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What DO you mean by "these men really seem like 'your kind of people?'" Hey TLC... your comment seems more like an assumption than a request for clarification. Is that what you meant to do?

Watch for release this fall of Penworks' memoir, "Undertow." That will provide a great deal of insight. Of course, I think it would be great if Skyrider and others wrote a memoir of their time in TWI.

I'd like to see the discourse take place without general accusations which characterize posters' comments as supportive of TWI and offshoot dogma positions if the poster hasn't specifically indicated affinity or support for those groups.

Indeed... fear is in the DNA of the subculture that VPW built. And fear is a powerful motivator. But you've done some of the most important work already -- learning by experience that the expectations they gave you are simply unfounded.

:offtopic:/> Sorry... meanwhile back to our regularly scheduled discussion of Wierwille's plagiarism.

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Depends on whether we eventually figured out that it was all bunk.

Had to have been someone in his inner circle... as if he could have figured it out on his own?

The bottom line to all of that makes the answer to the question posed in the thread topic: yes, most obviously, perhaps even to the most casual observer.

The TPP completely undermines the sovereignty of the US, it's constitution and its citizens. It IS the fruition of the concept of One World Government. It does so by making the trade agreement supercede the lawful rights of US citizens and makes us SUBJECT TO corporate rule by mega-corporations. An example of how trade agreements make US citizens into subjects is in the recent news that Canadian tar sands/oil interests are suing the US government for $15B for refusal to authorize the Keystone XL pipeline. My comment is only to explain what it is.

Since that's not about VB, perhaps a new thread would be appropriate.

Yep. Pretty much. The letters mostly lack coherence, mostly were rambling bulls*it. Mostly, if not exclusively "poor me" for the failures of the WC.

There are 30 letters posted in that archive on google docs. One has to be a translator of sorts to understand them. I suspect that you, T-Bone, will be able to do a fabulous job ferreting out the ironic "truths" in them. I'm trying to sort them in chronological order (not sure those posted are the only ones he wrote to the WC). Here's a gem from the December 2, 1977 letter that holds glaring irony. Wierwille wrote, "A comment on scripture is one thing, but inserting that comment in the body of the scripture text as scripture is Biblical immorality and forgery. This has happened not infrequently regarding one God and other fields in the Word." Isn't that just a rewrite of his definition of the expression "literal translation according to usage?" When HE did it, it was justified, because as he got us to believe, if HE said it, it was as if God had said it. But when someone else said it (outside of TWI, or anyone on his research team who determined Wierwille's pronouncements were wrong) it was forgery. Anyone have any examples handy to help lurking innies grasp the significance of Wierwille's deception?

Well, sounds like it was a good conversation. Did he give any indication that he knows anything about Greasespot Cafe?

PREACH it, brother! Great post. Thanks.

And amazingly, it NOW finally dawns on Barnard's wife that perhaps she ought to divorce him... ... speaking of suspicious timing.

Key word: almost.

I'd love to be able to listen in on that conversation.

I agree completely. Btw, New York Magazine has this write up now.

The other day I watched a movie on hulu that goes a long way in showing LGBTQ people as genuine people. It won the Palm d'Or at Cannes a couple of years ago, it was that well done. The English title is Blue is the Warmest Color. It took me several years after TWI before I began to realize gays were genuine people with legitimate humanity and human qualities.

Me too. :)

Guess who's back from Brazil...

That's tremendous. Thanks. For years I dreamed of going to law school... got as far as registering for the LSAT in 2013/2014 with a view to starting in fall 2014. Then I realized I don't need the stress of paying for student loans in my sixties. Perhaps that title was given to you BECAUSE of your legal background. Glad you had the integrity to give it to them straight. :)

Kudos to you, Twinky, for having the gumption to take that stand. What was the paper about? Love to you for dealing with family on Monday.

Not necessarily a bad thing.