quote:Yes, twi, Jesus does walk and talk with us. He's the head of the church for crying out loud!!
Did anyone ever hear words from Jesus? As far as I know, he never spoke directly to me like I'm speaking to you now. Of course, I could have been distracted or not listening. I could be spiritually bankrupt.
quote:Did anyone ever hear words from Jesus? As far as I know, he never spoke directly to me like I'm speaking to you now. Of course, I could have been distracted or not listening. I could be spiritually bankrupt.
Oldies, did you ever directly hear any non-human "voice" speaking to you like I am speaking to you now? -- If so, did the voice specifically say, "Oldies, This is God speaking..." as oppossed to, "This is Jesus speaking ..."
Oldies, I wouldn't be too terribly concerned. It is doubtful that the absence of hearing voices is an accurate indicator of "spiritual bankruptcy".
quote:Did anyone ever hear words from Jesus? As far as I know, he never spoke directly to me like I'm speaking to you now. Of course, I could have been distracted or not listening. I could be spiritually bankrupt.
How does God talk to you? It's different and personal for each person.
At an AC in the 80s, several of us asked this question of the staff. Johnny Townsend came out before a session and said, essentially, we know some of them aren't accurate but it's the best we have. If someone would like to write hymns, let us know. "If you're going to complain, offer to help fix it."
We got a different answer back in residence when somebody asked the same question. We were told that although they knew that some of the songs were not "accurate" that since Dr was suct a sentimentalist, that he wanted to keep these songs because it reminded him of his old days in the church growing up. He did manage to change some of the lyrics to some of the songs, once common one is: "Amazing Grace"
They would have to take out half the songs in the Sing Along the Way book if they only put in ones that supported their doctrine.
I remember at one time during the LCM era I actually wished they would take all the ones about Jesus out. I thought it was idolatrous to sing most of those songs. How sick is that?
Yes wordwolf I realise that, but we were taught that that was an improper translation. That's where the confusion was. It was wrong and right at the same time. Also I was just a kid so the confusion was collosal.
Back in 1995-96 I sent Martindale a list of songs in the Sing Along The Way that contained lyrics that contradicted the doctrines held by TWI at the time since they were so anal about accuracy in their publications and public teachings. He thanked me. But nothing ever came of it.
In order to get permission to publish some of the songs in the book, they have to be printed as the copyright holder requests. In the singing of some of those songs, the congregation supplies the "accurate" word or phrase. However, in many of them, the words or phrases are not changed. Which begs the question...
Are they really concerned with accuracy?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
How can it be "harmful" spiritually to sit and listen to doctrines from "other" sources, yet not harmful to mindlessly sing the same doctrines in their songs?
As I recall, the song "Family of God" was one of the ones that DID get yanked from Sing Along the Way. Then they started publishing the brown covered book instead of the blue one.
It happened before my time in TWI. It was sometime in the early '80s, but I heard a lot about it when I took PFAL - specifically that the author had ordered it removed for some reason.
Speaking of parodies, in the brown covered book, there was a song I liked called, "Standing on Solid Ground" which bore a TWI copyright. My daughter (8 years old at that time) used to sing it, "Standing on coffee grounds..." to her own parodied words. One night she sang it for the Twig that way. They all got a kick out of it. At least some within TWI could take a joke.
I think it's fairly well agreed upon that he's absent in some ways and present in others. He's my lord. Can't wait to see him standing in front of me, though.
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Raf
EXCELLENT!
He's in the world today... so much for being ABSENT!
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Dot Matrix
Good points!!!!!
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Goey
I bet when the WayGB sees this and reports back to HQ that this song will be removed from the Sing Along the Way.
Or like some others they could just change the lyrics to make it "accurate" . Maybe something like this:
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They Care!
I serve the Board of Trustees
They watch me everyday
I know they love and care for me
Whatever folks may say
I see their tender kindess
So I will never stray
From all that they have taught me
Along their narrow way
(Chorus)
They care! They care!
I know they care for me.
I send them all my money
I'm happy as can be.
They care, They care!
With knowing eyes they see.
They're serving me with all their heart
Hail to the Bee Oh Tee!
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JustThinking
Goey,
That is SUPERB! Out of words...laughing too hard...must breath...
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outandabout
"He's the head of the church for crying outloud."
LOL good one
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krys
It seems to me that somewhere quite some time ago we had a thread entitles "50 Ways to Leave TWI"
Does anyone remember it, or know where it may be?
