I almost never buy them, but I rarely ever have anyway. We had a tradition of buying them once a year for stocking stuffers, which I still did while in TWI (double whammy devil spirits for that one - LOL).
I have never bought a lottery ticket, and probably never will --- but that's just cause I don't want to, and has nothing to do with whether or not it is *spiritually wrong*. If you want to spend your money on tickets, go ahead. I've got other things that I waste my money on! :D-->
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I remember in the Way when it came to people buying lottery tickets or any kind of ticket for that matter that involved winning any amount of money it was definitely frowned upon.
You brought something to mind Cowgirl, that I haven't thought of for years. Anyone else besides me remember the *lottery* (woops -- I mean raffle) that twi held at the rock back in the late 70's, and the winner got a Harley motorcycle??
I know it was a "raffle" -- but isn't that the same thing as a lottery (in principal)? -->
Twi *raffle* consisted of:
1) Folks spent their money on a ticket;
2) A drawing was held;
3) One person walked away (rode away) with the prize.
MANY, MANY, MANY years ago.....okay, so @ 1990.....I was having a private conversation with a man whom I considered to be a dear and cherished friend. He also happened to be a member of the twi safety department....and known to be a *blue box* lurker here at Greasespot.
Donna Martindale had BEEN ON THE RAG, about gambling, lotteries, etc. This guy and I were drinking coffee and discussing the "things of God as we knew them."
I innocently asked......what do you think would happen if a twi follower won the BIG ONE.....a really big lottery?
He looked at me straight in the eyes and said............................................................................
................
"IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MUCH OF IT THEY ABUNDANTLY SHARED."
He looked at me straight in the eyes and said............................................................................
................
"IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MUCH OF IT THEY ABUNDANTLY SHARED."
Do I really need to say anymore?
Radar -- no, you don't. :(--> Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver. I can just see twi breaking their backs to sell out too if enough money was headed for their pockets.
TWI would suck blood from a tic if the WOG told them too and told them it was blessed blood. "The Prevailing Truth" and all. Course a lot of them don't need to, they're sucking blood from their families. Family dies, they inherit their dough and then they tuck it away, use it to buy a house or just sit on it and don't tell anyone. It won't matter though, within a couple generations it'll be gone, they'll have done nothing to contribute to it and all that will remain will be a stack of boxes in the Way Barn that someone will be going through someday and wondering if their old clothes will fit them.
I've never really bothered to buy any. But I do remember the rants about how evil/tainted any lottery money would be. I believe lcm ranted about how most people who win big have their lives destroyed cuz of debil spirits attached to the money. Never heard any chapter and verse as to why that would be the case. go figure
Ya know, while I was reading this thread I was thinking, "That's what they SAY, but if someone did play, won big and ABS'd off of it, THEN it would be okay, JUST THIS ONE TIME." Then lo and behold, I read Radar's post -->
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He looked at me straight in the eyes and said............................................................................
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"IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MUCH OF IT THEY ABUNDANTLY SHARED."
dmiller, I believe in TWI II that raffles, investing in the stock market, bingo and other similar games were verboten, considered devilish and just as bad as playing the lottery. I could be wrong, but I'm sure someone will correct me if that's the case.
I'm almost positive I remember hearing a rant about little old ladies gambling away thier social security funds in stupid bingo halls. I know that one couple in our area refused to buy raffle tickets for a school fundraiser for some children in our branch.
I thought about buying a lottery ticket a few times but I was afraid I might actually win and then get in trouble for it. LOL! No sense in buying a ticket if you DON'T want to win. I don't buy them now, but if I ever got the urge to I would without batting an eyelash.
I once did a research paper on gambling and ever since have felt personally against. It's something I don't do but I also learned along time ago that there are things that I don't allow in my life but other people allow in thier lives and who am I to say I am better.
One of my employees gave me some instant lottery tickets for Christmas. My wife and I actually had a blast scraping them off (and winning five dollars!! ) Nice of him to think of me and get them for me.
I haven't cashed the winning ticket in yet but will someday.
