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Pond-------It might seem at first glance that you and I are at odds in this line of thinking. This is not necessarily the case. One of the purposes that breathing serves is to receive oxygen and to release carbon dioxide. If a person is being mechanically assisted in this process via a respirator, the process is still taking place. This might be likened to a person using crutches to walk. Crutches or not, they are still walking. A fetus,however, partakes of this oxygen/carbon dioxide exchange by way of the placenta. The two blood systems never actually co-mingle. Some(including VPW) have even argued that this explains why GOD is refered to in the masculine gender but that is another topic altogether. A change in fluid pressure between the left and right side of the heart is what sets the external breathing process into motion. Now before you think we are at odds again, please consider this: Lev. 17:11 says the life of the flesh is in the blood. The fetus does indeed have blood. The question is this: Is this blood the same as that being referenced in Leviticus?

Was Marian Ross in the cast?

Lev.17:11, not 17:1.(mistyped)

I offer the following not as an answer but a point of consideration.------Lev. 17:1 states that the life of the flesh is in the blood.-----When a fetus is in the womb, the blood of the mother and fetus are seperated by the placenta which acts as a go-between to facilitate transfers of oxygen, nutrients, and waste. There is an internal passageway in the heart that allows for blood to circulate in the fetus while at the same time bypassing the still nonfunctional lungs. When birth takes place, this passageway is sealed due to pressure differences that take place at that time At this point an adult type of flow through the heart is established and the lungs switch from bypass to service mode. Perhaps this is yet another piece of the first breath thinking . --------

Add to that list, Dealing With The Adversary(DWA). I think they were green. When I was studying for a license in a building trade, we had to be able to cite code word for word. Once you had your license,though, noone really cared if it was "Section 145; yada yada yada" . The proof of your comprehension was in the finished product. There are lots and lots of tradesmen who can turn out top notch work without quoting the code book but I'll bet they can find it in the book if the need arrises.

A couple years ago I got an XM radio to listen to at work. One of the cd's being featured on the blues channel about six months ago was "Bronx in Blue" by Dion(remember Dion & The Belmonts?) It is acoustic and is , for the most part, solo except for some background percussion. Mostly blues standards and one Hank Sr. tune. The guitar has a very rich, full sound. His website states it is a Martin SP-000C-16E. I admit to not really knowing Martin guitars very well but this one sure sounds sweet. It's worth a listen.

CK----I probably should have put this on the guitar thread but there is just something nostalgic about Dion. His new release is called"Bronx in Blue". It is a solo effort with a hint of percussion behind him. His website says he is playing a Martin SP-000C-16E. All I know is that it's got a great sound. I wish I were more computer savvy, I'd post a sample if I were. It's almost all covers of old blues staples like "Statesboro Blues, "Crossroads", etc." The high point ,in my opinion is "I Let My Baby Do That."

Speaking of Eric Burdon, he recently released a new album /cd. OK if that's not nostalgic enough, how about this. Both Dion ( Yep, that Dion) as well as Elvin Bishop both had new releases in the past year. All three very worthy endeavors and well worth a listen.

HMMMMMMMM---------I wonder if Ruby knows this one? Maybe I'll take a gamble and ask her.

"I think they moved it to Montana."------------and raised a crop of dental floss!

dmiller---------Thanks for giving me a glimpse of what Robin was like. Some people live to be 100 and never have as much impact on the lives they touch. I'll bet she was as proud of you as you are of her. The first year is always the toughest because there are so many "firsts" without that person, the first turning of the leaves, the first snowfall, the first Christmas, and so on. Some day we will understand it all but for now we have each other and a pretty cool father who knows our hearts.

For what it's worth, I don't personally believe GOD ever intended for us to remember scripture in a word-for-word fashion. If he did, in what language would it be? Where would the punctuion go? What would the syntax be? Jesus Christ must have known a tremendous amount of what was in the scrolls and yet how often do we see him speak to people in ways that connect with their hearts and understanding rather than quote "green card # 37". If you remember that a soft answer turns away wrath, does it really matter where it is written? What's important is to act on it and then if you just have to know where it's written grab a concordance sometime. I remember once hearing that Einstein shunned the concept of rote memorization of such things as historic dates and state capitals. He said that's what books are for. He said he preferred to keep his mind uncluttered so he could focus on ideas and concepts. This is a poor paraphrasing at best , but that's the general idea. This is conjecture on my part, but I think what impressed your business partner was that your quote was so pertanent and came from an understanding of what it meant.---------Please take your songbooks now and turn to #----------------

"Hey! That's just a bag of sxxt"---------"Yes but it's really GOOD sxxt."-------------Firesign Theatre.

"If I had a rocket launcher---------" OOPS! I was headed for "Name That Tune"----- or was I?

Yup---------And it wasn't even "Sunday afternoon" yet.-----" You and me and Leslie"----hheee!

I would have responded earlier but I got busy and felt like "I couldn't get away too soon."

Sorry, G.St, G.------------The actual words are " You and me, endlessly---------"

When this song hit the charts in the mid 60's, it sounded like the group was describing a group activity that definately could not have received airplay at that time. It sounded as if they were singing " You and Me And Leslie"

I was tempted to name it but it felt like taking candy out of the mouths of sweet babies,James.

"Mistake by the lake"--------- Clevelanders definately know how to laugh at themselves.-----O.K. That and the fact that the Cuyahoga River became so polluted at one time that it actually caught fire and the flames consumed a bridge. WOW! that was about as far off topic as San Diego is from Cleveland.

RR ------You have to have a loud mouth in Cleveland just to be heard over the polka music and sound of pierogies frying. OH LORD! Now I've gone and ticked off the North Coasters! ------Cleveland Rocks!!

I remember the first time I heard that song. I was on the turpike from Stockbridge to Boston. It almost rocked me to sleep.

SF Sailor--------"They open their mouths and dumb comes out"--------Were you using "they" to refer to the legislative branch of Ohio gvt.?-------You might find a few more people in your corner if that was your implication.-----See There! Diagramming a sentence CAN come in handy.( A little humour there for the older crowd)

"Now kids, fight nice"---------one of my Mom's favorite directives.

After following this thread for a while it has occurred to me that perhaps we sympathize because we see a bit of ourselves in her. How many of us saw and heard things that we, in retrospect, should have acted on? How many of us did act but were ridiculed or condemned? Or even worse, made to think we were putting our loved ones very lives in jeopardy? How many of us bought into the fallacy that we just were not seeing the big picture? Maybe that's part of the lesson in "He who is without sin----------" When we understand why we did what we did or didn't do what we didn't do, maybe we will better understand our sympathies for Mrs. W.--------Just my opinion.