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Did anyone ever hear words from Jesus? As far as I know, he never spoke directly to me like I'm speaking to you now. Of course, I could have been distracted or not listening. I could be spiritually bankrupt.
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Goey
Oldies Posted and asked:
Oldies, did you ever directly hear any non-human "voice" speaking to you like I am speaking to you now? -- If so, did the voice specifically say, "Oldies, This is God speaking..." as oppossed to, "This is Jesus speaking ..."
Oldies, I wouldn't be too terribly concerned. It is doubtful that the absence of hearing voices is an accurate indicator of "spiritual bankruptcy".
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Nottawayfer
How does God talk to you? It's different and personal for each person.
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No Way
someone needs to make a parody song about SIT.
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WordWolf
We had posted about 8 of the "50 ways to leave your waybrain".
I saw it in the middle of an unrelated thread, but I can find them
eventually. (I jotted them down somewhere around here....)
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JustThinking
At an AC in the 80s, several of us asked this question of the staff. Johnny Townsend came out before a session and said, essentially, we know some of them aren't accurate but it's the best we have. If someone would like to write hymns, let us know. "If you're going to complain, offer to help fix it."
No one did it seems as they are still there.
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MCarroll
We got a different answer back in residence when somebody asked the same question. We were told that although they knew that some of the songs were not "accurate" that since Dr was suct a sentimentalist, that he wanted to keep these songs because it reminded him of his old days in the church growing up. He did manage to change some of the lyrics to some of the songs, once common one is: "Amazing Grace"
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Georgio Jessio
wow haha. This one always bothered me, starting at about age 5:
I've been redeemed by the blood of the lamb
I've been set free by the SON OF MAN
all my sins are washed away
I've been redeemed.
Who is the SON OF MAN? What is SON OF MAN supposed to mean? God wasn't a man!
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WordWolf
Well, GJ,
you'll have to take that one up with Jesus.
It the Bible is to be believed, that's what he called himself.
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WaywardWayfer
They would have to take out half the songs in the Sing Along the Way book if they only put in ones that supported their doctrine.
I remember at one time during the LCM era I actually wished they would take all the ones about Jesus out. I thought it was idolatrous to sing most of those songs. How sick is that?
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Georgio Jessio
Yes wordwolf I realise that, but we were taught that that was an improper translation. That's where the confusion was. It was wrong and right at the same time. Also I was just a kid so the confusion was collosal.
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Raf
I don't remember ever being taught that was an improper translation.
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Back in 1995-96 I sent Martindale a list of songs in the Sing Along The Way that contained lyrics that contradicted the doctrines held by TWI at the time since they were so anal about accuracy in their publications and public teachings. He thanked me. But nothing ever came of it.
In order to get permission to publish some of the songs in the book, they have to be printed as the copyright holder requests. In the singing of some of those songs, the congregation supplies the "accurate" word or phrase. However, in many of them, the words or phrases are not changed. Which begs the question...
Are they really concerned with accuracy?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
How can it be "harmful" spiritually to sit and listen to doctrines from "other" sources, yet not harmful to mindlessly sing the same doctrines in their songs?
Buncha hypocritical mindless idiots
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def59
Jesus talked to Paul on the road to Damascus.
Also, remember the song "Family of God"
"I'm so glad I'm a part of the family of God."
Well, the part where we sing "joint-heirs with Christ as we travel the way" according to our song books should have said
'joint-heirs with Jesus as we travel this sod,"
then it rhymes with the family of God on the next line.
the song was written by Bill Gaither. It is a cool song when sung his way and not twi's!
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CKnapp3
This begs the next question: Why are we waiting for His return if He is in fact NOT absent?
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red
I was always confused by all that too.
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Steve Swenton
As I recall, the song "Family of God" was one of the ones that DID get yanked from Sing Along the Way. Then they started publishing the brown covered book instead of the blue one.
It happened before my time in TWI. It was sometime in the early '80s, but I heard a lot about it when I took PFAL - specifically that the author had ordered it removed for some reason.
Speaking of parodies, in the brown covered book, there was a song I liked called, "Standing on Solid Ground" which bore a TWI copyright. My daughter (8 years old at that time) used to sing it, "Standing on coffee grounds..." to her own parodied words. One night she sang it for the Twig that way. They all got a kick out of it. At least some within TWI could take a joke.
Just a thought...
Steve.
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Raf
Touche, CKnapp.
I think it's fairly well agreed upon that he's absent in some ways and present in others. He's my lord. Can't wait to see him standing in front of me, though.
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