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Well, we're having a blustery time of it. Storm Ellen on Sunday or was it Monday, and Storm Francis today. Probably not as bad as you suffer in the southern US, but dangerous in the coastal areas, tall lorries (trucks) blown over, and the Severn roadbridge closed to all traffic (the Severn estuary is a notorious windfunnel). No rain yet (in my area); my mum had flooding under her front door (lives 130 miles away). Apparently just been upgraded to "danger to life" status. A storm last week caused a landslip in Scotland which unfortunately a train ran into, derailed all parts of the train (only 6 carriages) and the motor unit burst into flames, 3 people killed, others injured - happily only 9 people aboard the train at the time.

It's an interesting point you raise, JJ. There is a place for "tough love" and sometimes it can be loving to leave someone to take the consequences of wrong actions. BUT in TWI it was constant "tough love," constant "vigilance" for "spiritual errors" in the fantasy world that was HQ. Doncha love the way that you could get a face-melting from - well, I got several from LCM, who was a master at it (the manipulative b@st@rd) - and then, shortly afterwards, you'd get a visit from a Corps bro or sis, who was sent lovingly to see that you were all right. In reality, I think this checker-upper person was probably a spy to see that you weren't "harbouring a grudge" or preparing to do anything that might reflect badly on TWI, like mouthing off to other Corps members or to friends and family. TWI was very keen on spying on the in-rez Corps. Just keeping a spiritual check on them, no doubt they'd say. No. Frikkin' spying.

PATIENT Quick to find fault KIND Aggressive DOES NOT ENVY Always trying to do one better, esp better than Christian churches DOES NOT BOAST Knows the WoG as it hasn’t been known since the 1st century IS NOT PROUD Never does anything wrong NOT RUDE Foul-mouthed NOT SELF SEEKING Always self-promoting NOT EASILY ANGERED Angry at the slightest mistake; sustained slow-burn rage KEEPS NO RECORD OF WRONGS. Has a file of all sorts of supposed misdemeanours DOES NOT DELIGHT IT EVIL, Full of “spiritual suspicion” BUT REJOICES WITH THE TRUTH Slanders its own followers

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A day of celebration in the UK and commonwealth, of the end of hostilities in the east. It's not a public holiday, but there are always commemorations, parades, and the laying of wreaths. There are different celebrations in the US. Extract from Wikipedia about VJ Day Victory over Japan Day (also known as V-J Day, Victory in the Pacific Day, or V-P Day[1]) is the day on which Imperial Japan surrendered in World War II, in effect bringing the war to an end. The term has been applied to both of the days on which the initial announcement of Japan's surrender was made – August 15, 1945, in Japan, and because of time zone differences, August 14, 1945 (when it was announced in the United States and the rest of the Americas and Eastern Pacific Islands) – as well as to September 2, 1945, when the surrender document was signed, officially ending World War II. August 15 is the official V-J Day for the United Kingdom, while the official US commemoration is September 2.[2] The name, V-J Day, had been selected by the Allies after they named V-E Day for the victory in Europe. On September 2, 1945, a formal surrender ceremony was performed in Tokyo Bay, Japan, aboard the battleship USS Missouri. In Japan, August 15 usually is known as the "memorial day for the end of the war" Extract from Wikipedia about "Victory Day" (USA) Victory Day is a holiday observed in the United States state of Rhode Island with state offices closed on the second Monday of August. Furthermore, in 2017, WPRI-TV claimed that Arkansas and Rhode Island were the only two states to ever celebrate the holiday, though Arkansas's name for the holiday was "World War II Memorial Day."[1] Originally, the official name was "Victory over Japan Day" and "V-J Day", as proclaimed by then President Harry S. Truman and was officially observed on September 2 nationwide. At some point, the name was changed to "Victory Day" in light of the modern post-war Japan emerging in economic importance. Further name changes were attempted later, but were unsuccessful, at which point, the name "Victory Day" remained the official name. The holiday celebrates the conclusion of World War II and is related to Victory over Japan Day in the United Kingdom. Rhode Island retains the holiday in tribute to the disproportionate number of sailors it sent and lost in the Pacific front.[3] In 2015, the Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama honored 500 veterans on the 70th anniversary of the end of the war.[4 Whatever day you choose, do remember the "Forgotten Army" and the huge cost in lives for the men who were captured and held in the east, notably Burma (Bridge over river Kwai country), where conditions were worse than atrocious. It's 75 years ago now, before most (all?) of us were born. We still benefit from what they did. And remember the families of men lost, killed, maimed or otherwise damaged, are still around: women who lost spouses, children who lost fathers. War is a horrible thing.

