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Oh, my! Shouldn't this be on the "believing" thread? (Just kiddin' with you. Hope you know that.)

There is a place in Piffle where he uses essentially the same technique. It may be the "new birth" session but I'm not sure. He says something like, "If a man wants to be STUPID it's his prerogative.", implying that if you are in disagreement with what he is saying at that point, you must be "STUPID!" I am pretty sure it is also in the PFAL book as well. Perhaps one of the posters who is more familiar with the intricacies of piffle can offer more detailed information.

Nope.

Gee, and all this time I thought it said Peaches. Maybe you've got something there about this memory thing.

John I'm sure you must be familiar with the old saying," You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". Why do you feel it is necessary to attack this poster on a personal level rather than simply ask them to offer some scriptural basis for their statement? Better yet, if you feel so strongly that the statement was incorrect, perhaps you could offer some scriptural evidence to refute it yourself. I'm just sayin'------

Didn't he used to brag that he came from a long line of hard working farm people? I remember him talking about how hard farm life is and how,"Kids today don't know the meaning of hard work. Some of them don't even know which end of the shovel to dig with." What about all those farm chores that "Uncle Harry" said he used to skip out on?(TWLIL) Most very wealthy people don't grow up on farms in rural America shoveling pig poop. Come to think of it, though, some people grow up and become wealthy by "shoveling pig poop".

snip ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry, John, That is, indeed, what he taught in session #1 of PFAL. "FEAR IS BELIEVING" "What you fear, you will receive- it is a law" (page 3/ PFAL syllabus)

Lazlo Slocum??? :unsure:

"Uncle Harry" went into the furniture/ upholstery business. VP's brother Reuben became a hog farmer. There is nothing wrong with either of these vocations but they are a bit unusual pursuits for someone who grew up "wealthy".

Harmonica players I participate on a harmonica forum called "Harp-L". By way of this forum, I have found some really interesting postings on youtube. There is a guy named Jason Ricci, whose youthful appearance belies his experience, who has a whole series of harp lessons posted.(10 or 12/ I didn't count) These are really high quality advise from a guy who has been around the block. I haven't even had a chance to see them all yet but what I have seen is primo. It is a little hard to figure out the sequence they should be viewed in. In the ones that I have watched, he makes mention of two other sites that I have not checked out. They are:" tenhole.com" and "bendometer". Well, like I said, I haven't gone too far in exploring this, but what I have seen so far is really good. He mostly plays "cross" in his examples.(2nd position/ harp is a fourth away from key band is in.) Exception is his lesson on minors which he plays in 3rd and a bit of 1st.) Just wanted to pass that on for Jonny Lingo and Polar Bear and anyone else interested in harp.

WARNING!! Kinda off topic Remember when they sold novelty, "promises of God" checkbooks in the bookstore? They were pre-signed by "God" and you filled in the rest. Guess that was supposed to help your "believing" or something. (Or, maybe it was just more merchandise to market. <_< ) Man, I must be getting old if I remember stuff from that long ago!

May I point out the fact that not all victims of The Holocaust were Jewish? Furthermore, what of the many Americans, both Jewish and non-Jewish, who fought and died to liberate concentration camp inmates?(Jewish and non-Jewish) The scope of The Holocaust is far wider than museums and public recognitions. Wierwille placed a great deal of focus on his contention that the Jews, as a people and a nation, are somehow fraudulent and that we, the "born-again believers", have taken their place in God's grand scheme of time. It appears to me that there are really two distinct issues being intertwined with each other. 1. Was The Holocaust real? a. Were the victim estimates inflated? This question is historical in nature. 2. Did Wierwille teach that we(the "born-again believers" )are the "true" chosen people of God? This question is , by shear virtue of the definition of the word "anti", an issue of anti-Semitism. I would have to conclude that his teaching on this subject was anti-Semitic.

Well, here is what Dr. W. said about it in The Advanced Class on Power For Abundant Living.(pg.19) " All life is spirit, but not all spirit is eternal life spirit." "Any spirit to be manifested, shown forth, must be in a body." " A born-again believer may become afflicted with evil spirits. The spirits may affect or possess mind and/or body, but not the spirit." Scripture references given were Luke 3:16, Romans 4:3,11,16/9:6-8. Whew!!! Glad you didn't ask for my opinion on how much credibility he had!! edited to add a word( Oh my Gosh, Isn't that the one of the steps that the devil used to deceive Eve?!!!)

