WordWolf

That's the "SULTANS OF SWING", by Dire Straits. Not many posters here are familiar with them, I think.

By typing and hitting the "post" button. Bramble seems to have figured it out without difficulty. Pretty much everything I posted came from one thread or another from the GSC, and can be found here. And was said by other people, not me. And a large part of my initial post was questions. And the "undocumented" part was "the way tree", which I thought was common knowledge. Where did I get contentious, and where did my attitude come in? (Before this question, I mean.)

This is a thread about ordination...

He can and He did. In this case, He Himself chose as the instrument of His preservation, "those evil catholics." Common people not reading it is NOT how I would have handled it if asked. Why God Almighty elected to preserve it in this fashion-they're the ones that Martin Luther's texts ultimately came from- is not known to me. However, I would not seek to lecture Him on ways and means. Perhaps you should address Him directly on this one.

3) Believers with famous names/name recognition like football players, judges, etc. They were given awards they never earned (Tony Collins got a wow pin) or got recognition otherwise (like the judge whom even vpw didnt think was right for taking the stage- but ok'd him because he was famous.) As someone pointed out, they were trotted out as if they were "pfal success stories", despite them achieving their accomplishments BEFORE pfal.

[WordWolf in boldface again.] IIRC, the five "gift ministries" were not required for ordination, and helps and governments WERE included. That's fine since they're in the Epistles as well. However, one always heard about "the five gift ministries" like they were the upper tier of ordination, and the others were the lower tier. And forget ever getting a straight answer on who has what.

BTW, those 5 "gift ministries" were mentioned in the abstract, and there were "reverends" ("ministers") in twi, but it was nearly impossible to ever pin anyone down on exactly WHO was WHAT. Nobody ever seemed to have a SPECIFIC "ministry", and specific questions were met with a song-and-dance that answered NOTHING. The exception, of course, being vpw. He called HIMSELF "THE Teacher." And had other people do it. (It was right in Session 12 of the tapes.) This suggested he had that "gift ministry." And he made up the definition of an apostle as "one who brings new light to his generation. It may be old light, but to the generation he brings it to-it is new." at the same time he asserted that God told him He would teach vpw like people hadn't been taught for 20 centuries if vpw would teach others. Does that or does that NOT look like he's written the definition to match his claims of himself? And he spoke for God to these people, and defined that a prophet is "one who speaks for God", and even predicted all sorts of disasters and troubles in the news- which he got from the John Birch Society and Liberty Lobby. Isnt the prediction thing the classic definition of "prophet"? And evangelist wasn't someone who actually evangelizes- he's someone who gets the other Christians fired up enough about evangelizing that they go out and do it. Convenient how this allows him to stay home, not have to travel on "crusades" like Billy Graham, and yet coincidentally match his own definition. And he made lots of little speeches about how much he cared for "his people" and watched out for them- and arranged little demonstrations and displays of same- and in private screamed at them when things were imperfect, and raped the women. Meanwhile the shepherd gives his life for the sheep, and the word for "pastor" comes from the word for "shepherd." It's almost like vpw was embarassed by Christ's example of same, and avoided the Gospels for that reason. So, depending on how clever vpw was that week, he left people thinking that he was a minister with all 5 "gift ministries", like that made him five times the minister everyone else was.

While I'm on the subject, let's have a moment to discuss the stratified society that was/is twi, and the pecking order, and who salutes who. We had the spiritual empties-those who never took the class, or weren't born again, depending on who was teaching that night and in what year. We had people in twi but hadn't taken the foundational (pfal) class. We had people who took the foundational, but not the intermediate. We had people who took the foundational and intermediate, but not the advanced class. See, here's where my own chart breaks down. There were wows and advanced-class grads. There were coordinators of various types. There was the college division. Ok, to the twig coordinator saluted to the branch coordinator, who saluted the territory coordinator, who saluted the limb coordinator, who saluted the regional coordinator, who saluted the trunk coordinator, who saluted the bod. THAT part's easy to see. But where did the other positions-like worldwide outreach-fit in? Where did those other positions fit? What about the reverends? Recognized corp? wows that went twice? And other stuff I've never heard of?

Here's what twi used. Ephesians 4:10-12. " 10He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) 11And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;" And in some twi doctrine (pfal proper), all Christians had "Christ in them" and were fantastic. HOWEVER, AFTER that, then you get into the hierarchy, and the gift ministries mentioned there- Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers- were part of the hierarchy.

Sharon answered mine- "Blitzkrieg Bop." (By the Ramones and covered since then.) Ca Dreaming may have answered hers correctly.