That's funny, Outie. Good for your bro and SiL.

You don't have pantomime season in the US? It's mad, bizarre, crazy, and completely over the top. Let your inhibitions go, and enjoy a laugh at theatre in the insane. The season is December-January, sometimes early Feb (at least, it used to be, prior to CoVid-19) (who knows what'll happen to live entertainment now). If we have a panto season this year, though, I'm sure there'll be lots of topical references to coronavirus - maybe that'll be the "it's behind you!" lurker. Yep, the panto nasty, felled by the pantomime dame (a male in female dress-up) or the principal boy (a youngish female in male attire). Hmm, yes. I can see it now. Panto best undertaken with a small child or two. And possibly a comfortable quantity of alcohol (please drink responsibly).

Oh no it isn't! Oh no it isn't! Watch out! It's behind youuuuu! (Okay. So it is a bit early for panto season. Just practisin')

Maybe they think they've "won at life," with having ripped off believers worldwide for lots of dosh, amassed to their own comfort and never distributed for what the donors thought it would be used for. Nice places to live, nice campuses, nice grounds for personal use, vehicles (such a shame they had to lose the private jet), swimming pools, quiet location, army of slaves - sorry, staff on minimum wage - to service grounds, vehicles, buildings - and that's without the other aspects of "servicing" that we know about. Law of thieving more than law of believing. So, yeah! they've won at life. If you count that, as winning.

What's this "How to win at life"? Life isn't a game where one wins and everyone else loses. Life's more about being successful (perhaps "content" would be a better word) in "being oneself" and "being a valued member of the community." "Godliness with contentment is great gain." 1 Tim 6:6-11. Here's what "winning" is: righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

Oh yeah. "Spiritual probation." Forgot about that. (Chapter and verse, please?? )

Here's some things that scripture says: Is 1:18 - “Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. Prov 11:4 and 24:6 both tell us that there is "safety in a multitude of counsellors" And we can consider the lives of prophets and evangelisers as set out in the Bible. Some talked/consulted with others; some others just went their own way - and maybe got into trouble. I think there's a time for "first thought" - for example, in extreme danger - but mostly, almost always, there's considered thought and discussion with others whose views can be respected. Those others may or may not be Christians; if so, may or may not be Christian leadership. God gave us brains to think with, "common sense" to help us, and gave us other people that we can talk ("reason") with; and where there is no-one else to talk to, he gave a book full of examples of "how to do" and "how not to do," to help guide our thinking. And, of course, TWI squashed any kind of "first thought" by compelling obedience to leaders in all capacities - even one's unqualified twig leader, who of course had to defer upwards, and so on. If you didn't follow your twig leader's pronouncement and things went pear-shaped, it was your fault for doing your own thing and not listening to God. If you didn't follow your twig leader's pronouncement and things went well, there was no "credit" anywhere. I think this got worse as TWI got more erratic. In the LCM era, it was a real lockstep approach.

As a former lawyer, and occasionally I did a bit of work in matrimonial matters, I never really "got" abusive couple relationships and why one would keep returning to the abusive partner time after time. I knew the "theory" (if you like); but I didn't understand the gradual erosion of boundaries. "If he keeps hitting you like that - just leave!" Later, processing my experiences post-Way, ah! then I "got" it. Emotionally. Whole different picture then.

They go well on a woodburner or bonfire, too!

