in the church (and many other organisations) for people-facing roles where they might come into contact with vulnerables now have to be checked by the police Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS), which discloses not just convictions but also intel that doesn't go to conviction but can form a wider picture of a checked person's background. (DBS sounds a bit "police state" but it isn't intended as such. It came out from the horrific murders of two 10 year old schoolgirls, in a quiet country village. They'd passed by the school caretaker's house and, of course, they knew him. He lured them into the house, killed them and hid them in a ditch a few miles away. Turns out there had been suspicions about him, about rape or other unwanted sexual behaviour, not sufficient for charges to be laid, but enough to warrant a cautious eye being kept on the perpetrator. And nobody knew because he moved to a different area, different police force. Google "Soham murders" if you want to follow up. The new DBS procedure allows that suspicion to be recorded for potential employers to check.) My friend is the Safeguarding Officer for the biggest church in the city, has been for nearly two decades, and works in close contact with the diocese where there are issues. He's been told that there are about 6% abusers of various types out there in the population - which means, in a church with an electoral role of say 3-400, there could be quite a number of undesirables in the place. The church will accept them (Christ forgave sinners!) - but with very strict conditions, depending on the type of abuse it was. Might often mean that the offender has to have a nominated person chaperone them at all times. If it's a clergy member who has fallen in this way (and that definitely includes inappropriate sexual activity with a member of the congregation - including "willing" adults - a clergyman with a woman in his church), the offender will be removed from duty, face disciplinary action from the diocese, and, pending outcomes, may be put on "garden leave" on full pay, or moved to a non-contact role in some dusty dungeon of a library (say).

I’m with you on this…I no longer entertain the bizarre contradictory pseudo-science speculations of wierwille…consider the following wierwille- theories along with some counterarguments I’ve thrown in the mix: 1. Life is in the blood…God breathed into man’s nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul… so which is it? Is the “lifeforce” (?) in the blood or in the breath? 2. Adam and Eve were originally formed, made, and created as body, soul and spirit…the body is made of matter. What is the soul made of? What is the spirit made of? how is soul different from spirit? 3. If breathing is a bodily function (see point 1 & 2 ) then would a more accurate concept of human beings be a dichotomy? Humans are just body and soul – whatever “soul” is. 4. When Adam and Eve sinned, their spirit died…they were just reduced to body and soul…they no longer had the image and likeness of God…there are several passages of Scripture written after Genesis 3 that suggest humans still retain God’s image – even though now through sin it is a tarnished image if you will – verses like Genesis 9:6 and James 3:9 5. Is it possible to speculate on what the resurrected body of Jesus Christ is like? Sure ! But that doesn’t prove anything – and doesn’t settle anything since it’s all based on conjecture. I read a fascinating book by an astrophysicist Beyond the Cosmos: The Tridimensionality Of God by Hugh Ross and in it the author gets into superstring theory and other dimensions. Maybe there’s something to it – maybe not. Observation and experimentation of the scientific method as far as I know so far are incapable of analyzing the extra-dimensions of superstring theory and for that matter - - anything in the spiritual realm – whatever that is. 6. I Corinthians 15 tells us things are going to change but it doesn’t give a scientific textbook version of it: But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor. 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man. 50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.