I travel to Vegas once every two years on biz and usually stay in one of the casinos. I do blow a roll of nickles everytime I go on a slot machine just to get the urge to gamble out. I found some penny slot machines on the strip while I was there and blew around $.30 cents. I was up around $.40 cents at one point.
So I guess my Vegas trip makes me somewhat hypocritical.
I am sure I mixed my slot winnings at home in my giant coin bank. Does this mean that there are some Debil spirits buried deep in my bank? Maybe I need an exorcist or an investment banker
I have heard Donna Martindale teach, preach, lecture (pontificate?) about the evils of gambling on many occasions.
Twi takes their premise from LIFESTYLE OF A BELIEVER, in which that gambling is a sin because it brings complete benefit to one at the cost of total loss to all others....or something like that. I don't happen to have my copy close enough to research it for you;)-->
The lottery has been described as a tax on people who are bad at math.
In point of fact, if you were given the choice of getting either a gift of $100 cash. Or $1million with the requirement that you had to gamble the entire $1million on the lottery and take all your winnings and do the same the next day and then do it again every day for 30 days .....
You'd come out ahead by taking the $100.
I think I got this and the corresponding calculations from MotleyFool.com
Wrong question, Ex. The right question is how can you be sure to BE the one who wins. The answer is you can't.
Humans have evolved to be pretty bad at judging risk/probability. But with the lottery there's something else at play. One reason it appeals overwhelmingly to poor people is that if you feel like you have no chance at a good future (and more poor people feel that way then middle class) then your future FEELS just as bad if you waste $5 a week on the lottery or if you don't. So it doesn't feel like there's much of a downside. And the upside (however unlikely) FEELS great.
However if you feel like you're moving up in life - especially if you feel like it's because of effort you're putting out, then you'll be less likely to waste money on something that has a poor probability of paying off.
Just another example of how those who make their decisions by emotion are more easily exploited.
Your odds of winning the lottery are zero if you don't play. They're essentially the same if you do! Take the Texas Lotto (Please)! Originally, you picked six numbers out of fifty. This made the odds against you almost sixteen million to one. When people were starting to catch wise and quit buying tickets, the lottery commission raised the payouts, but also added five numbers, so now the odds are almost THIRTY million to one against. The radio ads always say something like: "There were twenty thousand winners in last week's lotto." They don't mention that most of those were two-dollar winners and that there were twenty MILLION losers. Our governor at the time the lottery was insituted "Queen" Anne Richards, touted how wonderful it would be to help schools. How much better it would have been if people had just given their money to the schools instead of the lotto! (Of course, the smarter people get, the less they play the lotto, anyway.)
Out There, how many tickets did your friend give you? If it was more than five, you would have been better off being handed the money.
If you have to gamble, you might pick something with a better probability of winning. Slots probably aren't a good choice, thoughI imagine the odds an those are in the thousands to one range. Most casino games have a reasonable cost-to-benefit ratio. If you play roulette and play even-or-odd, you only give up a little. (The payout is 2:1, but because of 0 and 00, the odds against winning are 2.13:1.)
The commercials for the lottery in CA used to say "And it helps our schools." Now they never say that anymore and there is nothing to indicate that the schools get anything from the lottery, even though that was one of the original incentives to get people to vote it in.
Personally, I don't buy lottery tickets much. I think it's mostly a rip-off. People say, "Well, SOMEBODY will win and it could be me."
But, like the odds meNtioned above, that is very very very unlikely. I think a lot of it is magical thinking on the parts of people.
"I just KNOW that it will be ME that will win. I just FEEL it."
Not that I hold it against anybody if they want to buy a lottery ticket. At work, a few times I went in on a group thing. One time, as a group, we won a whole $1. The guy who organized the ticket buy gave it to me.
So I guess I can say I've won in the lottery. yuck yuck yuck
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Abigail
I almost never buy them, but I rarely ever have anyway. We had a tradition of buying them once a year for stocking stuffers, which I still did while in TWI (double whammy devil spirits for that one - LOL).
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My husband and I occasionally purchased lottery tickets while in TWI.
Just one more secret.
I purchase then occasionally still.
Had a winner a couple of weeks ago.
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I buy lottery tickets when I feel lucky.....unfortunatly (sp) I never win...
