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Hi Everybody!!!...................i just watched marion jones.....olympic athlete extraordinaire from the 2000 summer games........apologize to ALL of US who rooted for her...... because she used performance enhancing steroids during and prior to her medal winning performances in those games...............gutwrenching to say the least!!!!.......but, you know what??...............i forgave her immediately because her "confession" was truly and honestly heartfelt, for all to see....... and it motivated me to grant her request for forgiveness "on the spot".............even though i did'nt feel she hurt me personally!........i forgave her!!.............and, not only that........i am again "rooting" for her as she now faces the legal and personal consequences of her "sins"................truly a courageous woman!!..........more than can be said for the sorry list of "christian leaders" i have listed previously on this thread!!!...............YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!!.................and,.... YOU ALL STILL OWE US AN APOLOGY!!!!!..........................................................PEACE!

very eerie indeed!!!...........i did not know either that these "practices" are ongoing............how 'bout more info from those "in the know '...........how 'bout any info at all???????............thanks for the post, butnowisee!.............................peace.

thanks cindy!......enjoyed the clip.........never saw this guy before......will be looking for him on comedy central....................................peace.

still laughing!!.........ok.......ham.........................

ROTFLMAO!!!!............Mr.Hammeroni!.............you just cracked me up!!!!......too funny!.............thanks!...............................peace.

HELLO AGAIN JEFF AND JOHN!!.......HAVING A GOOD WEEKEND SO FAR???.....HOW'S ABOUT A POST TODAY???.........ANY ANSWERS????...............STILL WAITING........................HOPING TO HEAR FROM YOU SOMETIME..............................PEACE.

Hi Bliss!..........thanks for your posts!.......... As a long ago "former friend" of boob and doody, it is interesting to note that they, even after more than 20 YEARS of "acknowledging that they have done wrong" still have NOT STOPPED "DOING WRONG"!!..........funny, ....i was a "peer" of their's, of the same age, and, heck, i reproved them too.........IN 1986!.........they never "humbly apologized" to me!!.....how come??? "they have sold out to the 'message' of the bible the ministry teaches. they really don't think there is anywhere else to go."..............sorry, bliss......but....what a crock of ages!!..what biblical message is there in twi that ces, or geer, or cff can't provide for our forlorn moynihan's??........guess they just would'nt offer them a position nearly as prominent in their oufits as twi can!!...............certainly, doody's daddy left enough for her from the furniture business in nc to provide for any of the physical comforts the've grown accustomed to.....not to mention whatever real estate and financial investments he also may have left for them.......what they've "sold out" to is their upholding of the phoney myths and legends of twi that they are the guardians of for their own selfish and perverse reasons.........they've been "in" since 1969!........that's a badge of honor for them in twi..........they protect twi's "holy grail" at the cost of having their consciences "seared with a hot iron"!!..........makes them seem like some kind of heroes,..."knights templar".........what a mighty stand they've taken!!.....yeah.....what a crock!!...............the list of "friends" they've dumped, lied about and "M&A'd" just keeps on growing...they're like the energizer bunnies of lying and mistreating "friends".........nice little "niche" they've carved out for themselves within the walls of zion.....the halls of human carnage of twi!!............if you ever really get honest with them , bliss, your name will be added to that list!..... But, no matter, twi "is just the vehicle they use to talk and teach about god"!...........more like the vehicle they use to continue to run down all who oppose them or "reprove" them..........vehicular homicide is a crime, bliss!........ "what am i supposed to do? dump them? sorry, my beliefs in jesus to love them where they are at, tell me otherwise."...........who you choose as your friends is totally up to you, bliss.......nobody else's business............but do your beliefs in jesus include not "casting your pearls before swine"??.......boob and doody, whited sepulchres that they are, certainly fit the category of swine..........just my opinion though..............just try asking them what they've known about vic and the dancing prez since 1986!......how many willful lies and cover-ups have they carried out since then???...........see how much they'll "acknowledge" before you too are dumped onto the garbage pile of their long list of "friends"!........... Bliss.......you sound like a nice person...........i bet you are.............and i certainly would never presume to interfere with your choice of friends..........absolutely none of my business..........it just seems to me that there are a lot more people on this planet more worthy of your friendship than those 2 lying losers behind the walls of zion......i just pray you see it before it happens!............................................peace.

