Twinky

Donna - a puppet on a string.

I've just started reading this. I'm struck by (chapter 1) how Moishe the Beadle escaped being murdered and got back to the village to tell all exactly what was happening. Nobody believed him. Nobody thought such horrific treatment could be true. I'm struck by the fact that there were many who warned us that TWI wasn't a safe place to be. "It's a cult. It's not good Bible teaching." Did we listen? No, we continued, thinking all was well and would be well. We ploughed on into our own wonderland that became increasingly horrific year after year. And now, we who have escaped on our own or in droves - are not believed, not listened to, are mocked, by those who choose to remain. Bold speakers like Moishe the Beadle, and some of the people here - and of course many of the OT prophets - have ever been ignored and told that the bad thing foretold isn't going to happen.

Welcome at last, RedSpringTulips. It's nice you've been a secret follower but have now decided to draw up a seat and sit with us. Have a cup of coffee or tea (or even a beer) and a cake. Put your feet up and enjoy the banter.

I'm wondering if she sees that the WC is so small, and numbers continue to fall, and she doesn't want to be the one left holding the parcel when the entire shebang finally collapses. Then, she can blame the ultimate failure on somebody else. I don't doubt that in leaving the Prez-ship or whatever she called herself, that she negotiated a good exit package. Rather than a regular weekly or monthly pension, maybe she negotiated a biiig lump sum, which couldn't be clawed back from any assets that will have to be distributed if TWI is wound up. You can be sure she didn't leave empty-handed, like so many other staff who were kicked out with nothing.

Play nice, people. Everyone.

Hmm, @Allan A handful of Jews also managed to escape to Australia, because that country was slow and reluctant to accept what was staring it in the face. "....By the outbreak of World War II in September 1939, more than 7,000 Jewish refugees [who classed as "enemy aliens"] had arrived in Australia....Altogether, 8,200 Jewish refugees reached Australia between 1933 and 1945..." The document doesn't say where these people came from, whether Germany, Austria, Poland, Holland or any other country. Extract from this short document: https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft Word - 5787.pdf

Well, it's said that the first 100 days is the most important in any new administration/corporate changeover, etc. Not quite sure when Vern was installed as Prez, but by 1 May he was writing a Prez's blog. So, as of now, he's at least 66 days in. In his own words, his manifesto is: "...This was the heart of our Founding President, Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille, and it is still the model for leaders in The Way Ministry today. My goal is to minister and to serve you the most valuable thing available on the face of the earth, the rightly divided Word of God. [as set in the VPW model]."...I am excited to lead our Biblical research, teaching, and fellowship ministry as we endeavor to move in the direction of God’s omniscient guidance. Together we can kindle our passion and zeal and strengthen our firm commitment to see God’s glory and power manifested in our lives; we can take that Word which prevails in our hearts and move it to the world!" That's some excellent Way-speak. Just take a look at the jargon and buzz-words. Here's his statement in full: https://www.theway.org/blog/a-sharing-from-our-new-president/ Doesn't look like much choice under Skyrider's two alternatives: 1) Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results [known commonly as insanity] or 2) Have the fortitude to make the hard decisions that challenge the status quo and everything that you've been doing the past 30 years that twi claimed were "doing the Word." Of course, Vern isn't limited by Sky's reductions. Vern might have some "third way" or even "fourth way."

Now that'd be nice to know.

And go and visit some of the cities in Europe that were emptied of their Jewish populations. See where they were forced to live, work. See the lists of names in the remains of synagogues; and the records in other locations.

There is a small number of survivors still alive, and some have written books. Others have died in the last decade or two. There's talk of 6 million people of Jewish extraction. There are also millions more of other groups: gypsies, darker skinned people, homosexuals, disabled people - and intellectuals. Some estimate these others at about 4 million; they're often completely overlooked. Even now, the true numbers murdered by the regime are unknown. For this reason, I'm very alarmed when any bunch of people start demonizing any other group. It starts somewhere. Let's demonize ... hmm, Muslims. Yeah, they look different. Let's focus blame for all our problems on them, they're different. NO!!!!! Some are bad people and/or extremists. Most are not. Deal with the hate, inequality, privilege, issues. (I won't say any more, or this could become too political, and my intent is not that but to get people to examine their own prejudices.)

Wow. that is weird. I can see that some of the liars at TWI might deem someone who'd left as "dead" but how very unfair to little children, to be told that one of their parent is dead, when basically all they' done is walk away from the strictures of TWI.

(So no point in this new thread.)

Yes. Po-tay-to (US and UK/Commonwealth) BUT to-mah-to (UK/Commonwealth), to-may-to (US). Dunno why.

