anotherDan

Oh, for cry-eye! (thanx, box!)

darn!

Very nice, bul!!!! Is she also the backup singer? Did you post another one from the album earlier?

We are experiencing technical difficulties... I will post again if I can fix it!

edit: I deleted an innane comment!

George, you may have to GOO GOOgle it, like we did! ^_^

Thanks, another spot, I appreciate that. Exactly, and the line of Paul's thought is brought to a grinding halt if we insert "as he [insert 'the man'] wills." Without that substitution of "the man" for the obvious "the spirit," we can now say (after also mangling "for to one..." sheesh!) that "all nine manifestations of the spirit are available to all believers." Keep studying, bro. 1 Corinthians 12 is clear as a bell to me, now. Still having a bit of trouble with chapter 14, though!

I agree that the fifth session was a very limited exposition of the message of "Christ in you, the hope of glory." It was totally directed, first, as an individual thing. "Does that make you a man or a woman, I should say so... throw your shoulders back and hold your head up high.... get outta the way, here comes a son of God!" (not an exact quote, OK? ... dang! I could use those brain cells for something else!) Again, I think this particular verse is talking about a corporate "in"---- i.e. "in" the Gentiles, or among them. In each of them, it is true, but that's not what it's talking about here. Where's that verse that says something like "don't you know that Jesus Christ is in you, except you be reprobate"? (Again, a paraphrase, perhaps) I agree that it's definitely not "two beings" -- holy spirit and Christ. The holy spirit is as much Christ as Christ is God (and as we all know... things equal to the same thing... I'M KIDDING!) Don't call ME a trinitarian! All the Father has is Christ's, and the Comforter "takes" from Christ's. But I don't know about this: I think "the Lord is that spirit," and as TBone said, "both."

It must be nice to have it so tidy and boxed up so pretty, like I used to have it (somebody else boxed Jesus up for me, and I "made it my own.") If it were in fact that way, I don't see why, when Jesus spoke of the Comforter he would send, he would say, "I wll not leave you comfortless; I will come to you." Again, we're talking "location." Is Jesus Christ in fact "up there" and not here? Just before Pentecost, some of Jesus' disciples saw him ascend up into heaven, and a cloud received him out of their sight. An angelic message was delivered to them. This same Jesus would come "in like manner as you have seen him go" into heaven. This refers, of course, to the event you're talking about, Oldies -- the day of the Lord, when he shall return... the Second Coming of Christ. He came the first time to preach the Kingdom, make known the Father through his words and works, fulfil the Law, bring grace and truth, and die for our sins, "and not for ours only," but also for the sins of the whole world. (You may add other important aspects of his first coming... I'm not claiming comprehensiveness... I suppose all the world could not contain the books... you get the idea. I hope I didn't leave out your favorite aspect). He's coming again with a mighty hand and a mighty host, and he's going to make the heavens and earth right again. Most of we who believe, I think, would agree that our times fall between those two events. Certainly, the lion is not laying with the lamb. It cannot be said that "there is no more sea," and that "every tear" is wiped away. That's future. But when Jesus said, "If I go not away..." he went on to say that this Comforter would come in his name, and again we have yet another unfinished discussion, including praying in his name, and whatsoever we do, doing it in his name. This is all "now" stuff. OK, these are not definitive answers, but I hope they are part of the answers. A number of the posts that followed my last were a real blessing to read. Forgive me if I don't acknowledge you all by name. Sunesis, there are some things I hope to get to later about your excellent post. Good points. "both ways" You described the personal well, with a good reference. There is also the corporate "in." And this is where I think the "Christ in you, the hope of glory" is pointing. Specifically, Paul is addressing the Gentiles, so the "you" is "you, Gentiles." That's why the reference to "this Mystery" is used, reminding us of the letter he wrote to the Ephesians (or as an encyclical... :P ) that the Gentiles would be fellowheirs, etc. of God's promise in Christ by the Gospel. all for now... I'm going back to reading... haven't finished the thread

It's definitely "in". I've given some thought over the years to Paul's startling terminology.... being "in" Christ and Christ being "in" us. It's spacial terminology. But it's describing something that transcends "location."

Thanks, T. That helps a lot. I think the "you" in "Christ in you" is plural, leading some translators to render it, "Christ among you." What do you think?

TBone, what's your best guess as to what Paul means by "Christ in you"? edit: great post, Socks!

I recommend reading a paperback book called The Blessed Hope. Subtitle: "A biblical study of the Second Advent and the Rapture" It's by George Eldon Ladd The idea of a pre-Tribulation "secret" coming, or Rapture, is a dispensationalist teaching. Quite recent. Christ coming FOR his saints and then WITH them. Doesn't hold water. Good discussion on parousia, etc.

I wonder what the musicians behind the boys were thinking... I don't think it was a Rhodes. Don't know what the keyboard was. Jim, you're right about the synths... the Rhodes had an electric pickup similar to a guitar pickup and vibration fork for each key. I bought one at a church yard sale for $25 once, and then let someone steal it from me for $800! Seems so long long ago, but I was "there." Thanks for sharing, socks!

don't let 'em wear makeup and carry a purse.... let 'em chase women, drink whiskey and curse!

I once read a paper or something on "the limited foreknowledge of God." I can't remember the details of it, I only remember critically reading it and thinking the writer had his lights on, but nobody was home. My best shot is that God knows the past, present, and future... one as perfectly as the other.

I actually gave money to a friend who was supposed to get me on some type of satellite radio, but he hasn't yet. And I'm not anxious in the least. Don't know if I'll have the time to listen to it. Then again, maybe I might. Nothing new under the sun? For me, Joni Mitchell said it all in 1973, but then again, she is a goofball... who believes Nietze?

chas, OMG that sounds almost awesome!

I agree with bul.... but I think maybe Abi is messin' with you somehow.... Abi, you are the devil!

chas: would you post recipes for your stew and potato soup?

I still think that nothing I can do can "make" God "change gears." God has a plan. There is no Plan B. I'm the vessel. He's the potter.

bulwinK: ditto to what Tbone and tonto said.

Tom Burke wrote it, and I don't think he is glad that he did. Do you want me to post the lyrics I remember?

right, Psalmie, I cried the second, third, fourth, and fifth time I saw it. Forwarded it to lots of folks who were touched deeply by it.

GOOgled it, and I know why I couldn't guess it.... I've never heard it. I had quite a few "fog years," radio-wise!