WordWolf

We've mentioned that before, as well. His lack of character reflects on his lack of integrity, which shows he's unfit for the office of leader. Right.And so the "law of believing", and the "every woman in the kingdom belonged to the king" parts of pfal, for example, should be rejected because they're error. For those of you who think that pfal is a new Bible, according to its OWN standard, if it is imperfect in ANY place, the whole Bible falls to pieces. Naming just those 2 examples, pfal falls to pieces as a Bible. Wrong. His sins demonstrate he was unworthy to be counted a minister of God. They don't, in and of themselves, address what he taught. Of course, we've said this lots of times, so by now, this is either you failing to read what is written, or you failing to retain what is written. You have a right to your opinion. We've SHOWN it IS relevant, however.

We left out learning to string chairs....

My guess- and this is only a guess- is that he wished to return to the United States. He may have moved to a place he liked better, where he was "plugged in" to people and places better. After all, Gartmore House was a beautiful place to visit, but-as he complained in his POP paper, it was NOT their first choice and was in the middle of NOWHERE, transit-wise.

A "parachute" is what a skydiver wears to slow his fall. In business slang, a "parachute" is the retirement plan (retirement money) set aside for an executive. A "Gold Parachute" is a retirement plan that has a lot of money-a LOT of money.

[vpw COULD have given credit to all the sources he USED. All OTHER writers do it all the time. Further, if he was going to forget SOMEONE, it should NOT be the 3 writers he completely stole PFAL from in its entirety.] [No worries.We all know EXACTLY whose ears are stopped up.] See, themex, that's where you and I agree, and you and Mike DISagree. Mike believes the Bible is NOT God's Word. Mike believes the PFAL COLLATERALS are God's Word. Mike believes that Jesus is very interested in PFAL. Mike believes Jesus appointed VPW the spokesman for Jesus. Mike believes Jesus told him this. Mike has said that when Jesus Christ returns, he will be holding a copy of the Orange PFAL Book AND be TEACHING YOU from it. themex, you and Mike DISagree on those things.

[ WordWolf in boldface and brackets again...]

[WordWolf in bold and brackets again.] [No, it's the same old, same old...] Your level of ignorance occasionally astounds me. The Way didn't PRODUCE a Companion Bible. They purchased the rights to PRINT a run of that book. If they made the slightest alteration to its contents, they would have been committing an illegal act and VIOLATING THE LICENSE THEY PURCHASED. EW Bullinger wrote the Companion Bible. ANYONE altering it in the slightest breaks the law, and whenever vpw used exerpts from it WITHOUT citation, he was breaking the law. So, twi had no authority to REMOVE his name from the book, nor to switch anyone else's name for it. That's not "noble" of them-that's avoiding a trip to prison.

Almost everyone I ever met was in LESS than 10 years, usually 5 years or less. Where did this "average" come from? I learned some things I found quite valuable. And, as soon as it was obvious a madman was in charge, I took off. It was much later that I discovered that I had been lied to many, many times, and the good in my life was purchased with destruction in the lives of my sisters in Christ. Ever know a guy who died directly as a result of twi? I knew a guy who blew his brains out because he couldn't deal with the options- lcm was boinking his wife, and supposedly, as the man of God, he was perfect.... ======= There are many Christians I COULD have learned all that from, WITHOUT the destruction of lives.

I beg to differ. Granted, he received it graciously, sent a very polite thank-you note, and, apparently, thought fairly highly of what we sent. I think it took a certain amount of maturity to do that. (He could have just lit a match and pretended we never sent it.) On the other hand, considering yourself a seasoned professional (like a PhD with a decade or more under his belt) and seeing some relative youngster unknowns (like undergrad college students) put together a refutation of one of your publications that exceeded the quality OF that publication can be quite a blow. It's human, and fallible, and I'd really be surprised if that didn't happen. I mean, he's not the ONLY experienced person who thought we couldn't have had the right of it at the time..... I'm thinking of the catchphrases we were presented with when we asked questions before sending it. (On the other hand, there were a few who knew we had something of substance from early on, and our ages did NOT refute that...)