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I won two thousand dollars on a lottery ticket...there were no deebil spirits attached to any of that money...
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I have never bought a lottery ticket, and probably never will --- but that's just cause I don't want to, and has nothing to do with whether or not it is *spiritually wrong*. If you want to spend your money on tickets, go ahead. I've got other things that I waste my money on!
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You brought something to mind Cowgirl, that I haven't thought of for years. Anyone else besides me remember the *lottery* (woops -- I mean raffle) that twi held at the rock back in the late 70's, and the winner got a Harley motorcycle??
I know it was a "raffle" -- but isn't that the same thing as a lottery (in principal)?
-->
Twi *raffle* consisted of:
1) Folks spent their money on a ticket;
2) A drawing was held;
3) One person walked away (rode away) with the prize.
4) Everyone else lost all they put into it.
State sponsored *lottery* consists of:
1) Folks spend their money on a ticket;
2) A drawing is held;
3) One person walks away with the prize.
4) Everyone else loses all they put into it.
What is the difference??
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MANY, MANY, MANY years ago.....okay, so @ 1990.....I was having a private conversation with a man whom I considered to be a dear and cherished friend. He also happened to be a member of the twi safety department....and known to be a *blue box* lurker here at Greasespot.
Donna Martindale had BEEN ON THE RAG
, about gambling, lotteries, etc. This guy and I were drinking coffee and discussing the "things of God as we knew them."
I innocently asked......what do you think would happen if a twi follower won the BIG ONE.....a really big lottery?
He looked at me straight in the eyes and said............................................................................
................
"IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MUCH OF IT THEY ABUNDANTLY SHARED."
Do I really need to say anymore?
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Radar -- no, you don't.
:(--> Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver. I can just see twi breaking their backs to sell out too if enough money was headed for their pockets.
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TWI would suck blood from a tic if the WOG told them too and told them it was blessed blood. "The Prevailing Truth" and all. Course a lot of them don't need to, they're sucking blood from their families. Family dies, they inherit their dough and then they tuck it away, use it to buy a house or just sit on it and don't tell anyone. It won't matter though, within a couple generations it'll be gone, they'll have done nothing to contribute to it and all that will remain will be a stack of boxes in the Way Barn that someone will be going through someday and wondering if their old clothes will fit them.
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I've never really bothered to buy any. But I do remember the rants about how evil/tainted any lottery money would be. I believe lcm ranted about how most people who win big have their lives destroyed cuz of debil spirits attached to the money. Never heard any chapter and verse as to why that would be the case. go figure
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Ya know, while I was reading this thread I was thinking, "That's what they SAY, but if someone did play, won big and ABS'd off of it, THEN it would be okay, JUST THIS ONE TIME." Then lo and behold, I read Radar's post
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dmiller, I believe in TWI II that raffles, investing in the stock market, bingo and other similar games were verboten, considered devilish and just as bad as playing the lottery. I could be wrong, but I'm sure someone will correct me if that's the case.
I'm almost positive I remember hearing a rant about little old ladies gambling away thier social security funds in stupid bingo halls. I know that one couple in our area refused to buy raffle tickets for a school fundraiser for some children in our branch.
I thought about buying a lottery ticket a few times but I was afraid I might actually win and then get in trouble for it. LOL! No sense in buying a ticket if you DON'T want to win. I don't buy them now, but if I ever got the urge to I would without batting an eyelash.
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I once did a research paper on gambling and ever since have felt personally against. It's something I don't do but I also learned along time ago that there are things that I don't allow in my life but other people allow in thier lives and who am I to say I am better.
One of my employees gave me some instant lottery tickets for Christmas. My wife and I actually had a blast scraping them off (and winning five dollars!! ) Nice of him to think of me and get them for me.
I haven't cashed the winning ticket in yet but will someday.
I travel to Vegas once every two years on biz and usually stay in one of the casinos. I do blow a roll of nickles everytime I go on a slot machine just to get the urge to gamble out. I found some penny slot machines on the strip while I was there and blew around $.30 cents. I was up around $.40 cents at one point.
So I guess my Vegas trip makes me somewhat hypocritical.
