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Even Mike admits that God couldn't have REALLY given victor a promise audible to his natural ears. And in 1942 victor had yet to learn his lo shontas -- SIT are a prerequisite to revelation, right? Yeah, even according to Mike's "logic" it didn't happen.

After that we'll sing "A Mighty Principle Is Our God."

From: https://thewayinternational.com/operating-the-gift-of-holy-spirit/ So my question then becomes did they edit out the great principle to elminate the obvious fallacy that God who is spirit can only talk to that which he is: spirit. I checked the collaterals and PFLAP book and didn't explicitly find the great principle so I am assuming it was relegated to the DTA class (which is defunct AFAIK), or the Advanced class as that was the last place I remember seeing it laid out in detail. So is TWI whitewashing the great principle too? Or are they just letting the cat out the bag a little at a time and then setting the hook later in the pflap class series with that erroneous garbage: That God who is Spirit can only communicate with that which he is spirit and that spirit in turn teaches our fleshly minds, something God couldnt do...yeah...

It allows the devotee to do, or at least think, what they want without a sense of shame or guilt.

Yeah, sure. But, if you're spiritually mature, you can renew your mind to it being OK, because we're in the Grace Administration. (Do I need to add this.../s?)

Exodus 20:15 thou shalt not steal. Does that clear it up for you?

There was ONE BOOK. It SUPPOSEDLY was about training a dog by punishing him heavily when he disobeyed and rewarding him a little if he obeyed. vpw said that same book was good for raising dogs, and for raising children. vpw knew nothing about doing either. He'd done little of either, and was bad at both. Nobody would have taken him seriously, except the lies that claimed he had a God-given authority had deceived people.

Perhaps because TWI's corporate culture has ALWAYS been about proclaiming that they are RIGHT. Mistletoe Mike, of course, for more than two decades now has consistently demonstrated more concern with being RIGHT than he is about LIVING the two greatest commandments?

Vain babblings...

Well..I don't know specifically what did or didn't happen that day but when u connect the dots vpw excluded his wife often enough cause he was a serial adulterer at best...I'm being nice.

I haven't read the article yet but the name of it makes me think of a few of vp's quotes from "The Way - Living in Love" that T-Bone posted earlier. ”The next morning, I still hadn’t left town. I went to breakfast at the hotel…a woman came over to me, and said, ‘I think God sent a man here to meet your need. Meet me at 9 a.m.’ I thought, ‘Women never tell the truth.’ ‘There aren’t going to be any women around when I get the holy spirit.’ then Stiles turned to his wife and said, ‘Honey, I’m going with VP.’ She said something to him like, ‘How long will you be?’ And he said, ‘That’s none of your business.’ That was it, my opinion of him as a man went up 99 percent. His stature increased in my eyes, just from the way he handled her.” What a mean male chauvinist pig he was.

https://www.heraldopenaccess.us/openaccess/dissociation-and-confabulation-in-narcissistic-disorders The Way was sets of mirrors of VPW's internal world. He was missing a developed ego, in Fruedian terms. He had to think, emote, behave and need in ways others do not.

1) dilemma for whom? After more than three decades out of that mud pit, I'm convinced that most all of what Victor Wierwille taught us was bull$hit. 2) Many of us were primed as children to accept the framing in which he presented his bull$hit. 3) There are several reasons "we couldn't even recognize it..." 4) Wierwille told us what amounts to an origin story of his flavor of Christianity. Stories are endemic to humanity and provide a framework around which we build our understanding of life and its many aspects. Here's a brief story of my own. Early in my life as a follower of Victor Wierwille, I watched The Exorcist. It freaked me out in several ways. Perhaps most importantly in that my worldview at the time accepted that STORY as a reflection of reality. In the roughly four decades since my first viewing of that movie, I've learned about how important stories (true or not) are to humans. Recently, I decided to view that movie again, online. I now look at it through a different lens. It's a freakin' story. It's not a depiction of reality. It, therefore, didn't freak me out. But it did put my adult life, and plenty of things I picked up in Victor Wierwille's subculture (cult) in a different perspective. That it took me as long (multiple decades) to UNLEARN wierwillism causes me sadness. But knowing that the obstacle is (actually) the way, I'm thankful for the journey. Because now I can write with legitimate insight about how cults can trap young people.

The Way, in general, and certainly Loy in particular, looked at it all as a war. To say Martindale was unbalanced was/is a massive understatement.

Now that's an insult to potatoes! ("Slug" is what I've always thought.) I endured two years of in-rez "training" under his leadership. Sure, it was just after the "fog years" and he was working out his angst after the damage done by Chris Geer (a particularly nasty piece of work), but it was all yell, yell, yell. At Corps Nights, at lunchtimes, not quite so noisily at Sunday Night Services, but defo at prep for SNS; very little quiet time with him. On one occasion we were given permission to watch ??the superbowl? - not a thing I know anything about, not interested in (not an American), it was offered as an option not an order, so I did something else. Next day, everyone got a yellfest. If he suggested something, we ought to know to do it. We would learn something from it, and we would learn something about ... him. Cuz he was such a great player, or some such. This business about gays: he ranted on about that lifestyle so very much. Several men were kicked out on this pretext while I was in rez. (One, I know, certainly didn't have any homo instincts (blushes)). You don't say what year the incident you reference took place. I'd assumed that his rants were linked in some way with his wife's affair with Rosie, but maybe his hatred of homosexuals predated that - maybe that's what drove his wife into Rosie's arms? I neither know nor care. I emerged from my battering with TWI with a lot of emotional damage, years of hurt, and a loathing of homosexuals and their devilishness. I visited a city I didn't know and got badly lost. An obvious, camp, homosexual saw that I was struggling, offered help and walked me a couple of streets to an area where I could get to where I needed to go. Such kindness! I felt I'd never had such wanton kindness by TWI leadership. It was the start of dismantling that manufactured prejudice; pre-TWI homosexuality was not a thing I'd known anything about before. Glad to say that I go to a loving church now where everyone from anywhere is honestly welcome. Bizarre, isn't it. We "learned" about "devil spirits" from leaders packing the biggest DS (or is that, BS?) that you could imagine. Big ones turning on little ones. LCM and his nutsy ideas of "tough love" and protecting other people, pah! The crazy fool wouldn't know the love of God if it were the only thing left on the planet.

“The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones.” William Shakespeare---- Julius Caesar (Act 3/Scene 2)