wow you guys!!..............i heard about the "white glove" dust inspections of window and door sills.....even the fridge top inspections......but i never knew about the dust to crotch connection!!!!........does'nt surprise me that there was one.....just never knew about it.............but, it figures that if every woman in the kingdom belonged to the king.......the old king pervert himself would wanna make sure the crotches of all his "properties" were "up to snuff"....... dot.....you raise a very interesting question.........i remember talking with cora mae peters once, a long time ago......she mentioned something about vic having been "fondled" by his mother when he was real young........vic used to tell us that in his "humble" childhood he slept in the same bed with his folks for several years........apparently, no other bed was readily available and he said this was fairly customary among the families in his predominantly german, farming family community of new knoxville as well as the surrounding communities of similar ethnic and socioeconomic heritage............for the youngest child to bed down with mama and papa for the first few years of their life.............who knows what may have transpired???............interesting question..........................remember too, that dotsie was raised in the same community and came from the same background that vic did........who knows what happened during the cold winter nights of dotsie's earliest years at the kipp farm???.........she was a classic enabler, and as far as i know, she never confronted her husband about any of his hundreds of "ministering sessions" with her sisters in christ!!!.........maybe incest was not a foreign concept to either one of them?......it surely was'nt for vic, was it??? that's my view of his serial sexual predation......incest in it's most vile form......for we must never forget that every wow, corps and any other "believer" woman was vic's sister in christ......or as he like to call 'em........one of his "kids"........before she became his victim.........appears he took incest to new, dizzying heights!!!..................how grossly perverse and evil!....................................................peace.

post deleted to avoid double posting.......sowwy!

hey coolchef!......thanks for the note................let me just say, regarding "too inistent"................you ain't seen nothin' yet............hehehe..................peace.

HI AGAIN, JEFF!.....HI AGAIN JOHN! I'M STILL ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS.........STILL EAGERLY AWAITING SOME KIND OF REPLY FROM EITHER OF YOU........OR BOTH OF YOU......... WHAT'S UP GUYS??..........WON'T YOU PLEASE SAY SOMETHING??...............THANKS!.........................PEACE!

Hello there, shortfuse!!.........thought provoking post........thanks! I think wordwolf and belle have hit on the 2 major "ideological" tipping points regarding why vic really pushed the consolidation and eventual "denominationalization" of twi doctrines.........from a chronological perspective, i think the tipping point came in the spring of 1972, when vic pranced out john townsend as the "frontman" for the teaching and establishment , the "formalization" of the way tree.........prior to that time, there were only "fellowships", not twigs........we were'nt "joining twi".......there was no twi,.....it was "the way, inc."....back then........."the way ministry"........the brc had the word "ecumenical" stamped on its dedicatory placque, hung at the main entrance.........we were "getting into the word",........becoming "born-again christians"............."getting into the ministry".........which back in 1970......(when i "got in")......consisted of, "headquarters", in new knoxville ("the farm").....the way west, the way east, the way of north carolina (the ecu crowd, et al), the way of kansas (primarily fugit in wichita, followed shortly by townsend),...the way of indiana, the way of ohio, and the way of australia............after the "summer school"....sessions of 1969 and 1970, at hq........things really began mushrooming all over the states..........in the way east, we went from nothing in early 1970 to thousands of "grads" all over the northeast........hundreds of classes, hundreds of thousands of dollars in "tithes and offerings, bookstore sales, class registration "donations"....etc., etc.,..... the only "formal doctrines" were the foundational, intermediate and advanced classes (with accompanying syllabi), "the collaterals" (a collection of about 62 pamphlets, including "pamphlet" versions of christians should be prosperous and adan) and whatever notes people took at summer school and/or family camps!!!........the structure was incredibly "loose" compared to what many came to know in the years following the spring of '72!!!............thousands of details are flying through my mind right now.......but, suffice it to say.......the incredible increase in cashflow and "membership" provided a major windfall for vic and the boys in nk!!!..........in 1972, vic "brought it all home" to the farm.......way east and way west leaders were axed with the various "rumors" of misuse of the money, "ego problems" and not "listeneing to the man of god" at headquarters.............almost over night, "blue forms" appeared, all money was deposited directly into newly established "limb" bank accounts.....fellowships became twigs, branches, areas and limbs with "leadership" ordained and appointed by headquarters and then "down the tree"........going wow and corps was now the only "right" way of moving the word and growing "spiritually"........vic consolidated financial and doctrinal control over "his ministry" centralizing and dictating all in and from new knoxville!!!......he was our "father in the word" now.....not merely "the teacher" any more........suddenly there were new seminars, jcing became the "big deal" in 1973........and the money just kept pouring in!!.......if you did'nt line up with hq, you were "out of fellowship".......usually "possessed",....."tripped out"......the pfal series was dogmatized, the way tree institutionalized and the "way ministry" was denominationalized into "the way international"!!! so, to gain and maintain control over the leadership and the money,......vic went about full force giving twi it's unique identity, tatooing his way over "the way", his teachings over "the word" and his lifestyle upon the "followers of the way".........the doctrine became "written in stone" and its purest form was available only from "the farm",through "the teacher", our newly crowned "father in the word"....bringing new light to our generation by formalizing all the stuff he plagerized, stole and "received from god" into HIS ministry.......and personal "cash cow"!!!.............hence "the scarcity" of the "rightly-divided word, as it has'nt been taught since the first century".....became an ever more necessary "club" in the hands of the apostle vic used to bludgeon the identity of his ministry into the hungry minds of his faithful "grads".......the spurious doctrines hinted at in the pfal series now became books, seminars, research projects, films, public ex's, rock of ages, etc., etc.,....ad infinitum!.................so....the "WHEN"......as far as "putting some teeth into the ministry".......imo........truly was in the spring of 1972 with the imposition of the way tree structure upon those who were formerly simply "followers of the way".............what a toxic spring that turned out to be!!!!..........................peace.