"Why Division?" in the NDC. A very long time since I read that book. No desire to re-read. But isn't the answer to the question, "Because it enables us to control you better"? Doncha love his "Personally [nose in the air, sniffily], I will not be subjecting myself to any part of this meeting." Very holier-than-thou, Vern. For one, I don't think he was invited to participate, and secondly, i can't see him subjecting himself to anybody (except RFR) - much less to other voices or other advice

Now here is one to be cautious of. Pants. What is or are "pants," current buzz-word aside? In the UK and commonwealth countries, pants are undergarments. Panties (women) or Y-fronts (men) or generally that garment worn next to the skin. Knickers. Scants/scanties. Boxers. Bloomers. Underwear. Pants may also (but not necessarily or even usually) mean "trousers" or some other similar kind of outer garment (jeans, chinos, etc).

"Twinky said..."? No, no, no, no, no! Vern said! And Twinky says: "Yeah, riiiight...!" "Cease to be part of the problem"??? (They are the problem!") Be teachable"? (Don't make me laugh!) "See us and know we are His" (see us and run a mile, more like). Since TWI's own MO since its beginning was to be contentious, and thereby to be ... "dividing the body of Christ" I don't seen how things are going to change. What's your position statement, Vern? And where are your efforts to (re)join as "members of Christ’s Body" and fellowship with actual Christians, and even (ha!) to do as Christ commanded - to love God AND to love fellow human beings? And Vern, do remember that other human beings IS NOT limited to other Wayfers. God pours his blessings on the rich and the poor, the believers and the unbelievers. He loves us all (TWI forgets that) and doesn't wish anyone to perish. Sorry, so far, I'm not convinced. But if you're serious, you're welcome to come along to my church and see how we do things, and find out what real Christian community is about.

Interesting. I just found this, recently posted on a FB page set up by some ex-TWI folk. It's Vern Edwards's letter responding to the letter sent by the R&R folk that they sent complaining about the then BoD. I don't know the date of this letter. (I also posted this letter on the R&R thread, but maybe it deserves its own thread.) Vern Edwards letter Dear Household Fellowship Coordinators, As you are probably aware, the Placement Meetings have been taking place this week (thank you for your prayers!). And you may or may not be aware that there has been another group that is actively working in opposition to the Board of Directors and ministry leadership. This group has been led by Bob & Dottie Moynihan, Phil and Sue Shelton, and Ed and Jacque Horney. As of yesterday at the Placement Meetings, these individuals have been dropped from active Way Corps and are considered “mark and avoid”. This decision was made by the mutual agreement of Directors, the Officers, and the President’s Cabinet for the individuals’ divisive actions. Many efforts have been graciously extended to these individuals over the better part of a year, but to no avail. Romans 16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. In Philippians there is a verse that is very appropriate to this subject. Philippians 2:3: Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory…. Gleaning from both Bullinger’s and Thayer’s Lexicons, we find that strife is defined as “canvassing” or “factiousness”. From an English dictionary, canvassing is “to travel around an area asking people for something such as opinions, or votes”. A faction is defined as “a dissenting minority within a larger group.” This faction is canvassing, persuading disciples to support their cause through fair words and good speeches (Romans 16:8). The individuals above have initiated a Facebook meeting called “Revival and Restoration Livestream Q&A.” Just to make it clear, this is NOT a ministry backed event. It should be very obvious by the very nature of the FB page. It is a mess of confusion, contention, arguing, and division; anything but decent and in order. When one person stands up for the ministry, they are instantly attacked. Today I see that most comments in support of the ministry have been taken down leaving only the comments of those who are agreeing with the Revival and Restoration group. On the FB page, several encourage others to listen to the Livestream event, after all, what harm is there in that? There is plenty of harm. What harm is there in fiery darts? What harm is there in dissenting words? What harm was there in Eve listening to the serpent? Paul confronted those who spoke words designed to divide and discredit, who sowed seeds of discord. 2 Corinthians 12:20: For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults. Personally, I will not subject myself to any part of this meeting. My efforts will be put to glorifying God, moving His Word, and promoting unity of the spirit. If you have not read chapter 7, of Just the Way it Was, I would strongly encourage you to do so. This stuff is not new, but has historically been whipped up anytime there has been a transfer of leadership in The Way. Dr. Wierwille wrote the following in The New Dynamic Church, chapter 13, “Why Division?”. “May God deliver us as the Church from being contentious and difficult, from maligning our brethren, from bickering and quarrelsomeness, from dividing the Body of Christ by our lack of enlightenment. There is too much division outside the Church; our solidarity is imperative to give us strength to move forward in spite of the opposition. May the Father in heaven, for the sake of the only begotten Son, bless us with such an abundance that we may cease to be a part of the problem and become part of the answer. May we as members of Christ’s Body become so filled with love that we may be teachable and have our hearts opened to God’s Holy Word. And may we receive of Him and carry the blessings to all we meet, that they may see us and know we are His.” The greatest thing we can do is to bring spiritual light to the dark world in which we live. Be the Christian in the room. Invite people to fellowship. Teach them what you know. Acts 26:18: To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. We have a strong ministry with a bright future. If any of you feel you need to talk, please call. My number is 315-638-2382. I am not into arguing or debating, but am keenly focused on spiritual truth and can perhaps shed light on any genuine concerns or questions you may have. Standing steadfast, Vern Edwards