There are plenty of threads on the failure at Gartmore already in the Cafe's archives. Try the search box above. WordWolf has picked up a few. I was there. The enthusiasm of European believers was enormous. Beautiful place, a bit run down, but workable. Lots and lots of time and energy given freely by believers. Working parties coming hundreds of miles at weekends to help. But their enthusiasm and willingness were no match for Geer's ego. He had to do everything himself, and ran off those with energy, skills, ability, so that he could downplay their contribution and say he'd had to do it all himself. I was also at HQ in Ohio working in the International Outreach and Legal Depts, when they shut down Geer and made him return all the PFAL materials. That didn't matter too much to Geer, as by that time, he'd cribbed what he wanted and was busy preparing his own foundational class. This is a bit "off topic" for Vern Edwards. I don't think there are any more properties or campuses to fight over, except for Gunnison, which has now pretty much become the summer holiday retirement home complex of favored older staff. Maybe he should consider selling that off to a real holiday resort group. Beautiful place.

(If it is in fact the same Robert McCulloch. It's possible there are other men with this name, though McCulloch as a surname probably isn't that common.)

Igt was always supposed to be 4 years; apprentice year (working with your local leadership); 1 yr in rez (younger Corps); interim year (on the field, in a different area probably, and trying to get PFAL classes together); and final year (elder Corps), where you helped and guided younger Corps. The thought of being assigned to work at HQ after graduation I found absolutely terrifying. And an interim year at HQ - glad that wasn't an option for me. As international Corps, though, I had to do two years back to back then a year on the field in my home country.

Very interesting. Imagine if such a fellow had fallen into the hands of TWI. His faith would quickly have been squashed under their legalism. However, having assisted his escape once, It's certain God would assist him in escaping again. It's a question worth asking ourselves. How far are we really ready to go, for our faith? What are we really ready to do?

I found this about Rosie. Can't speak for its accuracy. https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1589401 Relevant bit reads: Rivenbark is a graduate of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte and received a master's degree in English from Appalachian State University ref|sidney1. Prior to her work at The Way International, she worked in the field of education and taught at the elementary, high school, and college levelsref|sidney1.

Knowles method of breathing? They did have a time of "teaching" us to breathe - something like, inhale for 7 seconds, hold breath for 5 seconds, exhale for 10 sec, or something similar (timings might well be wrong). I note from a look at a document on Knowles breathing (put out by Liberating Ministries for Christ, whoever that/they are) and that slow inhale, hold, slower exhale is actually the 6th of 6 exercises, and only to be done after other muscles in the chest have been strengthened by other exercises. Anyway, here's another effort at plagiarism. Note the names of the "authors." (You can also get this book as a free Google dox download). It appears to have been sold in TWI's bookstore at one time. Probably a "required reading" book that they could scam more money from. https://www.amazon.ae/Knowles-Method-Breath-Training/dp/1481209965 It seems also to be promoted by various splinter groups - Eternally Blessed, for one. That guy had some dealings with the cafe a while back but doesn't post here any more, as far as I'm aware. But the original appears to be a book called "New Life through Breathing" and several people have republished it, with their own forewords so presumably it's something else that's out of copyright that that thief VPW stole/attributed to his own workmanship. https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30450584346&searchurl=an%3Dwilliam%2Bknowles%26sortby%3D20%26tn%3Dnew%2Blife%2Bbreathing&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1 Here's a free document if anybody's interested: https://lmci.org/BreathingForLife-PDF.pdf

Do you ever wonder whether RFR and others ever ponder why they are so unpopular? Why nobody really liked RFR (supposing she had enough awareness to know she wasn't liked)? No doubt they'd say it was because of their "stand on the Word" (gag!) - an excellent catch-all when making an unpopular move - but do you suppose in their inner heart they know they're thuggish and bullying and too demanding? Sure, there's no "exit interviews" but enough outgoing clergy and WC have made their thoughts known (viz, the R&R letter, only one of many). The BoD can't be so unaware ... can they?

Never heard this one, Allan. But if it's something promoted by VPW, I wonder if the "African" arrived during a snowstorm at a gas station in Ohio?

I read the online version. So hard to grasp that such should happen. Such cruelty - and yet occasional great moments of compassion and kindness between father and son. And other moments of hideous greed. I too wished that it would be a different ending... so sad that Eliezer and his father were parted, at (as it were) one minute to midnight - just before their release. And yet this sad story is just one of - of millions.

I don't think it was to do with any particular calling - like being really good at pastoral care! - more with biddability and willingness to toe the party line. Think of "Rev" as being a synonym for "manager" or "officer in charge" rather than a recognition of their spirituality.