Stayed Too Long

Perhaps 'threats' is to harsh a word; how about actions?

Since Mrs Wierwille's children are/were no longer affiliated with TWI and hence do not live on grounds, what kinds of threats would have been appropriate, in your opinion, to "lean on the signator"?

"In principle" all the land and buildings belong to the Way International. Oakspear summed it up pretty well: Either the four owner's of the property didn't understand the law about corporations, or did, and felt it was the best way to proceed. No matter which, none of the Wierwille children are entitled to anything. To think other wise is incorrect. The Way has insisted it was the Wierwille family who had Mrs Wierwille placed in the nursing home and at no cost to them. No one from the Wierwille family has disupted this claim. J.P. has leveled this and other charges against TWI, so he could counter them if he wanted to. Even though TWI has hurt many people, accusing them of not taking care of Mrs Wierwille is unfounded. And to say the Wierwille children have some right "in principle" to the ancestral homestead is simply not accurate. If it were, if you purchased a piece of property, the seller's children could come forward and claim the property as theirs "in principle".

Misery? That is the sorriest excuse I have heard yet! "I am miserable so I will rape my neighbor."

An older woman in our fellowship died and the corp guy told every one in the twig when they could visit her in the funeral home, visit her family, and what food items to bring after the funeral. We were told not to contact her family, who were also in the twig, unless instructed to by him. At the funeral he showed absolutely no emotion, rushed through the service, and allowed no one to linger for a minute. We were rushed to the grave yard, had a quick service, and told to meet at the families home for a meal. After the meal we were told to immediately leave, and let the family work out the loss. I don't recall anyone helping the family afterwards deal with their loss, or even discuss it. Absolutely horrible.

I think many believe God's love and Satan's wrath revolves around the United States. Usually it takes an event happening in the U.S. for this type of thinking to begin. Bombs can be dropping in another part of the world, destroying life and property daily. Leaders in bukoo countries can be killing thousands of their people. Storms much, much bigger than what is going on now in New Orleans happen with loss of life and property much worse. But rarely a discussion of Satan causing all the destruction. Let something happen in the United States though and suddenly satan is alive and well.

If it was only VPW who wanted to turn the family farm into TWI, it never would have happened. Harry was right beside him all the way. VPW and Harry bought Rueben's(sp) interest, so he did not care to pass his land onto his heirs.

"Woman and men of old" were baby boomer's parents, pre WWII moms and dads. Us 'boomers' changed it all.....burned draft cards and bras, made love not war, tuned in, turned on, and dropped out. Decided any belief or practice done pre 60's, including being "men and woman of old", was from the "establishment", and to be destroyed. Woman became "liberated" and decided men were only needed for sex, and an occasional doobie. This certainly didn't go against the grain of most men, as sex was now free for the taking. Knights in shining armour were discarded for nights of free love. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am was the order of the day. No complaints from men....and none from the ladies...for awhile. Then liberated woman morphed into "feminists" and sex again had to have some "meaning" behind it. So what I am saying is: Men are after one thing! For the past 40 years that "one thing" has been free. You woman conditioned us that way.

Men of old were attracted to woman of old. How many of them do you think are around? Cook, iron, wash, ........

I agree and think all you cruel people should ask youself WWJD? Maybe you would come up with a little compassion and understanding for this poor soul.

Glad you are feeling so much better Jim.

That is how I describe being a 'pit stop'. Not talked to much, stick around long enough to wash her clothes, and head out again. varoooom, varooooom varooooom.....gone!

You talking about GS, work, a relationship, life????

What I used to do all night now takes all night to do.

Amazing!! I never realized how many people with common sense actually took PFAL. The rest of us were, "The Few. The Proud. The Marooned."

Within Christianity there is divison concerning almost every verse. If you are Catholic it doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not, if you have a mortal sin on your soul when you die you will spend eternity in hell. And if you die with a venial sin on your soul you will go to pergatory until you are cleansed enough to enter heaven. Some Christian religions say you must live a Christ like life to get to heaven. If you don't you will go to hell when you die. Others say all you have to do is believe Jesus is Christ and that God raised him from the dead, and you can live any life system you like, and yet you will go to heaven. If I choose Christianity which one will you guarantee will get me to heaven?

A good description of my current belief. Definately not sure about who "God" is or does, has done in the past, or will do in the future. Waaaayyyyyyyyy too many belief systems out there to pin one down as "right".

That clears it up....thanks.

When you say "cats", is that referring to the feline type, or "hip or cool people"? Either way do you literally mean "Killed"?

too funny!! :)-->

My 18 year old is heading off to university in a few weeks. It is difficult as she prepares to leave and begin life on her own. But looking back when I was her age, the world beckoned. I was glad to get out of the nest and move on, and she is the same way. From about the timne she was 15 I really had little say in her life. She knew what she wanted in life and was going for it. She has always been responsible so I let her have the reigns. I was there for guidance when she needed it but she had her friends and preferred hanging out with them. I had to accept this and was quite difficult. My job as parent is over except for doling out money for school.

You don't come across as preachy. Thank you for your insight.

I have not read the bible since my TWI days because it is full of empty promises. Even before my M&A it was a real task to sit down with it, especially when preparing a teaching. It was difficult proclaiming something I no longer believed in. There are individual versus that are inspiring to me. But I do not look to it as guidance for living my life any more than I do a book of poetry. There are times when I think about verses in a situation, but I also use ideas from psychology books, or from something I heard in a movie.

It has been brought up as a point of discussion. Some people think sex is very personal and should only be uttered behind closed doors. But it gets plenty of air time.

I believe there is something to "the will to live" although it is not written in stone. If it were a stead fast rule then passt cancer patients would still be alive because most did not want to die. Some went to other countries to receive experimental therapies. Most fought it to the end. On the other hand I have seen a spouse die and soon the other one goes also of no apparent reason. During WWII and the Baaton death march, many survivors said it was just their will to live that kept them going. They wanted to see their families again.