HEY THERE TONTO!!!.............HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!....................MAY MANY MORE KEEP ROLLING YOUR WAY!!!

HELLO AGAIN, JEFF AND JOHN!!.........HOW ARE YOU GUYS TODAY??..................HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS THREAD, YET???........BY ANY CHANCE, HAVE YOU SEEN IT????........ANY ANSWERS FOR US???.................STILL WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS!!!....................PEACE!

HEY JEFF????............HEY JOHN????..................IT'S BEEN MORE THAN TWO DAYS SINCE I STARTED THIS THREAD........ARE YOU OUT THERE?? STILL WAITNG FOR SOME KINDA REPLY??.................CAN YOU HELP?? Kevlar........as dmiller said.......good point...............surely JOHN OR JEFF.........know the status of any legal proceedings which might prevent them from answering my questions??......there are no proceedings that i'm aware of that would prevent them from telling us they are legally bound to not say anything about the questions i asked.......they are most certainly free to state at least that much!!!!..........i recently heard that the "lawsuit" has no legal merits, and that it has been "dropped"......................SO, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT JEFF OR JOHN?????

Hi Penguin!................interesting topic!.............thanks.......... i can think of several words used in the bible that twi changed the meaning of from english to "wayspeak"...........adultery......fornication..........lying..........idolatry...... ............come to mind quickly!

JEFF AND JOHN..............HI AGAIN! Please be assured that this thread is not meant by me to be sarcastic, or "baiting" in any way..........my questions to you guys are honest and serious..........i'm hoping that this thread will afford you the opportunity to forthrightly and joyfully reply to the questions asked.........by no means do i consider myself to be speaking on anyone else's behalf, but, i do believe that there are many here at the greasespot as well as many among your followers who have similar, if not the same questions............i sincerely hope you will post your answers here........ i remain.............eager to hear your replies!.....................peace!

Hey Oakspeare!.......thanks for the link!....i think.......LOL! I guess rosie's relying heavily on her "high country caravan" experience for 'guidance" for the present truth version of way productions!!!.........what mindless, talentless dribble!!!...........whoever is in charge of "producing" these pathetic productions has to be a grad of the helen keller school of fashion design and communications!!..........do they even know what they put on their own site???........if that's "god's word in culture" it must be the culture of the bizarro world!!!...........obviously, they have no shame!!.......what a shame!!............LOL!...................peace.

Hello everybody! I know of SCORES of situations boob and doody covered up......not just for the dancing prez, but for the founding one too!!!.......and they knew plenty, well before the "early '90's!! she wasted a lotta abs getting her degree in "counselling"!!........she's an absolute disgrace to both the word and the practice!!! As close as they were to those two serial sexual predators i mentioned, how come when the dancing prez was "tossed", they came out "smelling like a rose"?? where's the "genuine spiritual suspicion" regarding their involvement with king okie??.......they contracted one of the most severe cases of "optharectalitis" in the history of the disease by having their heads stuffed so far up the "athlete's arse"!!!.........is that why rosie shipped 'em off to england??......too much dirt in their "lockboxes"??....boob is one of biggest loser's you'll ever meet!!......spineless, gutless wimp!!!.......marked and avoided his closest and oldest "friends" in his attempt to achieve new depths of service to his hero mog!!..........i'm glad they're out of this country........england beware!......... as i mentioned before on this thread regarding young bri bri,......no "new hope" from him........rotten gene pool, both "spiritually" and physiologically!.......sheesh!