I am sure I mixed my slot winnings at home in my giant coin bank. Does this mean that there are some Debil spirits buried deep in my bank? Maybe I need an exorcist or an investment banker
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excathedra
lottery.... i'm still believing
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Smurfie
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I have heard Donna Martindale teach, preach, lecture (pontificate?) about the evils of gambling on many occasions.
Twi takes their premise from LIFESTYLE OF A BELIEVER, in which that gambling is a sin because it brings complete benefit to one at the cost of total loss to all others....or something like that. I don't happen to have my copy close enough to research it for you
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yeah well if the total loss is to all unbelievers, radar dear, who gives a sheet ! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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The lottery has been described as a tax on people who are bad at math.
In point of fact, if you were given the choice of getting either a gift of $100 cash. Or $1million with the requirement that you had to gamble the entire $1million on the lottery and take all your winnings and do the same the next day and then do it again every day for 30 days .....
You'd come out ahead by taking the $100.
I think I got this and the corresponding calculations from MotleyFool.com
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yeah but my3 what about the ONE who wins !!!!
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Humans have evolved to be pretty bad at judging risk/probability. But with the lottery there's something else at play. One reason it appeals overwhelmingly to poor people is that if you feel like you have no chance at a good future (and more poor people feel that way then middle class) then your future FEELS just as bad if you waste $5 a week on the lottery or if you don't. So it doesn't feel like there's much of a downside. And the upside (however unlikely) FEELS great.
However if you feel like you're moving up in life - especially if you feel like it's because of effort you're putting out, then you'll be less likely to waste money on something that has a poor probability of paying off.
Just another example of how those who make their decisions by emotion are more easily exploited.
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$5.00 to the lottery for a poor person. Better than the $35 that twi required you pay.
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Your odds of winning the lottery are zero if you don't play. They're essentially the same if you do! Take the Texas Lotto (Please)! Originally, you picked six numbers out of fifty. This made the odds against you almost sixteen million to one. When people were starting to catch wise and quit buying tickets, the lottery commission raised the payouts, but also added five numbers, so now the odds are almost THIRTY million to one against. The radio ads always say something like: "There were twenty thousand winners in last week's lotto." They don't mention that most of those were two-dollar winners and that there were twenty MILLION losers. Our governor at the time the lottery was insituted "Queen" Anne Richards, touted how wonderful it would be to help schools. How much better it would have been if people had just given their money to the schools instead of the lotto! (Of course, the smarter people get, the less they play the lotto, anyway.)
Out There, how many tickets did your friend give you? If it was more than five, you would have been better off being handed the money.
If you have to gamble, you might pick something with a better probability of winning. Slots probably aren't a good choice, thoughI imagine the odds an those are in the thousands to one range. Most casino games have a reasonable cost-to-benefit ratio. If you play roulette and play even-or-odd, you only give up a little. (The payout is 2:1, but because of 0 and 00, the odds against winning are 2.13:1.)
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it sure seems to me like the more in favor of tithing a church is
the more vehemently they preach against the sin of gambling
i've been told that this is bull shot
but nobody paid me to post it
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That line about "the lottery helps the schools!" is a HUUUUGE lie.
Let's say the schools budget is $10 Million.
Let's say the lottery takes in $10 Million.
That money *does* go to the schools.
BUT - the money that *was originally* going to go to the schools now goes somewhere else.
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You should have bought one with all that negative believing working for you!!
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The commercials for the lottery in CA used to say "And it helps our schools." Now they never say that anymore and there is nothing to indicate that the schools get anything from the lottery, even though that was one of the original incentives to get people to vote it in.
Personally, I don't buy lottery tickets much. I think it's mostly a rip-off. People say, "Well, SOMEBODY will win and it could be me."
But, like the odds meNtioned above, that is very very very unlikely. I think a lot of it is magical thinking on the parts of people.
"I just KNOW that it will be ME that will win. I just FEEL it."
Not that I hold it against anybody if they want to buy a lottery ticket. At work, a few times I went in on a group thing. One time, as a group, we won a whole $1. The guy who organized the ticket buy gave it to me.
So I guess I can say I've won in the lottery. yuck yuck yuck
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