Still got the draft version handy, and the more final one is around here SOMEWHERE. The substance was about the same in both. I might imagine 40 pages of refutation, covering ALL points, implications, and things that were muttered behind closed doors and later claimed by others (like the "Sarah" thing), I think, WOULD get someone's attention. I think the hit-and-a-half was not that it was so comprehensive, not that it answered EVERYTHING, not that it included the conclusions he SHOULD have drawn, not that it showed where the mistake was.... but that a couple of relative ciphers, guys with NO titles, whom he would view as relatively low on the scale with way corps 20-year longtimers around, produced that where HE did not. That HAD to sting, no matter HOW we tried to soften the blow. ============ Repeat after me: The phrase "What the Bible says God knows, He knows; what the Bible says God doesn't know, He doesn't know" conveys NO information, is an evasion, and is a NON-ANSWER meant to PREVENT discussion.

Also, please note that the ASKING price for books is not necessarily a price that people will EVER pay. Adam Smith's "invisible hand" dictates that supply and price determine DEMAND, which means that lower supplies will raise demand, if more people want copies than there are copies to be had. It also means that, if nobody wants to pay the price, the price should drop until a price is found that someone is willing to pay. (If I want to sell a copy of Harry Potter Book 6 for $1000, no one will buy it. So I drop the price to what they'll pay, which is something reasonable.) However, for some reason, rare books seem to be UNAFFECTED by Adam Smith's invisible hand. I was looking for a set of books. Books 1-20 were released in the US, and I have them. 21-28 had all been released in the UK, and were NEVER released in the US, AND are out-of-print. These are all PAPERBACKS released in the 90s. I put in an inquiry with a bookseller site. I figured they might ask something like 20 bucks or something for a paperback, maybe a little more. They wanted prices ranging between 120 and 200. POUNDS STERLING. That would translate to over $200 for the CHEAP one. And they were not "mint", "fresh-from-the-printers" copies. I laughed and deleted the e-mails. I figure if I ever need the cash, I can offer my set, if THAT's the kinds of offers floating around.... I think the name of the site was "Bartleby's".

There WERE more than a few people that bought his new thesis JUST because he said it. My first exposure to his new thesis was the direct result of someone who had a "duh, of course God's understanding isn't infinite!" view of things, which surprised me more than a bit. The documentation of his thesis was easy to refute, and showed that he didn't expose major stuff to others to see if it wasn't just the way he's seeing things now, as opposed to accurate and true. (This is where "peer review" comes in VERY handy.) By "easy to refute", I mean that the exact DOCTRINE was easy to refute from Scripture, and how he GOT there was easy to refute from Scripture. Hey, Raf, what do you think about the idea that you and I were the penultimate straw that broke the camel's back? (Which was NOT the idea at ALL at the time, but still.)

Every once in a while, I've seen someone drop a side-comment that vpw's dad (whom I call Old Man Wierwille for convenience) was abusive to vpw, all his brothers and all his sisters. What's the story here? (Those of you who know SOMETHING here, please chime in.)

Paw, I think, doesn't get enough recognition for what he's done. This place has made a HUGE difference in the lives of people, and has been a continual thorn in the side (the messenger of God) to buffet twi. Exposing the truth is worth the effort.

We saw the "ferret". We did not see "the amazing BOUNCING ferret." Plus, Ron right after that, concentrating to himself. "I want to fix that in my memory forever...the amazing bouncing ferret..." Divination class was also lots of fun.. Harry (doing his birth horoscope): "I've got two Neptunes here. That can't be right, can it?" Ron (imitating Sybill Trelawney): "Aaaaah...when two Neptunes appear in the sky, it is a sure sign that a midget in glasses is being born, Harry..." We missed Archie the wizard, who refused a Muggle suit.... And the scene I would have loved- picking up Harry by the Floo Network- when the Dursleys have BRICKED UP their fireplace... Or Percy explaining about how important his ministry job was, and why he had to keep checking his mail. "Yeah, someone might slip dragon dung in it again, eh, Perce?" said Fred. "That was a sample of fertilizer from Norway! It was nothing personal!" ("It was," Fred whispered to Harry. "We sent it.")