HEY JEFF!..........HEY JOHN!.............WHAT'S UP?? It's been almost a year now since you guys posted a load of your information, a long letter from you, john, as well as a number of other lengthy letters, documents, etc. about the happenings of your ministry here at the greasespot cafe...........soooo...........WHAT'S UP YOU GUYS???..........have you read the thousands of posts on your ces forum here at the spot??.........have you noticed the hundreds of thousands of "views" your forum has generated??.......are you totally disinterested in sharing with us greasespotters what's currently happening in and with your ministry regarding all those thousdands of posts, including your own??...........it's like trying to get answers from rosie, or geer, et al!!........your not just gonna offer us a second-rate remake are you??...afterall, the greasespot was nice enough to provide a forum for you guys!!.....can't you muster up the common courtesy of tossing some current answers and facts our way??..the spot was good enough to let you "lay out" your concerns and opinions here...........don't you think we deserve to hear/read your current understanding and opinions on the issues YOU posted here?? How about answering just the following questions for us, ok?? 1)what is your ministry's current teaching regarding the use or misuse of "personal prophecy"? 2)what is your ministry's current position regarding karen ann graeser's understanding and application of the "gift ministry" of a prophet?. what have you learned or "unlearned" from mark and karen ann? 3)what do you believe your ministry's responsibility is to your followers regarding an explanation of "what went wrong"? what have you done to correct any wrong doctrine or practice? 4)how will your ministry's leadership function differently in the future? in your opinion, have you or do you need to change how your leadership functions as prophets, teachers, pastors or evangelists? 5)do you still publicly or privately promote the momentous "training" to your followers? if yes, why? if no, why not? 6)who is currently on your board of directors? your prophetic council? 7)do you foresee a cooperative relationship between ces/stf and the graeser's and the resner's in the near future? if yes, on what grounds? if no, why not? i sure hope you don't refer me to your website(s)!......please have the love to post your responses here on your greasespot forum, won't you? i've checked your sites and have'nt found any info that even comes close to handling any of the questions above.........come on you guys.......don't "pull a twi" on us, ok??........ eagerly awaiting your replies!.................peace........

sushi................still lmao!!!!.......izzard is very funny.......your choice of clips........wonderfully appropriate......thanks!

Hi Everybody! while there may be room for discussion as to exactly when vic started lying.....one thing is for sure......HE NEVER STOPPED UNTIL THE DAY HE DIED!!.....LOL...........the only way to "stop" a pathological liar from "plying his trade" is to await his physical demise!.....thankfully, vic's was somewhat earlier than expected.......those cancer spurts finally had their way.........but the lying still has'nt stopped.......thanks to the dancing prez, cg and the rest......vic's lies struggle to march on.........but, thankfully, the goosestepping has been severely curtailed.........i can't help the mind picture of seeing rosie, cg, and the offshooters being cast in jim carrey's role in "liar liar" as their reward at their "bema"!......hope they never need to use the restroom when they get there!............LOL!...........

Hi there Watered Garden!!...........wonderful "handle" btw! i am a fiecely independent christian since leaving twi.......and i will probably remain "unchurched" for the rest of my time on the planet!.....so, my input here is just that.......only mine......i continue to believe that the father of jesus christ is a god of light in whom there is no darkness at all........i can't understand why those who work so hard to "help" us believe in him persist in trying to get us to see that this god would ever want us to SUFFER in order to keep us close to him or his son!!.......diabetes ain't from the father of jesus christ!!!!.......it's wrapped up in your dna and the lifestyle choices you make regarding diet, excercise, etc..........as with so many things in human life........NATURE AND NURTURE.......imo,....any idiot who wants you to believe that god gave you diabetes for whatever reason is just that......AN IDIOT!!!........no wonder you got "all churned up inside" listening to that crap!!!......i'm sure god and jesus would too!!! as far as god doing anything negative to you for recognizing the truth about lcm et al.........i'm sure you already know that can't in any way be true!!!......the true god would congratulate you heartily for determinig to free yourself from the slavery of those perverse and false doctrines......if, indeed our heavenly father is LOVE......how could spitefulness from him be in any way congruent with his nature?????........and i could care less what any preacher might say to equivocate the "nature" of god!! attending church is every individual's right......you're free to choose.....and the reasons are really nobody else's business.......you do what you feel you need to do......but you're a mature woman and you also have the right to choose what you believe......god-given right.........so, if someone does'nt like your choices......they can make their own.......but if they try to impose their choices on you in the name of god, they are simply usurping god's sovereignty.......no one, for any reason has the authority to tell you what to believe regarding your relationship with your heavenly father.....nor can they determine for you what his "nature" is.....imo..........for what it's worth......................peace to you WG!

Hey Bozz!!.........where did you get that picture of me for your mailbox?????............LOL!.......if it works on bills, i'd love to use it to stop all that damn junk mail!!!!!! cute house and neighborhood by the way...........happy halloween to you and yours!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SUDO!!!.........FLASHING YOU A TOOTHY SMILE !