No, I just named your song, and posted another (hetero).

Next song. "They're forming in a straight line They're going through a tight wind The kids are losing their minds"

I'm not sure, but I think the answer to both is the same. PDF stands for "Portable Document Format." It squeezes down document files into a smaller format, a bit. Apparently, some people consider PDFs as superior for posting a document rather than as a .doc or whatever. Further, since people can make .docs look pretty, but they take up a lot of resources compared to a .txt file of identical content, trimming down their requirements is a handy thing. Then pdf readers like Adobe Acrobat can be used to read them, and blow up the page, or whatever. That's as best I can figure it.

Ok, this one's Don Henley's "Heart of the Matter". I forget whether that or "End of the Innocence" is the title-song for the album. But "End of the Innocence" is a LOT better-known.

Young Frankenstein Gene Hackman the Quick and the Dead

Just to make it official, CORRECT. It's got a lot of clever little lines.

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Yes, it was me. Raf misplaced his copy and forgot the name, and asked for one. I recommended this one, and he said it was the one he had been using previously. I've been resisting the urge to bring that up on this thread, so thanks for putting me out of my misery. :)

Scholar: one who has completed a properly-accredited set of coursework with the accompanying degrees. Non-Scholar: one who has not. It's like the difference between a surgeon and a nut with a set of surgical tools. Would you let someone perform major surgery (or minor surgery, for that matter) on you without knowing their qualifications? Would you trust your lawsuit or defense to a guy who does not have a legal degree in plain sight in his office? Entirely different question between "devilishly-influenced" and "eyes of understanding enlightened." That's a subject for Doctrinal. Since this is "about the way" and not "about the RCC" or "about the LDS",we could ask either in the Doctrinal forum at most, but neither is "about the way." Oversimplifying truth is how people get fooled. The Devil quoted Scripture to Jesus. Can't get more "True" than Scripture. Was what the Devil said, then, truth? If you want to get into this, again, Doctrinal. It still blows my mind that some people seek to excuse the capital offenses committed by-and advocated by- vpw, but can strain at a gnat as to how many people were crucified when Jesus was. The only cross that mattered on that hill was the one Jesus was on. Some of the posts certainly are. However, the staff won't stop you from posting no matter how much your posts exemplify it. They're made of finer clay.

I thought it was worth bringing up again. Some people keep forgetting how vpw was always friends with "the greatest" everythings in the world and so on. So, worth looking at, at the very least, I thought. (Perhaps you disagree. Perhaps you're right.)

Recollections from 1981-1984, anyone?

What was vpw's idea of a great Christian layman? Would you believe Howard Allen?

Hey, it's ok. All the regular posters have posted stuff they later regretted. Nobody's got a perfect batting average. And so on. Pull up a chair. Have some spring water.

" 'E' is for 'Er-gent'!!!" "Four scores and 32 bars ago, our forefathers.." "A quartet?" "...And foremothers..." "Another quartet?" "Sshh!" "What's that?" "SSSSHHH!!" "Good plan." "It's all in the mind."

[WordWolf in boldface and brackets.] [Hm, what did Wigglesworth say? http://windandfire.org/2005/Main/Spiritual...igglesworth.htm "Smith Wigglesworth placed great emphasis on purity and holiness, like all true Revivalists. He said, "You must every day make higher ground. You must deny yourself to make progress with God. You must refuse everything that is not pure and holy. God wants you pure in heart. He wants you to have an intense desire after holiness... Two things will get you to leap out of yourselves into the promises of God today. One is purity, and the other is FAITH, which is kindled more and more BY PURITY." This one statement contains what is probably the key secret to Smith Wigglesworth's outstanding success in God. And it is obviously a key that is well worth remembering for us also. Another point to remember is that Smith was very aware of the dangers of money, and guarded himself carefully against the possibility of covetousness entering in. He was truly beyond reproach in this area also." Smith Wigglesworth was BEYOND REPROACH, beyond any coveting of money, and emphasized PURITY. You insult Wigglesworth by invoking his name in the same breath as a man who showed pornographic videos to his students, raped members of his congregation and covered his tracks, drugged members of his congregation and covered his tracks, exposed himself to members of his congregation, made arrangements to do all the above, and presented the quality work of other Christians as his own.] [Oh, and welcome to the GSC. Please read the pinned/sticky topic which you've obviously ignored. When you play baseball, you play by the baseball rules. When you play GSC, you play by the GSC rules. Please review the GSC rules.]