Ya know, here's the thing that kinda frosts my apricots. The original poster asked,"Did VPW really teach this"? By the time you get to the end of page #1, it's been changed to " I don't believe TWI taught this."( paraphrased) The poster did not ask what was taught in TWI, they asked, specifically if a particular person taught this.(VPW) Either he did or he didn't, it's really quite simple. Add a word, subtract a word, change a word--- what the heck, didn't ANYBODY pay attention to "Listening with a purpose"?

The "real" ones?

This thing has taken so many twist and turns and gone off on so many tangents, you would think there would be personal, anecdotal evidence out the yingyang. (good or bad) The key word here is personal, as in, "This actually happened to me as a result of the law of believing." I'm not gonna tell ya what I'm "believing" will happen. It's kinda like keeping your wish a secret as you break the "wishbone". Anybody?

I never heard VPW say "I hate the Jews." However, here is what I did hear him say: 1. The Holocaust was not real.( "If you don't believe it, read the recommended books.") 2. "The Jews of today are not the 'true' Jews."(" The Jews of modern times are descendants of Attila The Hun".) 3. " When God brings Israel back together, he won't use jet planes to do it" (This was in reference to the establishment of the nation of Israel after WWII.) 4."God gave up on Israel as being His 'chosen people' and that role now belongs to us."(TWI believers) ( Yes, those are quotation marks.) Nope, never heard him say, "I hate the Jews."

George! How did you find out about my Aunt Mabel's fruitcake? You're spookin' me, man. I was so afraid someone would find me out and now look what's happened!!! This stuff is real, I tell ya. I think you've even made a believer out of Ripley. (or not)

I was afraid someone would bring this up!! ;)

Well, let's see, now. We(FLO) had opening prayer and closing prayer at morning fellowship before our 5:30 run. (To insure a positive start to the day) That 2. Then, we had prayer before breakfast.(to insure the mush was cooked enough and the toast wasn't burnt) That's 3. (Skip the time spent at your day job. You didn't need to pray there, just witness and sell PFAL.) Then, Pray before evening meal.( to insure that the Swiss chard and red beets would meet all your dietary requirements) That's 4. Pray after evening meal (to insure that the evening's work would be "profitable".) That's 5. Pray after evening's work was finished(to insure a safe trip back to the compound.) That's 6. Pray before night twig. (To have the eyes of your enlightenment opened and your snores suppressed) That's 7. Pray after night twig( To insure you wouldn't have to go to a "house meeting" and pray some more) That's 8. 8x365 days=2,920x2 years= 5,840 (bare minimum group prayers) Nope.---Nothing ritualistic or cliche there that I can see. :asdf:

Would that be "rank" as in uninformed "sinner" or "rank" as in-----------"Oh, My!, This week old broccoli casserole sure is "rank"!! Never mind. I think I know the answer.

Ok-----I'm gonna flog the dead horse one more time. Or, for JonnyLingo and Templelady, "mush the dead sled dog". (On account of them bein' up there in Alaska and all that.) Anybody who stuck around TWI for any length of time knows that VeePee taught that if you were "born-again", you automatically qualified for a "sainthood certificate of authenticity". (ie: born-again=saint) Conversely, if you were not "born-again", you were a "sinner". (not the same thing as "one who sins", fortunately, because that would exclude a WHOLE lot of people, not the least of which is myself. Thus, " The 'law of believing' works whether it's operated by a "born-again believer" saint or a God rejecting lowlife, scum of the Earth "heathen" sinner." It just won't work if you happen to be a saint who is out of fellowship or can't get your believing up. :wacko: Sigh!!!----------This sainthood stuff really ain't all it's cracked up to be. edited to say: Ben Dare, Dundat!

"Pardon me, sir, exactly what part of ---'GEEZE!, You're Dumb SOB!'--- didn't you understand?" ;) Come on, now, you know you wish you could say it at least once!

Abi So sorry you were treated that way. I don't know what else to say except that you and your Mom and family deserved so much more.

GreaseSpot is more like a tavern than a cafe, no?