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Timothy Leary's dead!! No! No! He's outside looking in! Oh. Sorry. The answer is : Legend of the Mind----------The Moody Blues (astral traveling was never all it was cracked up to be.)

Sudo----------You are cor-ect. Bette Nesmith Graham invented "cor-ection fluid" and founded the Liquid Paper Co. in 1951. In 1966, Bic introduced a "new and improv-d" version called "Wite Out". "White Out" has become the generic term for "cor-ection fluid". (This post has been typ-d and edit-d by a blonde) :) "You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent."

I heard an interview with Michael Nesmith a couple of years ago on NPR( Terry Gross' show) He is a fascinating guy. Back in the day, he developed a show for the Nickalodeon Network called "Pop Clips". The show evolved and was sold to another network and eventually became what is now MTV. He said he never watches it because it has drifted so far from his original vision. He also developed a full length video called "Elephant Pants" which I think may have been the very first full length video. At any rate, he won the very first Grammy for "Video of the Year" for that work. T.G. asked him if he his memories of his days as a Monkey were good or bad and he said they were neither good nor bad, they just "were", like his memories of being in fifth grade. Every couple years he hosts some kind of summit with world experts to explore answers to problems that have global significance. Pretty lofty perch for a former teen idol in a wool cap. Added trivia: His mother invented "Wite-Out".

I don't know how many guitaresses are at GSC but here is the short end of a long list of some that are worthy of discussion : 1) Joanna Conner 2) Deborah Coleman 3) Debbie Davies 4)Del Ray 5)The late Etta Baker OOPS!-----Almost forgot Bonnie( Does she really need a last name anymore?)

Thanks! You can never be too careful. Those dirty,commie,pinko rats could cut off the worlds' supply of beef jerky at a moments' notice! I can do all things through my -------MALpack--------Which strengtheneth me.

Whenever Ted Ferrell sang it he always "brought down the house". (That's a GOOD thing for those not familiar with the phrase.)

O.K.--------Call me naive or guilty if you wish, but I find myself using that phrase from time to time. When I use it I am expressing an uncertainty regarding the result of my actions or statements. More accurately what I am saying is" I am unsure what it is that I did or said to offend you but I am offering this apology as a symbol of my remorse". Of course if I really phrased it like that it would probably draw some blank stares because no one talks like that in 2006. Maybe it would be more appropriate to phrase it as a question."Did I do or say something that offended you?"(followed by an apology for the offense.) Again, the language is a bit bulky for modern day conversation. I used to drive my Dad nuts with"Ya Know?" of course I wasn't really inquiring whether or not he" knew", I was using an idiom that was peculiar to that day and time. Maybe we read too much into the use of this expression that is so commonly used today----Ya Know?

The first one is Beverly Sills. That's all I got.

Ain't that how life goes? Just when you decide to get serious, everybody else wants to monkey around.

Yes,Virginia, there is a Santa Clause.

Mr. Radio Man "I don't want to go back to the olden days" Be thankful. There are some amongst us who never left them. P.S." Mr". sounds so formal. Do you friends call you "Skip"?

What's a MALPack?

When I took the PFAL class, three areas of study that were stressed extensively were: !.) figures of speech 2.) the seven administrations 3.) the "great mystery" revealed in Ephesians. All three (and others as well ) can be found in Bullingers' writings. Yet, when I heard VPW teach them, he most definately implied that the origins of these ideas were unique to him(VPW) and made no attempt to convince anyone otherwise. It was presented by the local leadership as some sort of miraculous coincident that Bullinger too had arrived at the four crucified conclusion(Which for those inclined to do some legwork, has been academically discredited right here on GSC.) Even that in itself would nullify the claim that no one else had seen these things since the first century. When I became a class instructor, one thing we were told to specifically do after the session on "four crucified" was to instruct the students to NOT repeat this teaching to outsiders. It may have even been in the instructors syllabus(I don't recall.) The students were told that if outsiders got wind of this and wanted to know more they were to sign them up for "the class" and let VPW present it.Pleasant memories of times spent in The Way have absolutely no bearing on the fact that these teachings were not acceptably credited nor were they uniquely shown to VPW as they had not been shown for millenia. In summary, VPW intentionally failed to give proper credit for others' work and the claim that no one had seen these things since the first century was an out and out falsehood. (Yes, we had some good times and yes, we learned some lessons that were beneficial ) I only added that last part about good times and beneficial lessons so that if someone were so inclined they could cut and paste it out of context.

Moryan--------You have asked some very pointed questions about particular beliefs. I am not currently involved with The Way so my answers are gleaned from past experiences. 1.)Anti-Depressants-----Definately taboo based on a number of beliefs involving : a)Devil spirit possesion being invited by pharmaceutical usage. b)Using the "law" of believing to reach a goal of healing. 2.)Drinking------not o.k. for rank and file but practised to extremes by upper level "leadership" ("Dr." Wierwille had a severe alcohol addiction which is well documented on this site. It ultimately contributed to his demise.) 3.)Anti-Semetics----As far as VPW (Victor Paul Wierwille) was concerned, followers of "The Way" were the chosen people of God and the Jews are a counterfit, not even connected to the Chosen ones of Biblical times who Wierwille said had been abandoned by God.(In not so politically correct terms he despised the Jews and RC's) 4.)Tithing-----10% was Old Testament. Not nearly as good as "sons of God " could do today. Why not 15 or 20 %?( or anything in excess of current needs?) And these are recollections of how it was before things got REALLY bad!(If you get my drift)

Never been part of CES. Have no desire to be. But a "council on prophesy"?!! Gimme a break. Isn't there already more than enough prophesy in the scripture than anyone could possibly hope for that enlightens us on how to live a good and Godly life? My Mom always taught us kids (and later taught her twig) that God loves you for who you are,right here and now. Don't need a bunch of prophesy or in depth research to understand that. Just need to accept it and make it part of daily life by loving one another.