Here's a little of what I found so far: "..a Way 'inner-sanctum' initiation ceremony. Anybody ever go through that? I did. Wierwille conducted it as 'the grand wizard'. Yes, that's what he called himself. Various unidentified Corps in the black-hooded robes assisted. The proceedings were ostensibly tongue-in-cheek."

You "got sick and tired of being sick and tired". That's not uncommon around here. Your profile is showing the added stuff.A "sticky" is a topic on a messageboard that has been "stuck" to the top. Normally, threads/topics that are posted on most recently get bumped to the top. A "sticky" remains stuck on top so it's not lost. Usually, they're reserved for important instructions or announcements. One important piece of advice for messageboards is: "read the stickys BEFORE posting". That's why they're there. *looks* On this board, the official label is that the topic/thread was "pinned", which may make more sense to you. Here's a direct link to that thread. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=7913

In order, 1) trick question, they've discussed it, and it's your delusion, not ours 2) I wear Permanent Press, t-shirts, denim and flannel specifically to avoid ironing. 3) No, and trick question again. 4) No, and trick question again. 5) No, and this answer has been "no" for over 2 years now. We've been thru this before, many times. All things cyclical imply futility.

Every once in a while, someone posts about some sort of "secret initiation" or "secret ceremony" or something that some old-timers went thru. To those of us who never saw it, please explain it.

Greetings, "I Love Bagpipes." You must tell us if there's something you'd prefer we call you. For someone who's never posted anywhere, you're off to a good start. Your profile is nicely anonymous. Anyone trying to track you down would have to work hard to get ANYTHING, and sit and sit and try to piece together all your posts. :) I posted some introductory information that has been placed as a "sticky" at the top of this forum. I can't really improve on the advice there. *restrains himself from retyping the sticky* Enjoy your stay.

Man, he was RUTHLESS about making everyone money only go ONE-WAY, wasn't he? (I've always wondered what the "way" in the name referred to- now I know. The money only went ONE WAY- to HIM.) Any REAL Christian ministry would have covered gas at LEAST for themselves, and ASKED about room. (Unless it was truly BROKE, they would have paid for their own room and board.) The corps travelled in TRUCKS- not even a refurbished BUS or whatever. (VERY unsafe by modern standards, since there were no CHAIRS.) El Jodong Grande travels in TOWNCARS-that's towncarS, plural. What does God need with a TOWNCAR? I have one of vpw's newspaper articles that he wrote and PAID to have printed, where he explains WHY he's a cheap tipper, and gives a SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. (It's in the whole set.) Well, when it's SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY, then he's a generous tipper. When it's "his" money- which, no matter what he thought, was not HIS money, but rather the MINISTRY's MONEY- he was incredibly cheap. He didnt want to spend money if it meant he had less money in his hands... I'd never heard of the stuff, really, before reading here myself. SEVERAL BOTTLES? How many weeks was he staying? Was it really only a few DAYS? That sounds like MORE THAN ONE BOTTLE PER DAY. THAT practice sure changed eventually.

Out of curiousity, what was the "here Howard-take my jacket" thing? I've never heard of it.

Actually, it's an FOS thing. Well, General Grievous, we'll all take our chances. If I'm snout-to-nose with Jesus Christ himself, and he wants to discuss a particular class I took or a set of books I read, I'll probably be interested in what the opposition wants to discuss that week. God is well aware of this, too. He hasn't gotten around to destroying me for it yet, so you'll have to wait for it.

Oldies is OBVIOUSLY NOT an "innie". If Oldies was an innie, he'd be facing all the evidence of crap every day. From his comfy chair, Oldies is distant enough in time and space to speculate and weave a tale of events a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... ...in those days, there was joy throughout the kingdom. Men were men, women were women, and bottles of Drambuie were bottles of Drambuie.