Wow. 3-5, then only 2. Probably lucky now if they get even 1. What's the point of having the WC training program if there's no-one to train? Wouldn't you hate to be the "one" or even one of the "3-5" and have all that scrutiny focused in your direction?

Interesting. I just found this, recently posted on a FB page set up by some ex-TWI folk. It's Vern Edwards's letter responding to the letter sent by the R&R folk that they sent complaining about the then BoD: Vern Edwards letter Dear Household Fellowship Coordinators, As you are probably aware, the Placement Meetings have been taking place this week (thank you for your prayers!). And you may or may not be aware that there has been another group that is actively working in opposition to the Board of Directors and ministry leadership. This group has been led by Bob & Dottie Moynihan, Phil and Sue Shelton, and Ed and Jacque Horney. As of yesterday at the Placement Meetings, these individuals have been dropped from active Way Corps and are considered “mark and avoid”. This decision was made by the mutual agreement of Directors, the Officers, and the President’s Cabinet for the individuals’ divisive actions. Many efforts have been graciously extended to these individuals over the better part of a year, but to no avail. Romans 16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. In Philippians there is a verse that is very appropriate to this subject. Philippians 2:3: Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory…. Gleaning from both Bullinger’s and Thayer’s Lexicons, we find that strife is defined as “canvassing” or “factiousness”. From an English dictionary, canvassing is “to travel around an area asking people for something such as opinions, or votes”. A faction is defined as “a dissenting minority within a larger group.” This faction is canvassing, persuading disciples to support their cause through fair words and good speeches (Romans 16:8). The individuals above have initiated a Facebook meeting called “Revival and Restoration Livestream Q&A.” Just to make it clear, this is NOT a ministry backed event. It should be very obvious by the very nature of the FB page. It is a mess of confusion, contention, arguing, and division; anything but decent and in order. When one person stands up for the ministry, they are instantly attacked. Today I see that most comments in support of the ministry have been taken down leaving only the comments of those who are agreeing with the Revival and Restoration group. On the FB page, several encourage others to listen to the Livestream event, after all, what harm is there in that? There is plenty of harm. What harm is there in fiery darts? What harm is there in dissenting words? What harm was there in Eve listening to the serpent? Paul confronted those who spoke words designed to divide and discredit, who sowed seeds of discord. 2 Corinthians 12:20: For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults. Personally, I will not subject myself to any part of this meeting. My efforts will be put to glorifying God, moving His Word, and promoting unity of the spirit. If you have not read chapter 7, of Just the Way it Was, I would strongly encourage you to do so. This stuff is not new, but has historically been whipped up anytime there has been a transfer of leadership in The Way. Dr. Wierwille wrote the following in The New Dynamic Church, chapter 13, “Why Division?”. “May God deliver us as the Church from being contentious and difficult, from maligning our brethren, from bickering and quarrelsomeness, from dividing the Body of Christ by our lack of enlightenment. There is too much division outside the Church; our solidarity is imperative to give us strength to move forward in spite of the opposition. May the Father in heaven, for the sake of the only begotten Son, bless us with such an abundance that we may cease to be a part of the problem and become part of the answer. May we as members of Christ’s Body become so filled with love that we may be teachable and have our hearts opened to God’s Holy Word. And may we receive of Him and carry the blessings to all we meet, that they may see us and know we are His.” The greatest thing we can do is to bring spiritual light to the dark world in which we live. Be the Christian in the room. Invite people to fellowship. Teach them what you know. Acts 26:18: To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. We have a strong ministry with a bright future. If any of you feel you need to talk, please call. My number is 315-638-2382. I am not into arguing or debating, but am keenly focused on spiritual truth and can perhaps shed light on any genuine concerns or questions you may have. Standing steadfast, Vern Edwards

Possibly rejoice at being out of the place!!!

Hmph. Use to be, it was part of the class for PFAL and that was what part of the cost of the class.

Wow! And Vern is still in place! What happened there? Is she dead; had a stroke; really, really, retired from TWI - or is she hiding even deeper behind the scenes as some sort of "emeritus" or honorary member of the BOD? Interesting times ahead!

It's a pity that Waxit didn't want to engage with us on some of the other threads. I'm sure he's more than a one-horse wonder.

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