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If they still need help with that witnessing card, maybe I can give a hand... 1.Frustrated making decisions for yourself? 2.Want to feel superior to all others (except your leadership)? 3.Too much time on your hands? 4.Tired of spending time with your family? 5. Not sure what to do with those pesky leftover dollars? 6. Longing for a mind-fark? 7. Hankering to follow a crusty-twatted old witch and her team of flying monkeys? 8. Want to witness a mighty grab for power when they put the C-T O W in the ground? Anyone else care to help?

Friends, that's exactly right. Absolutely! Gotta pray for these guys, the BoD, your TWI leadership at all levels, etc. Wassmatter, didn't you ever read this verse? And who persecuted you more than the (TWI) household of God, and the leadership of TWI? <_<

Oh, it wasn't a sincere question? Sounded like one to me. Silly me....I must have answered sarcasm. Please continue littering up the place yourself. The last and only time I started a thread was months ago. Carry on.Church/ Christians....crazy thought on my part.

One of my writing assignments at HQ was to write benefits for a new witnessing card to be used sort of like the old green card was--you know, the one that listed the class benefits (makes life meaningful, promotes harmony in the home, etc.). So I drew up a list of 20 or 30 positive things that the ministry claims to provide for people through its teachings. After revising and whittling it down, I ended up with a list of 8 or so short simple benefits. The funny thing was that all of us who reviewed this list said that we wanted this kind of life--and we were all Way Corps on staff who were supposed to have these things (such as "redirects to a positive lifestyle"). After this was submitted to the Queen, she shot it down and said that we can't make such claims. Afraid of another lawsuit maybe...?

The only thing I thought of when I say this topic was..The word didn't cost me anything, but it cost God his son. Honestly if you are looking at your walk with God in terms of cost, you're look at the wrong thing.

9. Do you love clean toilets? And are you willing to work on the cheap to keep them that way?

I pray for the "household of God" first and foremost - to have eyes to see and ears to hear to break free from the bondage that holds them in a cult.

The way I feel about that is they don't own the city you live in. If they don't like it they can leave. If they harass me or my family I'll get a restraining order. There is no possible way I'm going to let those clowns intimidate me to the point that I'd consider moving. They are the ones that are deluded, so let them be the ones that are intimidated.

We left of course long before LCM got really rolling, but we left in the middle of the night, and we spent the next few days on the road, literally terrified that GOD would strike us dead for leaving the ministry..this was in 83 by the way... What kind of Ministry teaches you to be terrified of GOD, and that God would be so angry at us he would kill us for not being part of that ministry? The most evil vile kind. And before you say it, now, I wondser how I could have bought into that? But when that is what you are hearing,constantly, how could you not buy into it? Free to be me should be my new moto LOL! Once we left we just had a regular life, we are blessed and have been very happy, We have two beautiful successful Daughters we have our own home and we have fun together, and all out side the Way Ministry. I never regret leaving and honostly, coming to Greasespot has helped me to see just how evil The Way International really is. Edited to fix some of my errors(commas are so important) and to add Hubby was Corps and I was in charge of Childrens fellowship.. Not big wigs but leasreship none the less.

Oh yeah, lcm was so much into "the household" that everything he did was about people getting into TWI and staying in TWI. You had to stand, and you had to stand with him. Everything was so slanted toward "the household," and "the household" was always the Way, the whole Way, and nothing but the Way. Aside from that, aren't prayers in TWI just another form of "our father who art in heaven"? At the time Jesus taught it, it was a personal, humble prayer between a single individual and his heavenly father. Then of course every church prays it so it becomes meaningless ritual. Kinda like "thank you father for the household of God. Thank you father for the board of directors. Thank you father for TWI. Thank you father for bringing me laryngitis just so I don't have to pray this stupid meaningless heartless prayer in front of everyone to look good in the eyes of 'the household' anymore." Rosie made a prayer room in the OSC a few years ago, and we printed some new "lift lists" for this room. Of course, we had to go back to the lift lists of the 70s because she's all about resurrecting VeePee's teachings and creating everything anew in his image, possibly in the hopes that we can just forget about the great torturer of the 1990s, or possibly in the hopes that the reincarnated VP will actually be idolized even more so than the on that lived in the 70s (because he's not around to drink and screw anymore?). So those lift lists started with God, then second was You, then a few lines like Your Job, Your Family, etc., then we got on to the more important matters that filled the entire page: Board of Directors, then each name of the directors and the whole "trustee household", then ministry stuff like HQ, Gunnison, Way Corps, Way classes, AC specials, yada yada yada. Way everything. Maybe if our minds and hearts were more on "the things of others" like the Bible says, then God could have added more "others" to the household. Or, maybe He does and the household isn't TWI???

Oh, I'm sure the local brainwashed idiots have been told enough lies about me that they would freeze up like bad pipes in Minnesota in winter if they ever ran into me. I've actually heard some of the lies repeated to me. They're hilarious! And actually that's where those dumb-@$$ leaders better watch their P's and Q's because some of those things are legally actionable as libel if I didn't have too much of a life to waste it pursuing after Rosie the Riveter and her closely guarded stash of wealth. I'll just bide my time and have a grand old time watching these people answer for their actions at the bema or wherever it is that God who is just will require answers for actions in the next heavens and earth.