Moryan Maybe it's the skeptic in me, but do you also find it a bit curious that members of her family have severed ties with The Way and yet she still holds fast to her allegiance to the group? When I was involved, people who left the group were considered "cop-outs". The terminology,of course, has changed over time but they are still regarded as the lowest of the low because they once knew "The Truth" and have forsaken it.(This is their take on the situation, not mine.) We were told to invite them back twice or maybe three times(I don't remember now) and if they did not change their minds we were to "shake the dust off our feet". (Move on with the work of "the ministry"and forget about them.) If people she has known all her life are not able to reach her sense of reason, it is unlikely you have much of a chance. Perhaps, as one poster has suggested, she sees you as a knight in shining armor who can validate her desire to leave. Or, as another has suggested, perhaps she sees you as a "trophy" that will vindicate her association with her "earthly,natural family"(Their descriptors,not mine). Then again, maybe she is just confused about where she should invest her commitment. I suppose there is a fourth possibility, and that is that she is truly "sold out" to The Way. I can't tell you what to do but if you should decide to investigate by attending fellowships, be very(and I mean VERY careful about what you decide to accept of their teachings.) Incidently, when I was involved, The Pope, Bishops,Cardinals,etc. were considered to be "born of the seed of Satan" which is a permanent, unforgivable sin.(In their theological world) You have shown a great deal of personal integity,in my opinion ,by trying to sort this out in a caring and logical manner. For this I commend you.

When I was first introduced to The Way about 35 years ago, it was by a small group of young people who were out "witnessing"(recruiting). Almost immediately, one young lady in the group took a special interest in me and we began a one on one relationship that was platonic but personal and intense. She signed me up for "the class" and personally "undershepherded" me. At about the midway point of the class(Which at that time was a total commitment of three weeks of time) I discovered quite by accident that she was actually the fiance of the person conducting the class. All these people(except the other students ) were completely aware of the deception that was being perpetrated. By this time(and we're only talking about a few weeks) I was already so sold on the "ministry" that I considered my relationship to her secondary to The Way and this amazing new take on life that they offered. Now, I'm not suggesting this is what has happened in your case. What I am asking though is whether an organization that would use such dubious tactics is one that you would want to become a part of? And yet I stayed for too many more years than I care to admit! That's how powerful mind control can be.

Ryan Welcome to The Cafe. The reason she refuses to even consider what you are saying is easy to explain. That is what she was programmed(notice I did not say taught) to do in session #7 of the Power For Abundant Living class. If she was a student of the newer version of the foundational class, she undoubtably got this same information but,not being a student of that version, I couldn't tell you where in that class it is presented. In essense, the teaching states that to even question what has been taught will lead to a downfall just as surely as it led to a downfall for Eve in the garden of Eden. It is(imo) a precurser to mind control and self delusion. It is a hard concept to overcome because,after all, the person feels that to even weigh the value of THAT teaching in itself could lead to their downfall. Ryan, there are some folks here who severed their ties with The Way many, many years ago and yet some still struggle with the idea of considering what they were taught with an open and inquistive mind. It is highly unlikey she will change her dedication to her beliefs without a lot of concentrated effort and a willingness to consider she may have been taught some things that were false. You can't "keep you mouth shut and grit you teeth" forever. From what you have posted, it does not appear that you are asking her to question God but rather a cult that claims to have the inside track. "Get on the bus, Gus and get yourself free!". That's just my opinion.

Yep, that would make me the oldest. I still remember the whole neighborhood coming outside at the same time to catch a glimpse of Sputnik :( Oh, it was Edd Byrnes(2 "d"s and an "s") Kookie was the nickname for his characters' real name which was Gerald LLoyd Kookson III.

Grandpaw, we got a new kitty cat! (Oh, that's nice!) It's a boy cat, wanna know how I can tell? (OK.) It's got whiskers!

If WTH had simply put "---------" around all but the phrase "That is the law of believing" and then stated "That is the law of believing", it would give an entirely different meaning to the post. It would then be simply a statement of description rather than a personal defense of the premise. I have no idea if that was WTHs' intent. Perhaps WTH can rejoin the discussion and clarify that point.

Are you saying you are not ready to answer it now? If not now, then when?

I only know about that stuff 'cause my Grandpaw told me. :)

It's never really Christmas without Clarence Carters' "Backdoor Santa". WARNING!-----Not intended for "family" listening.

Groucho------I must humbly disagree with you in comparing him to Jim Jones,Charley Manson and David Duke. ( The general public actually HEARD of those guys.)