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What experience with churches today exactly do you have? Aren't you one of the ones that isolated and studied PFAL collaterals for a decade plus not attending churches? In my experience the trinity is not really discussed, taught, or really dwelt on at all in churches today. Thus difficult to make it the biggest problem with churches today. Looking back from my experience, it looks more like VPW was looking for a bone to pick with mainstream Christianity because nobody was paying attention to his plagiarized material cobbled together class, or at best taking it and going back to

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I would agree with you to a point, Bol. I think that what often causes people to do bad things is not so much the Trinity as thinking they have the one, the only, in big capital letters, TRUTH. Proof? How many of us were convinced Saint Vic was the MOG for our day and time? How many of us thought every word coming out of Saint Vic's mouth came from God's mouth to Saint Vic's ear? Then we took PLAF and were convinced we had the truth, and by-gum the rest of the world was going to listen. How many of us do you think challanged local priest, ministers and rabbis?

The Holy Trinity 1. Treat people the way you would like them to treat you. 2. Help those in need when it's possible to do so. 3. Have fun while you can, 'cause fate's an awful thing.

He knows EXACTLY why he was fired. He played the “victim” with his response.

Robs, because you are trolling for money. DWBH told you in a nice way, for him, the GSC is not here for your Julien Institute. If you want to discuss issues, fine. If you are here to find customers for your Institute, I would rather not have anything to do with you.

Bol, bingo!!!! I don't believe in the Trinity, but I don't dwell on it all day. If others want to believe it, that is their business. I am much more concerned about important things, like if people have jobs, food, and homes to abide in.

We're not really trying to prove or disprove existence of anything in this thread. If many people over generations talk about it, that's good enough. It exists. Do the various views of trinity/non-trinity affect your views of the world and therefore your thoughts and behavior?

The topic is communalism, not socialism. I could easily rebut your editorial comments on economics but that wouldn't be proper for this website.

From the Billy Graham thread in Open: From my understanding of the Trinity, these verses don't prove or disprove them. The Trinity is three states same essence: it often been described as like water: it can be steam, water, or ice. It's all H2O. Using that model, you can see how your two verses fail to prove or disapprove the Trinity. They both mention two of the three states, yet both have the same essence. No, as I said, people start with preconcieved notions, then want to read their notions into scripture. Objectivity--which involves seeing both sides--shows

Does Jesus still have scars in his new body? The nail mark thing going on in the hands and feet? Or were they able to get that healed up? Wouldn't that present a problem during a normal handshake? Hey sorry that feels weird, but you know, I'm Jesus. Actually, I have heard teachings addressing that saying he had a resurrected body like Christians are supposed to get at his return, then during the ascension he changed into spirit. Now I do like Perry Mason, and I do like Buffy the Vampire Slayer also, but is the Trinity a vampire where we need lots of garlic and wooden stakes? O

So to address a more general phrase of that question "was blood necessary" ? At all? yes the shedding of blood of the lamb was necessary for the atonement of sin from the OT law. Was that OT law from "God-breathed" or "man's idea"? Well I can record 10 commandments directly God breathed, upon tablets. Outside of that, you have another element. The human brain. But either way, scripture had to be fulfilled. The way I look at the human brain kind of involves an electrical circuit. If you picture God's pure idea and intent traveling around a copper wire circuit like electricity it h

We've certainly been hopping around like we haven't a carrot in the world.

Also from the Police Files: A break in at the police station resulted in all the toilet seats being stolen. Police have nothing to go on.

The notion that Job was guilty of "negative believing" is Wierwillian fantasy, utterly absent from the Book of Job unless you want to make the wailing cries of a man who lost his family into doctrine.

Also from the Police Files: Domestic disturbance at the Tarts residence; Pop-Tarts was very upset with Mom-Tarts for dressing their daughter like a little tart.

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And to make matters worse they put him in a Duracell ...