Not everything TWI taught was wrong or bad. In fact, I would say they had a lot of principals for living a good and decent life right. Where they really, really blew it was in how they applied those principals, in how rigid they became. For instance, take the law of believing. The basic concept isn't bad. There is nothing wrong with picturing yourself accomplishing something and then taking action to meet that goal. However, there is something very wrong with condemning someone for no "believing big enough" to get healed without the help of a doctor. Speaking in tongues. Well, basically harmless as long as it isn't interfering with your ability to function in life. Personally, I no longer pratice it and I am not convinvced it is genuine, but still . . . harmless if it isn't hurting anything or anyone. So, some find their way to new churches. Some become agnostic, some athiest. Some re-research what they were taught, keep some things and toss others.

Now remember, you can't listen to this video by yourself. It just wouldn't be a very church-like thing to do.

Yes, I litter up the About the Way section with topics....you guessed it, you rocket scientist you......here comes......About the Way. Even though this thread ties in somewhat. It's now pretty much an extension of the Jim Doop fiasco. Anything else you have to say, just consider it you having the last word. I am done, again. Except I mean it now... I really mean this. I respect you and your right to "church" wherever and with whomever you wish. I also wish you all the best. God Bless.

I was talking to someone about this today here.....the idea of an overseer. It may somewhat sound like TWI I guess.....but, when someone does it right....it is nothing of the kind. When someone Pastors another, with accountability to the Lord, with genuine love in their hearts, and with right understanding of boundaries and position. It is nothing like TWI. It is really a nice thing to have a Pastor to turn to when you need one. One that really cares about you, but appropriately. The music? We can't all pick it. My friends love this weird country gospel junk....no way. Others like hymns....some like Contemporary. Usually, the people who play the music, pick what they play, and then we sing a few hymns. We usually get to them all and if one is really burning on your heart....you mention it and we sing it. Since my kid is in the praise band....I have a say. No one complains....we are thankful for the talent we have and we enjoy it. We sing and praise with them They are a praise band. We don't really go witnessing. We are a witness to our community by how we reach out, offer help, and participate. Fund raising is usually planned by those raising funds for something. My kid is involved in a car wash every week, but they plan it themselves.....usually for missions trips. They put on dinners themselves and we all go and eat and have fun. Sometimes they have a breakfast....but, it is the people who need the money, who plan and raise it. My kid brought a well known Christian author to town....all the churches got together and chipped in....we all loved it. They have a local Christian radio station run from a church basement.....if you have an idea for a show....you write up a proposal and will probably be on air the next week. Sunday Service is pretty decently and in order. On Sundays one of the trained Pastors or elders share the message. Not everyone gets up to teach, but then again, not everyone is a teacher. On Wednesdays.....anyone who wants to share can share....we all wait until everyone who likes....has a chance to speak. We have a diverse congregation, but we do have a statement of beliefs. You don't have to believe them to go to our church, but all in all....that is why people go to that and other churches....that is what they believe. Trust and Obey, my Pastor sees me coming a mile away and smiles....because he knows...I am going to ask some tough questions. He loves it. On occasion....I have been right. He is a humble and meek man. Not anything like the people we ran into in TWI. I have met a few icky pastors, but not many. When I meet one who is remotely like a typical TWIer...I run to the exit. Church is a nice place that we all choose to go....because as Christians we desire and need each other....we don't have to do it alone.

I didn't say they were just buildings....churches often meet in church buildings. Built and set aside for that purpose, just like the temple. Where else do you all meet? Can someone tell me where these other churches are that meet together? Bodies of believers choosing to come together and commit to one another in love of Him? The places people are talking about that don't restrict the gathering of saints for prayer, worship, and accountability....with an overseer as mentioned in Timothy....elders.....where are you all going to gather together and encourage and provoke one another? Where do you all assemble. You can't assemble together with all Christians everywhere....and you must want to gather together and be with each other often. Christians love one another.....esteem each other? No? Desire fellowship around the Lord? What is the address, I will pop in... :)

Whoa.....wait a second here....it is wrong because men seek structure in serving God? No it isn't. They are still seeking to serve God....it doesn't mean you are following men. The structure of a Sunday Service serves a purpose....it is not wrong in and of itself....it is how we come together. It can be beautiful and full of worship......songs sung to the Lord....prayer ....giving to the needs of others.....it requires some structure. I really do NOT get the problem you guys have with churches. Trust and Obey, Denominations actually serve a purpose. Maybe they are not as divisive as you believe. Consider the church at Jerusalem and James and then the church at Corinth. The focus was different. One was a very poor church, very stern, the other prosperous and a bit wild but highly gifted. Different focus doesn't always mean a bad thing. People require different things. It is when we begin to deny certain basic tenets of our faith in the Lord...we get into trouble.

It was directed at me Gen-2....sorry you got caught in the fray. I am not going to derail this thread by responding or defending what I said. But, it was not you he was taking a swipe at...it was me.